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How to respond to twattish ex?

70 replies

Dieu · 21/02/2019 17:28

Hi. I am feeling a bit anxious and uncharacteristically fragile at the moment, so would really appreciate your wisdom and gentleness.
God, where to start. Ok, ex husband and I split up 6 years ago, after being together for 18 years. We have 3 fantastic kids. Reason for the split was his repeated infidelity, and he has been living with the other woman since I eventually threw him out 6 years ago. My place is very much the kids' primary home, and this is where they spend the majority of the time. He has them every second weekend, and twice weekly for dinner (but not to stay). His choice.
Now, here's where it gets a bit sticky. When we were together, I am ashamed to say that it was often a bit 1950s. He worked hard and was a very high earner. I stayed home and did most stuff there. He is a good dad, but didn't get involved with the nitty gritty stuff, like homework. Nothing has changed there, and he is very much the fun parent, while I do the bulk of the 'real' parenting.
When we split, he had a massive guilt complex, which has now dissipated. He insisted on me getting a place with the children, and paying the mortgage and bills etc. I wish to God that I hadn't taken him up on it, and that we'd sold up and gone 50/50. Don't get me wrong, my place will be sold when the children are older, and the assets split. For now however, I have a nice place to live with our children.
It all comes at a cost though, and I wish to God I'd realised it at the time. It's awful. He communicates with me in a strangely formal way, like a bit a boss would to his secretary. He changes his access times (so along the lines of he can't take them on his Friday night, so I'll have to do it) and when I raise an objection, he'll come back with 'aah, but flexibility is to be expected from you, especially considering your generous settlement'. I hate him, and hate what I've become. I loathe being dictated to. I adore my children, but fantasise about upping and leaving, and letting him deal with it all. As far as I'm concerned, I owe him nothing. The break up was down to him, and the financial settlement was his choice. Now that the resentment has crept in, he uses it as a stick to beat me round the head whenever he feels like it. His partner has very limited involvement with our children, and never ever looks after them on her own. He says that they're not her responsibility, but I would have thought it part and parcel of getting involved with someone with kids. If he can't do one of his overnights, then it automatically becomes my responsibility. In fairness, he would only ever cancel because of work commitments, rather than anything personal, but even still ...
Truth is, I don't see how I could manage without him financially. I now work full-time, in an incredibly rewarding and worthwhile job. But the money's not great. The children also keep me busy, as does our small menagerie of pets! I just feel so worn down and weary with it all. My wonderful eldest was recently diagnosed with high functioning autism (he denies it and has told her that he doesn't think she has it Hmm), and a part of me grieves the fact that I will never have a supportive co-parent.
Anyway, he got in touch the other day about a change to his schedule, where I will have to have them on one of his nights. I replied with the suggestion that as this keeps encroaching on my (much needed!) time off, it might be a good idea if he had them one night of his choice every weekend, instead of two every fortnight.
This is the reply:
Good morning. No, that wouldn't work for me, and the arrangements for your generous settlement incorporates accommodation of my significant work commitments. The arrangements have been in place for many years and support healthy and structured time with my children and my partner, which I will safeguard. For reference I have client commitments this Friday. Enjoy your day.

How would you respond to such arrogance? He just doesn't seem to see the absurdity and irony of his situation, in that he left me for another woman, but still needs me to step in for him.
He is very bullish and hard to stand up to. For him, money equals power. He is very intelligent, but lacks much in the way of emotional awareness. It is extremely difficult to get him to understand anything from my point of view (narcissist?).
I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. Please help.

OP posts:
Marlboroandmalbec34 · 21/02/2019 17:34

Hiya. Someone will come along with advice but just wanted to say he sounds an absolute twat!!

Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 21/02/2019 17:35

Ime your reward will be greater than a financial one.
When my dc hit teens they realised df was a useless twunt they dumped him.
Unfortunately your ex does have you by the short and curlies it seems.
Use the time to have a great night with your dc.

mummmy2017 · 21/02/2019 17:35

Go see a solicitor, and see if you can change things.

BatshitCrazyWoman · 21/02/2019 17:36

I have no advice either, but your ex sounds exactly like mine.

Is there anyway you can sell up and at least sort out the housing issue?

HollowTalk · 21/02/2019 17:38

I would just reply with "Don't be so pompous" or "Don't be ridiculous."

I wouldn't expect his partner to have the children, either. They're not her responsibility. It's unfair of him to behave like that but it's nothing to do with her.

HollowTalk · 21/02/2019 17:39

He'll carry on being a twat even if you gave him the house back, so don't act too hastily.

Dirtybadger · 21/02/2019 17:39

Is he talking about the divorce settlement? What does that have to do with childcare arrangements? He didn't pay you to be a flexible nanny.

Does he have court ordered access?

You can't make him his the kids. But if he can't have them on X day, then definitely don't "swap" his days. He gets them when you have agreed-and if he can't have them he should be arranging childcare just like if you needed someone for a few hours mid week. If he's gonna be a twat about it then you can't force him to arrange childcare (hence you will have to have them).

What a twat.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 21/02/2019 17:42

What a pompous arse he is!

Dirtybadger · 21/02/2019 17:42

On re-reading it sounds like he is paying you ever month on top of your divorce settlement? It would be better to allow him to Lord it over you with it. Take the loss and find somewhere independently. You never know when he will just on a whim to stop paying, anyway. I'm assuming he isn't legally obliged to?

Dieu · 21/02/2019 17:43

Thank you, thank you!
I had mentally put my hard hat on, expecting a load of independent, successful women to tell me how pathetic I'd been, and how I'd made my bed ...
Truth is, I have been strong for so many years, and not as submissive as one might think.
A couple of years ago, I would have replied to that message in an utter rage. I'm impressed at my new found self-control, as I haven't even answered it yet Grin
Believe it or not, it is actually written in our settlement that I must have flexibility towards his work commitments. My head was all over the place at that point, and I should have asked my lawyer to refute it. All it's done is open me up to financial and emotional abuse from my ex husband ...

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Dieu · 21/02/2019 17:47

The children's relationship with his partner had never really extended beyond the first initial stage of politeness, etc. They would feel awkward if left alone with her, and vice versa. I find this sad.
And if she has a problem with something they do (I think my daughter once used a bit of her moisturiser in the bathroom without her permission), she'll go to him and ask him to sort it out, rather than approach them directly.

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katmarie · 21/02/2019 17:51

I would consider seeing a solicitor anyway, a lot can change in six years, not least the needs of the children. I would go see an expert who can tell you where you stand and what you can change.

lifebegins50 · 21/02/2019 17:56

He could be my Ex with those phrases, except for the generous settlement as that didn't happen!

You won't be able to force him to choose the children over work and I think it's not worth even trying. He will just say No and then you will feel aggrieved. Zero response is best as why communicate when you know he won't see your point of view. I have learned to never reveal my feelings to Ex, it's just waste of effort.

How old are the children? What are the terms of the financial arrangement I.e is there a timeframe when you have to sell?

He will be the loser over the long term as children appreciate the parent who is there.
Let him prioritise work..its his loss. Find ways to have alternative childcare so you are not beholden to him.
You can't coparent with a narcissist as its unlike a normal breakup. I have the same sadness over my children as I never wanted for them to be hurt by their Dad but I know it will happen. He will always put himself and work ahead of them.

I also suspected Ex had autism but the nasty behaviour was due to his personality disorder.

HollowTalk · 21/02/2019 17:56

I agree re seeing a solicitor.

Have you checked on the child maintenance site how different it would be if you went via them?

How old are your children now?

Dieu · 21/02/2019 18:04

Thank you so much again everyone. Children are 17, 12 & 9.

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ScarletBitch · 21/02/2019 18:19

I would reply back by stating you will not be changing the contact times and if he insists on the settlement against you, you will have no choice but to take it to Family Court where he will be ordered to adhere to the Contact Order or else the Courts will intervene.

Stand up to him. You do not need to put up with it. He cheated, that in itself would of gone against him financially if you were to take him on. He is a priok.

RandomMess · 21/02/2019 18:25

I would go grey rock and start responding "that doesn't work for me" he goes on about the generous settlement you reply "well perhaps it's time to sell up now then"

Ultimately would you be happier in a smaller house without the abuse and arrogance from him?

FizzyGreenWater · 21/02/2019 18:37

Dear Lord Pomposity,

I am truly getting tired of this.

Be careful you don't nip the hand that supports you one too many times. You are getting rather close to that.

I'll say this once. Our arrangement, aka 'My Generous Settlement' isn't one way. You make my life easier financially, I make yours easier personally. It's a two-way deal. You're not my 'meal ticket' - I have a job which brings in my own money, and I have assets in the form of a part of this house which, if I chose to, I could take steps to liquidate. And I've earned every penny of them. Every time you send one of your ridiculously pompous communications, in which you absolutely bust a gut to try and show me just how much in charge you are, I laugh - and then I take one step closer to telling you that I don't think this arrangement is working any more, I take steps to take my money from this house, and I move myself, my career and the children to a place where my finances will work for us to continue without your rather toxic little input.

If I do that, you will be fucked, to put it bluntly. Because while I don't actually need your input, if I decide that I no longer intend to facilitate your whims when it comes to the children, you'll be looking at a massive change in circumstances, and dare I say it, one that won't be very convenient for you. There will be a court order, and defined times, and you'll see them less often, and for longer. And it will go through solicitors, and we will no longer communicate at all.

Up until now, I've put up with your nonsense for the childrens' sake. I'm getting to not feel like that any more, because the more you throw your unpleasant weight around, the less I respect you - and the less I feel that they really benefit from your parenting. You are a very silly man, and getting sillier.

So. This will be the only warning. Stop trying to speak to me as if I'm some sort of cross between the nanny and your secretary. Learn some manners when it comes to discussing childcare arrangements, and I will, as I always have, try and work with you (it's called setting a good example to the children - take note). Or we'll soon be back in court, and I will very happily be looking to move on, and very far away from you.

'Enjoy your day'

:)

pinkfluffybunny · 21/02/2019 18:46

Brilliant FizzyGreenWater. Please email the silly man that response.

StrongerThanIThought76 · 21/02/2019 18:49

Call his bluff.

"Ok you can't have the kids on Friday. Unfortunately I am already booked on a weekend away. Fortunately there is space for the children to join me, and as I am unable (and franky unwilling, due to your constant changes) to return home on Saturday for you to collect them, they will miss your contact this weekend."

If your financial settlement has been signed off, get a contact order sorted outlining his responsibilities and obligations for changes to be agreed mutually.

It might actually cost you a couple of impromptu nights in a Travelodge...

lifebegins50 · 21/02/2019 19:00

I know its tempting to respond but it won't change his mind. He refers to the settlement as he knows it upsets you.
If he is narcisstic then he wants to cause you to react.

The only approach that worked for me with Ex when he kept saying he had no money was " that's so funny, thanks for giving me a laugh".
He didn't like being laughed at so all those comments stopped.
You can't force him through court to have the children, a judge can't order it especially at their ages and your Ex will just give a legitimate business reason.

I would be grateful that he doesn't force the children on his unwilling girlfriend, so many Dads do that irrespective of how the children may feel.

Don't let him have the perceived control over you. He really doesn't have power unless you react. If he drops days get alternative childcare in place. He will soon tire when he realises it has no effect.

Remember he will do the OPPOSITE of what you want...unless it suits him.

catzrulz · 21/02/2019 19:04

Definitely Fuzzy's response.
You have got to send that... especially the "enjoy your day". Pompous twat, time for the worm to turn.

fraggle500 · 21/02/2019 19:07

Please - please send what Fizzy put!!! Smile

7yo7yo · 21/02/2019 19:13

What is the financial settlement?
What are you actually going to get?

Nc1548 · 21/02/2019 20:24

It's not going to change OP, you can get upset or you can enjoy what you have and not give him the pleasure to know he's getting to you.
You could, like many say, sell up and move to a smaller place but I don't think he would change anyway, so you'd be cutting your nose to spite your face, and signing up to a long pointless fight.
If the settlement helps you and the worse he can do is not take the children when he's supposed to have them, personally I'd bite his hand off.
From me the answer would be "Always a pleasure to spend time with my children. Enjoy your day."
You're not being weak, you're doing what is more beneficial for you and the children. Your ex is an idiot but you already knew that.

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