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How to respond to twattish ex?

70 replies

Dieu · 21/02/2019 17:28

Hi. I am feeling a bit anxious and uncharacteristically fragile at the moment, so would really appreciate your wisdom and gentleness.
God, where to start. Ok, ex husband and I split up 6 years ago, after being together for 18 years. We have 3 fantastic kids. Reason for the split was his repeated infidelity, and he has been living with the other woman since I eventually threw him out 6 years ago. My place is very much the kids' primary home, and this is where they spend the majority of the time. He has them every second weekend, and twice weekly for dinner (but not to stay). His choice.
Now, here's where it gets a bit sticky. When we were together, I am ashamed to say that it was often a bit 1950s. He worked hard and was a very high earner. I stayed home and did most stuff there. He is a good dad, but didn't get involved with the nitty gritty stuff, like homework. Nothing has changed there, and he is very much the fun parent, while I do the bulk of the 'real' parenting.
When we split, he had a massive guilt complex, which has now dissipated. He insisted on me getting a place with the children, and paying the mortgage and bills etc. I wish to God that I hadn't taken him up on it, and that we'd sold up and gone 50/50. Don't get me wrong, my place will be sold when the children are older, and the assets split. For now however, I have a nice place to live with our children.
It all comes at a cost though, and I wish to God I'd realised it at the time. It's awful. He communicates with me in a strangely formal way, like a bit a boss would to his secretary. He changes his access times (so along the lines of he can't take them on his Friday night, so I'll have to do it) and when I raise an objection, he'll come back with 'aah, but flexibility is to be expected from you, especially considering your generous settlement'. I hate him, and hate what I've become. I loathe being dictated to. I adore my children, but fantasise about upping and leaving, and letting him deal with it all. As far as I'm concerned, I owe him nothing. The break up was down to him, and the financial settlement was his choice. Now that the resentment has crept in, he uses it as a stick to beat me round the head whenever he feels like it. His partner has very limited involvement with our children, and never ever looks after them on her own. He says that they're not her responsibility, but I would have thought it part and parcel of getting involved with someone with kids. If he can't do one of his overnights, then it automatically becomes my responsibility. In fairness, he would only ever cancel because of work commitments, rather than anything personal, but even still ...
Truth is, I don't see how I could manage without him financially. I now work full-time, in an incredibly rewarding and worthwhile job. But the money's not great. The children also keep me busy, as does our small menagerie of pets! I just feel so worn down and weary with it all. My wonderful eldest was recently diagnosed with high functioning autism (he denies it and has told her that he doesn't think she has it Hmm), and a part of me grieves the fact that I will never have a supportive co-parent.
Anyway, he got in touch the other day about a change to his schedule, where I will have to have them on one of his nights. I replied with the suggestion that as this keeps encroaching on my (much needed!) time off, it might be a good idea if he had them one night of his choice every weekend, instead of two every fortnight.
This is the reply:
Good morning. No, that wouldn't work for me, and the arrangements for your generous settlement incorporates accommodation of my significant work commitments. The arrangements have been in place for many years and support healthy and structured time with my children and my partner, which I will safeguard. For reference I have client commitments this Friday. Enjoy your day.

How would you respond to such arrogance? He just doesn't seem to see the absurdity and irony of his situation, in that he left me for another woman, but still needs me to step in for him.
He is very bullish and hard to stand up to. For him, money equals power. He is very intelligent, but lacks much in the way of emotional awareness. It is extremely difficult to get him to understand anything from my point of view (narcissist?).
I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. Please help.

OP posts:
frenchonion · 22/02/2019 10:07

My exH does the weirdlyformal thing too, it's fucking ridiculous and makes him sound like an arse. It's always tied up in who he's seeing at the time too - he's much chattier when single or with a 'cool girl'. He's on distant/formal atm and having a baby with this one (not planned) so expecting formal for the foreseeable. I like the suggestion of compiling a little book of dickheadishness Grin

Net1701 · 22/02/2019 10:07

talking from a child’s point of view......as my situation was like this when I was a child. My Father only seen me when he wanted, which has put a strain on our relationship. We have never be close and never will be. I’m 39 now and I put as much effort in to talking to him and seeing me as much as he did to me when I was a child. Which is not a lot.
But the best thing out of it is, I love and respect my mother more as from the day he left she became both parents. She did the best possible job she could as a single parent. I wasn’t the best child after my father left as I was a daddy’s girl. I went off the rails.
So be proud of yourself for being the best possible single parent to 3 children because you are doing it all by yourself and your children will love and respect you more in the long run and the respect will grow less for their father.

buckeejit · 22/02/2019 10:10

No help, just ugh, he's such a dick. I'd have to ask him to stop being so stiff as it's making you dislike him more & not conducive to co-parenting.

Also if he could acknowledge that he's in the wrong & at least act sorry for the inconvenience to you for his changing plans, it would be helpful

StormTreader · 22/02/2019 10:22

I would answer "Very well, I will inform the children that the client takes precedence. They will be disappointed but they do understand your work always comes first. Enjoy your day. "

Was just about to suggest this - its not just YOU hes screwing about with, its his kids.
Whose opinion does he care about, anyones? If he cares about being seen as a "decent person" to shared friends then it might be worth making these cancelled days a day out somewhere and then posting pictures on Facebook about "Cancelled daddy day means bonus mummy day! Rollercoasters, woo!"

The bonus here being that you get to all do extra fun days out!

troubleswillbeoutofsight · 22/02/2019 10:40

Many thanks, you too and absolutely no problem.
That response will cause him great concern I promise you!

DiagramFan · 22/02/2019 10:43

He sounds like a grade A bellend.

Tactfulish · 22/02/2019 11:42

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ElspethFlashman · 22/02/2019 11:46

He is the one banging on about "significant work commitments" and got those commitments actually written into the divorce agreement.

He can't argue that he is cancelling the day because work is coming first. It IS!

FizzyGreenWater · 22/02/2019 12:31

Oh I know - you shouldn't really send what I wrote! Cathartic though :)

If it were me what I actually would do right now is just make an appointment with a shit-hot solicitor, and lay it all out and see what your options might be. The ultimate satisfaction would be to simply contact him out of the blue one day and coolly say your circumstances have changed, you can no longer accommodate his Significant Work Commitments and you're reaaaally sad to have to let him know that you'll be going back to court with a proposal for selling the house or him buying you out and moving on from having to take so much time to support him. Speak to someone, look at what your job brings in, what you might get out of the house and see if it would be doable to liquidise the cash and get a mortgage on somewhere smaller but YOURS... very fucking far away.

In the meantime:

'Ok, don't worry. You do sound very stressed by all this! Me and the children will do our best to work around you as always, as long as you feel you're keeping things structured I'm sure you will be ok. Hope thing calm down soon and you can keep to the times the children expect. Sorry to hear that things are difficult right now, best wishes, Dieu'

He will hate it.

WeeWheels72 · 22/02/2019 13:50

FizzyGreenWater…..Im coming to you the next time I need help in writing to the ex lol

WhoKnewBeefStew · 22/02/2019 14:02

I think you need to box clever here.

A wise poster put

He'll carry on being a twat even if you gave him the house back, so don't act too hastily.

Which I think is very true.

My ex was a twat and carried on in very similar way. If he couldn’t (or didn’t want to) have the dc on his weekend he’d simply inform me that I had to pick up the slack Angry

I would always do this as long as it didn’t encroach on anything I’d planned. I started pushing back if needed ‘sorry knobhead, I’m going away Friday and returning Sunday so can’t accomodate your request’ it was easy as he collected from school. The school knew it was his weekend, so would ring him if no one turned up to collect. He’s far too worried about looking like a fantastic dad he soon sorted himself out.

Another thing I’d do, if he cancelled, I’d use the opportunity to swap

Him- I can’t have the dc Friday or Saturday, I’ll collect on Sunday

Me- ok no problem, You can have them Friday and Saturday next weekend instead.

It just ensured that I got my downtime too.

RandomMess · 22/02/2019 14:08

WhoKnew makes a good point....

If he refuses to swap "oh you don't wish to spend time with your DC, I'll let them know"

I would make a note of the overnights he actually does have them in case you ever need to go to CMS or back to court.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 22/02/2019 14:59

Exactly Random. If he refuses it’s majes him look bad and it’s easy to pull him up on it.

‘In the spirit of being flexible, you’re offering him alternative times for his dc’

I never ask my ex to swap weekends, but I do have a list of weekends I’d like to swap, so if he tells me he can’t do X day. I’m sickly sweet, ohhh that’s terrible, I’m sure you’ll miss the dc, how about you have them (insert your weekend you’ve got planned with the girls here) instead? That way your or the kids don’t miss out in valuable time together

UnperfectLife · 22/02/2019 16:27

@Net1701 Your post was very moving. Every separated parent ought to read it.

ccgirr · 22/02/2019 17:32

Fizzy green water - I wish you could deal with my twatish ex

user1481840227 · 22/02/2019 21:53

Surely having it written into the contract that you must have flexibility towards his work commitments doesn't mean that you must change your plans every single time he needs you to for years and years.

ohamIreally · 22/02/2019 23:25

It's not possible to make him have the children so you need to start taking control the only way you can. Currently he sees you as a nanny to the DC, with the "generous settlement" the pay you receive. PP above said that you need to start putting yourself and your life with your children first.
Start from a point in your mind that you have them 100% of the time. Arrange your life the way you want it. Go extremely low contact with ex; don't ask for anything and don't reply to his messages. If he cancels or changes a day, don't reply or renegotiate: they stay with you and he has missed his window. No discussion. When he does have them, use the time to have a break.
I know it's not fair, but there's many of us have found the "grey rock" approach to be the most effective, and the least damaging to our mental health.

ChristmasTigger · 23/02/2019 15:09

If you sell then you should be looking at 60 or 70% of the equity in the house (as you are and always have been the primary carer) plus maintenance. Would that put you in a position where you could buy somewhere or your own?

My ex was similar to deal with. I realised that asking him to be reasonable, about me having some time to myself, did not work. In the end, if he could not make a contact time then he just missed it, and I showed no emotion at all.

He must have phone numbers for the older DC - ask him to contact them directly if he can’t see them, take yourself out of the equation with them and limit contact with him as much as possible, it will save you so much stress

Santaclarita · 23/02/2019 20:20

Was the settlement completed by a solicitor or just an agreement between you two?

If it was done through a solicitor and it's all written down, I would just make him panic and go:

This settlement clearly isn't working for you as you clearly can't handle the financial side because you keep reminding me of it. I will go to the solicitor and see how to get it changed so the house can be sold and we split childcare 50/50. One week they stay with me, one week with you. I'll let you know what they say.

He'll panic about having to actually be a father that he'll shut up.

ohamIreally · 23/02/2019 22:26

I don't think he will panic though. He is an arrogant bastard and he knows that OP will blink first because she cares about the children.
The reality with these situations is that the one who leaves has no legal obligation to parent their children over and above paying the minimum child maintenance mandated. It seems utterly unbelievable but this is the case and the one left holding the baby may well still be holding on alone until that child is 18.

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