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Is he just not that into me? Crush. Be honest. I can take it!

67 replies

bougainvillaeax · 03/04/2019 23:30

Long time poster, NC. I posted in 90 days only back in January. Sorry, I sound like a gushing teenager below. As in, a fifteen year old texting a friend about her crush. I promise I am not a teenager. Please indulge me briefly.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/ninety_days_only/3482564-Help-me-interpret-a-hot-and-cold-crush-Relatively-meagre-amount-of-interaction

The sole respondent had some good advice, which I took!

Since then we’ve seen each other a few more times. You know that thing where you know someone likes you. I know he does!

Most recently i was back where he works and it was a slow day so we spent a couple of hours talking again, and covered that I would likely stay in his country for at least another three and hopefully more months (depending on the authorities in that country); he asked me whether I’d go for citizenship after that and I flatly said no. We walked back to his car together after he had finished his shift. I mentioned that I likely wouldn’t be back at his institution for various reasons (though as said I’d still be in the area for the at least the above timespan). In all honesty the reasons to not return to the institution were true; but I also wondered whether it would draw his hand and see whether he wanted to keep in contact or ask me out. He offered me a lift; even though I only lived a short walk up the road, and said it was hardly worth a lift, he was pleased when I accepted it. When we got to my destination and just before I got out of the car there was just this pause where I felt he maybe wasn’t going to say anything. So I said ‘Will we keep in touch?’, so he said quite defensively, again in that manner of a slight fear of ‘I know you might reject this about me’: ‘Well I only have email, I don’t have a phone or anything like that, so if that’s okay... do you have a good memory, or are you going to write it down?’ I said (I thought this was a lightbulb moment for me as he could initiate contact if he wanted to in that traditional gender role manner!) I’d write down my email address for him and he just had that look again - it sounds like I’m overinterpreting it (admittedly I might be!) but I feel he almost sets me mini tests, and when I fail them he has this look and demeanour, like, yeah, I knew you’d do that/an air of slightly sarcastic ‘ok then’. (As per my 90-day thread). By which I mean, I interpret it that he took it as proof of my not being sufficiently interested, or of not going about things in the right way, vs my taking his email address.

After that I asked him to read out my email address and made a show of making double sure he could read my handwriting. (It’s an actual possibility he doesn’t have a phone, as that is consistent with some of his other choices and values).

That was a month ago this Thursday Sad

He spent a lot of the time we were talking telling me about how busy he was this month - honestly showing off a bit (in a nice way) about all the new roles he had been asked to take on.

He works at a couple of other institutions in town as he was keen to tell me.

I don’t know what to do now. I feel deep down he really likes me. I normally convince myself of the opposite but there’s just something about him/it. He has always been almost obsessively honest about his shortcomings (not self depracating, but almost laying out his stall clearly from day 1 - almost like he was always giving me ample opportunity to reject him at each stage, if that makes any sense).

I also think he is terribly sensitive and self protective.

One thing that came up in conversation this last time is he is a little bit older than I thought he was and he was clearly worried about telling me. He in hindsight alluded strongly to that in our second ever conversation five months ago.

Is it:

  1. He’s just not that into me
I guess that means our conversations and his flirting were a way to pass the time for him?
  1. He is and I need to wait out an email
  2. He is and won’t contact me because he thinks I’m ambivalent/I just want to be friends/think he’s too old? He doesn’t actually know I’m very close to his age.
  3. He is and because of the fact we met through the institution he won’t contact me?
  4. He was interested but has changed his mind?

My options are to visit one of the other institutions he works at - he showed me a file of the things he is working on for a program he is developing there; or go back to the original institution, though I feel this latter would be a bad move given what I’d already said about returning. As regards the former, I don’t want to make a fool of myself if this thread draws the consensus that it would be. It’s a major institution though and he knows I regularly visit ones of that type, so I have a legitimate reason to be there, if only once.

One other slight thing that concerned me is that he doesn’t ask me too much about myself; I don’t know whether that was again self protective on his behalf, or that I talk about myself quite a lot anyway Blush. Or that he didn’t want to be intrusive, which is a genuine possibility as one thing I like about him is that he has good boundaries, if that makes sense.

I always thought if a man likes you he will find a way to seek you out and spend more time with you. I am 50/50 as to whether he simply doesn’t like me enough to do that; or, he suspects me of ambivalence and seeking only friendship, and he doesn’t want to get hurt.

I suspect you all will have a clear reader of this!

Thank you for getting to the end of my saga!

OP posts:
Fuckedoffat48b · 04/04/2019 07:59

It sounds like he could be interested but not enough to be bothered with you, so what's the point?

BayandBlonde · 04/04/2019 08:11

You sound like an obsessive stalker.

He is probably asking all the questions about staying in the country and citizenship because he can't wait for you to go.

Leave him be and stop paying to creep around at his workplace

Chocolatecoffeeaddict · 04/04/2019 08:18

I think he's attached or even married. Maybe that was why he didn't give you a phone number only an email address. It's more non committal ifkwim. I don't think he's interested anyway.

SouthernComforts · 04/04/2019 08:22

You managed to twist a few polite conversations between an employee and a customer into some kind of love story Confused. Is this 'institution' somewhere people normally pay to get into multiple times? Or would you turning up repeatedly be unusual? It all sounds odd tbh. Move on.

Drogosnextwife · 04/04/2019 08:27

*Don't follow him to other places to see him. It's creepy.
Stop making up ideas in your head of reasons he hasn't made a move. He's not afraid of rejection or anything else.

He's simply not interested.*

Sorry OP but I have to agree with this. Your behaviour sounds pretty stalkerish.

crimsonlake · 04/04/2019 08:50

I say this kindly but if you are obsessing to this degree about someone who you have only had minimal contact with you really need a reality check. Do you have many friends, do you socialise with other people? If not try and get out, join some clubs, volunteer. Forget about this man, live your life in the real world and not in your head.

ellesbellesxxx · 04/04/2019 08:55

I got to the point when I was single of using Jack Burger from Sex and the City’s advice to Miranda... if a guy likes you, he is coming up stairs and booking the next date.. there are no mixed messages. Certainly when I met my now husband it was true, we made a date, we met up and made another date, it was easy.
Hope that you can move on from this and chalk it up to experience Flowers

SilverySurfer · 04/04/2019 09:07

The fact that he has not e-mailed you must tell you the answer to your question. Him asking about your plans and whether you would be staying is surely just part of polite conversation.

Stop stalking him.

PointlessUsername · 04/04/2019 09:16

Where is it he works?, what did you have to pay to enter?.

It sounds like he was just being friendly.

Why didnt you just take his email address?

Ididalwayswonder · 04/04/2019 09:25

I've just read your OP. I really don't think that he is as complicated as you make out. He is not setting you any tests, although I can imagine your behaviour is testing his patience.

Please OP, get out of fantasy land. You will only get hurt Sad

Adversecamber22 · 04/04/2019 09:27

What’s your relationship history like? You are either very inexperienced which means it’s a learning curve and we all hopefully learn by our mistakes or there is a pattern. If this is a pattern you desperately need to do some work and not get in to a repeating pattern obsessing over nothing.

You feel you shared quite deep things with him, all you had were a few short conversations. You do sound obsessive and if someone over shares with me I am wary of them.

Plus Your comment on him setting you mini tests, it’s either your interpretation is incorrect or he is setting mini tests and if he is then he sounds awful.

Huskylover1 · 04/04/2019 09:42

Way too much angst, over someone you hardly know. Are you always so over invested?

He sounds married to me, no way does he not have a phone!!

Yossarian22 · 04/04/2019 09:47

Sorry OP , no he’s not interested, don’t cling on to this. The best you can take from this episode is that you can feel this way about someone. Onwards and upwards.

Springisallaround · 04/04/2019 09:54

Who does not have a phone in this day and age? If they don't then that's deliberate- they don't want to be accessible or accountable to anyone. He has your email, he hasn't used it, he likes chatting to you if you turn up but he isn't going to pursue it.

Get the book 'He's just not that into you' and read it 10 times. It saved my lovely friend after years and years of trying to interpret hot/cold/avoidant behaviour in men, she realised if they were into her, they would be really straighforward and seeking her out and that all this energy on no-hopers stops you meeting someone else. She met her lovely husband a few weeks later- and you know what, he was totally into her from the start!

Good luck, OP, I hope this is a learning curve. Even if you wangled a date with this guy which is unlikely, he'd be uninterested in driving this forward, it's an absolute dead duck- which is good news as it frees you up to meet someone much more suitable.

Lllot5 · 04/04/2019 09:56

This sounds like so much hard work. Most people have phones now. I’ve even got one and I’m old and boring. I don’t think he’s interested sorry.

Connieston · 04/04/2019 10:18

I'm sorry to say I agree he just isn't interested. He's been polite and clearly likes you but if there was the spark of something more you'd really know by now. If you can't stay away then ask him bluntly if he's interested.

Thingsdogetbetter · 04/04/2019 10:24

Op you are describing every 'relationship' I have had with bar staff at my local pub. Except I haven't created a big love fantasy in my head. He's not interested and you need to develop boundaries as chasing a man who has just been chatty during his working day is being to look stalky. Can you imagine if the genders were reversed? A man turning up constantly at work, initiating intimate conversations, giving email address to a virtual stranger etc??

NotDavidTennant · 04/04/2019 10:37

Are you familiar with the concept of limerance? I think that is what you're experience here.

Jiggles101 · 04/04/2019 11:57

Agree he sounds like hard work and a pain in the arse - mini tests, defensiveness and stroppiness? Nope!

Also, he's not that into you.

IvanaPee · 04/04/2019 12:07

You’ve made a huge deal out of a couple of polite exchanges.

It’s actually quite bizarre to read.

He wasn’t your therapist or anything was he??

Honestly, OP. There’s nothing there. I’m sorry.

Are you always this...intense?

Milliy · 04/04/2019 12:36

You have basically chased him. He's not asked you out. He's not interested. Everything else is irrelevant. Is he married?

managedmis · 04/04/2019 12:40

Give the op a frigging break, she gets it!

IvanaPee · 04/04/2019 12:41

Give the op a frigging break, she gets it!

How do you know? She’s barely posted. Confused

GraceMarks · 04/04/2019 13:56

Another vote here for "probably married". What is this institution you keep mentioning? It's a strange way of describing it when you could just say museum, library, gallery etc... I would have thought of a university or something if it wasn't somewhere that you apparently have to pay to get into.

I hope you're not feeling like this is a pile-on, OP, but you really need to listen to what people here are telling you and stop agonising over every little detail of his utterances and facial expressions. Why do you want him to be interested anyway, he sounds really unappealing to me?

SilverySurfer · 04/04/2019 18:08

Agree he sounds like hard work and a pain in the arse

How can you possibly come to such an absurd conclusion? He sounds like he is a polite person who is happy to have a chat with people who visit his 'institution' but nowhere is there evidence that he has expressed the slightest interest in anything further - that's all in the OP's imagination.