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Justified Feeling Like This?

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SuperTed75 · 16/03/2019 10:02

Hi all,
Sorry, but this is going to be a long post. I hope you can all read it and give objective thoughts and advice. So, I’ve never done anything like this before but I need to reach out to someone.

I’ve been with my wife for 12 years now, 9 of those years married. We have two kids under 8. A few months ago I found messages on my wifes phone to a male work colleague of hers. These messages contained rants about her work day (fair enough), jokes about how one creepy guy fancies her (I took that as office joking) but there was also messages of a very sexual nature from my wife and personal messages about our marriage and my health. These weren’t the occasional messages, they were almost every day.

The messages of a sexual nature mostly started from my wife, she talked about her sexual preferences, when we’d last had sex, her past sexual experiences, how good she was with her tongue, about fantasies I may have…. I’m sure you get the picture. There were messages from him asking questions about them and he’d push for info on whether she’d had a threesome and whether she’s been with another woman.

The messages about me were mostly putting me down, things like, oh he’s in a mood again (when actually I wasn’t), she told him I was on antidepressants and called me broken! Yeah, seriously!

Now, hands up, I’m not a talker and find it difficult to talk about me, I never told her I went on antidepressants but I’m a private person and the normal solution of just dealing with my issues myself wasn’t working, so I reached out to my doctor and they put me on the meds. I was never suicidal or anything, just, life got a bit crap. So I know it wasn’t nice to not tell my wife, but I told nobody (except the doc).

My wife had been on her phone a lot and to make a point of this I casually started asking her “who’s that?” and she’d tell me a name but she never mentioned this guy.

When I mentioned that I’d seen some of the messages from this guy she just brushed it off as he’s a friend and it was just banter. I asked her what she thought constituted banter and she handed over her phone for me to read all the messages. As I read more and more out to her, I could see the look on her face of “oh crap” and she went, that’s enough and took the phone back. I said I was uncomfortable with the messages she’s sending and asked her to stop. She said she would.

Roll on a month, guess what, she was still sending those kind of messages, so she lied to me (she didn’t know I knew at this point I’d seen the recent messages). We had a chat, I asked her why she’s spending so much time messaging and did she still message that guy, she said she did. I asked her what the content of the text were and she said just rants about work. I asked her to show me and she flat out refused. I asked her how often they messaged, she said occasionally, I said every day isn’t occasionally. So I felt she lied and was hiding something.

When I walked behind her at one time, she minimised the screen on her phone and she saw I saw, couldn’t help myself, so I maximised the screen and she was messaging him. Again, if there is nothing to hide, why the lies and secrecy?

At this point, I asked her to stop messaging him completely, I was uncomfortable with it and how close she was getting. She was not happy but told me she had. Two days later, she admitted she’d been messaging him again! I said, again, she needs to stop and the next day she said she’s told him that I’d said she couldn’t message him anymore and they’d only speak at work about work. She told me she’d deleted him.

What would you know, she hadn’t deleted him, she’d only deleted the previous messages, she’d kept his number. I know this because when I walked over to see her, her phone was unlocked and there in front of me were messages to him! She said she never though she had to delete his number and yeah, she’d started messaging him again because I was in the wrong to ask her to stop.

Now, I feel lied to, I feel betrayed, I feel hurt and I feel I can’t trust her. I’ve never had an issue with her going out, doing what she wanted when she wanted, never had an issue with her speaking to work colleagues until this.

She says I’m controlling her, but again, I’ve never stopped her doing anything and I’m asking her to stop messaging one person because I’m uncomfortable with it and how close she got. That to me isn’t controlling. For me, it’s now more of an issue for her because she’s not getting her own way for once.

I know she wants me to talk more and I’m trying, I’ve apologised for being closed off but she always seems to put work first and if I ever did want to talk she’d always want to finish off her work first.

So I guess, does it sound like I’m being unreasonable in asking her to stop texting this work colleague?

For me she was either in or on the very border of an emotional affair, at the very minimum she didn’t just cross the line, she went well beyond it.

Am I justified in feeling lied to?
Justified in feeling hurt?
Justified in being mistrustful and asking her to stop messaging him?

She says she understands that she shared too much information but on the other hand, she doesn’t see what she’s done wrong! She feels it’s ok to share information, it’s ok to slag me off to her friends and discuss our marriage problems and my health. I say it’s not.

Any thoughts or questions?

OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 16/03/2019 11:36

Yes you're justified
She's really betrayed your trust. Would you consider marriage counselling to help you both or are you feeling like you want to end the relationship? Must be shit Flowers

H0wt0kn0w · 16/03/2019 11:39

yes you're justified!!

But you talk about being a private person. I think that being a private person doesn't extend to not telling your wife! I think she is craving intimacy. This isn't to minimise. Just to give you a headsup.

AnotherEmma · 16/03/2019 11:41

She is having an emotional affair and she has the cheek to say that she's not doing anything wrong! Even without the sexual messages (which are most definitely crossing the line) the volume and frequency of messages to a colleague are inappropriate.

I'm sorry to say that based on her appalling attitude, I think you should seriously consider ending the relationship. She has shown huge disrespect for you and she isn't even sorry.

There is a book people often recommend called "more than just friends" which you might find helpful?

H0wt0kn0w · 16/03/2019 11:41

I understand why you feel betrayed but now she feels defensive, probably feels ''driven'' to looking for intimacy because you are a private person. Maybe try opening up the dialogue again but this time start with ''i understand that me being so private must be lonely for you...''' and see if you have better luck meeting in the middle. if you can't communicate, you can't communicate. Not everybody is suited to being in a relationship.

ElspethFlashman · 16/03/2019 11:46

Of course you're justified! Jesus! If my husband was having any sexual talk with a colleague I'd go postal! And if he then refused to stop? Or lied about stopping? I'd be talking about solicitors tbh.

At the very least you two need marriage counselling. You need to find a safe space to talk, you're not a talker fair enough, but not being able to tell your spouse you're on anti-ds is a bit of a red flag there is a massive communication issue. It may be you don't like drawing attention to yourself, it may be she escapes conversation by working, but neither is healthy for a marriage and needs sorting.

But ultimately she is massively unreasonable and it's a massive deal breaker for me.

AnotherEmma · 16/03/2019 11:49

@H0wt0kn0w
Maybe you missed this
"I know she wants me to talk more and I’m trying, I’ve apologised for being closed off but she always seems to put work first and if I ever did want to talk she’d always want to finish off her work first."
His wife should have asked him to make more effort to communicate instead of exchanging sexual messages with a male colleague FFS!

Wouldyouorshouldyou · 16/03/2019 12:17

Yes your justified. She's lying to you and she's done it continually. How can you trust her after this? Your not controlling her your asking your wife to stop emotionally cheating on you and invest in you her husband. I can see nothing wrong with that!

She's walking all over you op. Where is her respect for you?

Lozzerbmc · 16/03/2019 13:45

Yes you are totally justified in feeling as you do; she should not contact that colleague any longer- completely inappropriate for her to do that!
Perhaps some counselling would help the marriage?

Needsomebottle · 16/03/2019 13:48

They're both overstepping. More so your partner but him too. I have a male colleague who I get on with really well. We don't really talk intimate stuff (well at all) occasionally have a small moan about partners but not much. Always text about work really, and a shared interest. His wife wasn't happy. There's no feelings between us, nothing at all inappropriate about the texts but we stopped. Cos that's respectful to her. We just talk at work now. It hasn't affected our friendship but she is his number one priority and I bear absolutely no grudge about that and in fact told him I'd stop without him asking. My DH wasn't concerned, but that doesn't matter. She was. She should show you that respect.

Littleraindrop15 · 16/03/2019 13:59

I would seriously be reconsidering ending the relationship..

SuperTed75 · 16/03/2019 14:50

Hi all. Thank you for the replies.

It's nice to know i'm not over reacting and i am justified in asking her to stop the messaging.

She wont have it though, in her eyes they are just friends and it's my insecurities. She just seems to keep forgetting the lies she's told.

Lying once and keeping it secret is bad enough but continually lying is a massive no-no.

She wants me to trust her again but then starts messaging him again, i told her we're back to step one and she needs to do her part to help me trust her. I asked her to completely delete him again and she said that was harsh and wont do it.

We are starting marriage counselling but i cant work out if she's being naive, deceitful, stubborn or all of that! How can she not see what she's done is wrong?
How can she be willing to dig her heals in to get her own way on this and to put her "friendship" with him before our marriage?

Again, i know i should have told her i was on meds and i've apologised that i didnt. I know i should have talked to her more and i've said i want to get better at that. I've said i want to do more things together but that takes two of us, so she needs to stop doing so much work in the evenings (she's a teacher).

As a said, i cannot understand how she cant see what's she's done is wrong.

I asked her to tell me about this guy and she couldnt tell me anything, not even his partners name! So he seemed to be savvy enough not to be sharing his details but was happy enough to listen to my wifes!

OP posts:
user1479305498 · 16/03/2019 14:55

You should in my opinion think seriously about ending this. It’s massively not ok

Thatsalovelycuppatea · 16/03/2019 15:36

I wouldn't accept this behaviour. She is clearly after a shag with this guy or attention seeking for some reason. She has disrespected you in the messages and that is so sad.

feska5 · 16/03/2019 15:52

You are definitely not being unreasonable. Her messages to this colleague about your personal life are disgraceful, deeply disrespectful and disloyal to you. She’s clearly enjoying the attention from him. I would be extremely annoyed and very worried if I were you. Her behaviour is absolutely not ok. Very worrying is that she can’t see it’s unacceptable.

feska5 · 16/03/2019 16:05

Sorry OP you asked if you were justified and yes you are absolutely justified to feel the way you do.

SuperTed75 · 16/03/2019 22:46

ok, really dont know what to do. Her stopping messaging him, deleting his number and holding her hands up to what she's done is a deal breaker. I cant move forward until she does that. Trust will never be there until she does that.

Again, i dont understand why she's being so stubborn unless of course, there is more to it than first thought

Has any one been to marriage counselling? What do they talk about and if the counsellor sees that it's clearly one person at fault or obstructing the path to moving forward, do they say something to that person?

I guess i'm hoping they'll see what she's done is completely wrong and they'll tell her that.

OP posts:
Moralitym1n1 · 16/03/2019 22:59

I'd get rid of her tbh.

How would stand financially? I'd discretely visit a solicitor and check that out.

Moralitym1n1 · 16/03/2019 22:59
  • how would you stand
Moralitym1n1 · 16/03/2019 23:03

I guess i'm hoping they'll see what she's done is completely wrong and they'll tell her that.

Why don't you ask.hef how she'd feel if the situation were reversed? If she can't see it then, she's either a sociopath with no empathy or lying (or cares so little for you or the marriage she wouldn't care if you were having an emotional affair with quite a bit if sexual flirtation/sexting).

Moralitym1n1 · 16/03/2019 23:06

I asked her to tell me about this guy and she couldnt tell me anything, not even his partners name!

Or she doesn't want you to know enough to e.g. contact his partner and tell her what he's been up to with your wife (??!!)

SuperTed75 · 16/03/2019 23:07

But it just seems like giving up if i bin it all in. Plus theres the kids. I know you shouldnt stay in a marriage for kids but another complication is she isnt from this country so if we give up and she decides to go back home, thats one hell of a messy battle.

Financially, i'm on an ok wage but she's on more.

Thing is, i've seen messages she's sent to friends and she talks about how she doesnt understand what the problem is and how i think she's sleeping around (i dont believe anything physical has happened) when she wouldnt do that. So unless she's BS'ing her friends, maybe she is just totally oblivious to what she's done.... or i'm just confused and as i said previously, i dont know what to do.

OP posts:
feska5 · 16/03/2019 23:15

So she’s also telling her friends your business. She may not see what the problem is but you do and that should be enough. You are not confused. Her behaviour is unacceptable.

Moralitym1n1 · 16/03/2019 23:16

Giving up or standing up for yourself. Look I was being a bit flippant with the 'get rid of her'friends' but behind it was the genuine feeling Ng that your wife's at the very least an emotional cheater who's acting with no respect for you and your marriage.

If it does come down to separation and divorce, to my understanding, she can't take your kids out of this country. So she's going nowhere unless she gives up custody. (Someone with legal experience might confirm/correct that).

Moralitym1n1 · 16/03/2019 23:20

Perhaps she hasn't been sleeping around but she's being distinctly disingenuous to get friends if she says doesn't understand what he problem is - and presumably she hasn't been truthful to them about the content of the messages between her and her 'colleague' or I think they'd understand what the problem was.

AnyFucker · 16/03/2019 23:21

Don't be such a mug

Bin off the sleazy piece of work

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