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Long relationship devoid of sex - help!

92 replies

MrBeeBee · 20/02/2019 08:55

Hello,

Firstly, sorry for the long post - I'm usually great at understanding what I'm supposed to do relationship wise but I'm at a bit of a loss.

Background: I'm 38, my Wife of 10 years is 56 so yes, there's an age difference. We've been together for 21 years believe it or not.

We had an amazing sex life to begin with. Many said that this would vanish aftr the first few years but for the first 10 years I'd say it stayed.

It has slowed considerably, and in the last 3 years dropped off a cliff. I understand my Wife is getting older so I'm sensitive to the fact that this might be her libido lowering or altering; I understand.

We've been through quite a lot actually. My wife had a hysterectomy around 11 years back (she already has 2 kids from previous marriage). That didn't effect our relationship; I never wanted kids and she didn't want anymore. The Op was more for her heavy period (VERY heavy) and it actually provided her a new lease of life which was great.

More recently she's had a replacement knee due to arthritis (4 years ago). Again, she's pain free and it was a great move.

I'm just highlighting that she has had some tough times so I'm aware of this.

However, here's where I find myself now. My Wife never initiates any sort of sexual contact at all. When I do, there's either a reason to avoid it (tired, have to get up early, I have other things to do..etc) or she lies there and I have to make all the moves. I'm sure you understand, but to that end, I feel unwanted, utterly unwanted.

I've approached her about this before over the years, and occasionally there is a brief spark (nothing triggers it out of the ordinary - I've paid careful attention to this) and we have great sex.....then it's back to 'normal'.

I've read much about how to set the right mood, the mental and emotional aspect of sex for a Woman (I won't lie - it's the same with me to be fair), and I believe I tick all the boxes. I do everything; I cook, I clean, I organise the house chores, I shop, I drive wherever we go when we're together,. She runs a small business as well as working part time and I help out with that whilst trying to have my own interests. I feel I do everything a man, no, a partner, should.

When we've discussed this before she does say she's sorry but she just doesn't feel like she used to; sexy (she has put on weight - her words) or up for it anymore.

Additionally, since I lost a lot of weight last year (7 stone to be precise) she has openly admitted she doesn't find me as attractive as she used to.

I understand all of this and when we have these conversations, and it's two way (rarely) we are very understanding of each other and try to understand all avenues, but I'm struggling. Sex is a big part, and yes I know the age difference might be a factor, but as I knew her age, she knows mine.

The last straw was last night. It was late, gone midnight, and I was restless and she was still thumbing through websites and facebook on her iPad. I leaned over to initiate some kissing, and at first she turned over (slowly), but then as I stroked her back, and hugged and kissed her, she began to get heavy eyed. The pillows she usually has to sleep ended up between us, and I ended up telling her (nicely) to get some sleep as she was tired....she wasn't 20 seconds ago.

I know, wholeheartedly my Wife loves and cares for me. I know because I've seen it. However, I'm 38, I still would like to have a sex life with my Wife, and it's becomming increasingly hard. Normal sex for us (after a settling in period) was around once a week. That was lustful, passionate, wanton sex.

Now, hence my post, once every 2 months, with me almost begging, and an unenthusiastic "come on, get on with it" (sometimes that's even said!) response, is what I can expect. At this point, when it DOES happen, it's purely functional, and I feel nothing other than release - I don't feel wanted.

Any recommendations welcome; please don't suggest that she doesn't deserve me, or that she's bang out of order. I'm trying to see her side of things and help and advice to that end might actually help me :)

OP posts:
MrBeeBee · 20/02/2019 12:44

@picklemepopcorn - completely understand and thanks for your replies to the thread. I think I'll have to come up with another way of saying it without it sounding like I'm having a go. I was reading about avoiding the "you" word and simply stating how "I" am feeling.

I know this is a very sensitive subject for some (my Wife is one of them I feel) so I'm going to try and make sure I'm as tactful as possible.

OP posts:
picklemepopcorn · 20/02/2019 12:49

Actually, there is nothing wrong with the 'you' word.

How would you like our sex life to look?

Would you like us to be intimate again, if we could find a way you enjoy?

Have I listened well enough to what you like in the bedroom?

I miss being physical with you, is there anyway I can help?

Adora10 · 20/02/2019 15:01

Can't believe a poster slagging your wife calling her mum, bet that wouldn't have been said if it was the other way around, so childish.

OP, would she be interested in a visit to the GP, there might be something she could try to kick start her libido again; you said the sex was always good so it's not that, it's her getting in the mood, maybe there is something worth trying like an aphrodisiac type thing; it's pretty common in the menopause years to lose your sex drive.

MrBeeBee · 20/02/2019 15:53

@adora10 thanks for your reply.

Posting this message gave me a bit of a kick and I sat down and had a chat to my Wife. She has confirmed that she never thinks about sex anymore, but enjoys it when we do have it (albeit she does say that she knows she doesn't get 'into it' like she used to).

The overwhelming response I got was that she's often in pain (she has had a few difficulties what with the knee operation, and a pulled shoulder muscle, etc) which means she knows she's going to be uncomfortable and as such it turns her off the situation immediately.

I get that, 100%, but there is literally nothing I can do other than keep supporting her on that front. Meanwhile my needs are still taking a huge backseat. She's aware of this, but I've also pointed out the worst possible outcome would be "pity" or "duty" sex as that ultimately makes me and us, feel worse.

Other than waiting and hoping that pain decreases and comfort increases I'm at a loss.

OP posts:
NotANotMan · 20/02/2019 16:25

that wouldn't have been said if it was the other way around, so childish

I'd have said EXACTLY the same if it was a 35 year old man dating a 17 year old girl. Worse actually. It's grim, whatever way you slice it. The fact that they are still together now doesn't negate the abusive nature of the age gap at the start.

Batsypatsy · 20/02/2019 16:28

I'm around the same age and in a similar situation. I'm menopausal and have no feelings of lust at all. For some women the menopausal is awful, I've read a lot of accounts online. I suffer with lack of libido, aches and pains, insomnia, tiredness, irritability, hot flushes... I'm currently waiting to speak to my gp about hrt and testosterone as this can help. You sound very understanding but if your wife doesn't have lustful feelings, I'm not sure what she can do other than be truthful with you.

Adora10 · 20/02/2019 16:49

@NotANotMan

Maybe time to experience some adult life without mum wife?

Abusive nature of the age gap? Are you for real, 17 years between them and you are calling out abuse, based on zero facts.

You are basically insulting the OP and his wife, nice.

GummyGoddess · 20/02/2019 17:08

So what are you going to do on the back of that conversation?

Either sex is unimportant so it doesn't matter who it's with and you can sleep with someone else, or it's so important that it can only be with the one person you're married to, and therefore needs fixing on both sides so that this happens. Everyone should be happy with the situation.

NotANotMan · 20/02/2019 17:22

Yep
A 17 year old in a relationship with a 35 year old adult is not an equal partner and is highly vulnerable to abuse. It is my view that such an age gap is abusive per se

Adora10 · 20/02/2019 17:37

My mother married my dad when she was 31 and he was 17, I can assure you there was no abuse taking place, they were married for an eternity and had a very happy marriage with lots of children, lots of love and mutual respect. If anything my dad had the dominant role in their relationship whilst hers was mostly nurturing.

I think you are posting dangerous accusations but hey, up to you, hopefully the OP will take no notice.

TearingUpMyHeart · 20/02/2019 17:55

As GummyGoddess says .... back for the next conversation. What's it to be?

MrBeeBee · 20/02/2019 22:24

@GummyGoddess & @TearingUpMyHeart - Here's the thing. I've had a chat with the Wife as I mentioned earlier and made my feelings known again.

I shall give it a short period, see if anything stirs in terms of a follow up conversation, and if not, I'll re-evaluate the next steps.

Leaving is not one of the options on the table and nor is feeling "justified" in cheating. Counselling is, as is further discussion.

Thanks again for acting as a sounding board and for those of you who didn't judge. :)

OP posts:
MargeB · 21/02/2019 13:49

The age-gap itself shouldnt be an issue - I would ignore the comments about it being 'abusive' - my DP is 15 years younger than me. Ive found lots of these comments are often out of spite, or jealousy, my friend was always having a go about me being a cradle snatcher, half jokingly, whilst being in the middle of her second longterm split (both her partners were the same age as her) - it took me a while to work out that she was jealous that I was in a relationship with a younger guy.

Having said that, I dont think I could be in a sexless relationship like you, or be told to 'hurry up and do it', or constant excuses, it would make me feel unwanted and Im not sure how I would cope in that situation.

NotANotMan · 21/02/2019 15:23

Ive found lots of these comments are often out of spite, or jealousy Hmm

Was your partner a legal child when you got together with him?

MargeB · 21/02/2019 16:41

Im not sure what you mean? What exactly is a legal child? He was 17 - at 16 you're allowed by law to have sex with anyone 16 or over - theres nothing illegal in what he did, or what she did, so I dont see your point, unless you're trying to be deliberately spiteful by using the words legal child, to make it seem as though his partner is a criminal in some way? And if that is what you're suggesting then I'd tread carefully before accusing this woman of abusing a child.

HollowTalk · 21/02/2019 17:01

I think you can love a number of people in your life. If I were you I'd accept you were at such different stages now that you are incompatible. You are far too young to accept you'll never have sex again.

Adora10 · 21/02/2019 17:05

A legal child Grin

Oh my days.

@notanotman: I see you are still determined to infer abuse and now illegal activity, grasping somewhat.

Gina2012 · 21/02/2019 17:19

The long and short I think is if she said "I'm never having sex again - sorry" I'd still stay because I love her! Does that make me an absolute mad man?

Why post , then?

The lack of sex is only going to get worse

You've said you'll accept that rather than leave her.

Jobs a goodun

NotANotMan · 21/02/2019 17:28

Meh
I think 35 year old adults having sex with people under the age of 18 are gross, weird and totally lacking in appropriate boundaries. I'm not alone in that.

Adora10 · 21/02/2019 17:38

@NotANotMan

You called it abuse up thread, why are you inferring legal child, that does not even make sense.

It's not under the age of 18, it's 17, no need to say under anything, you sound so desperate to degrade and contort, can you not just accept that not all relationships with age gaps are abusive.

I find your comments really offensive, my parents had nothing but a loving mutual respectful relationship with normal boundaries, my mum was neither gross or weird.

MargeB · 21/02/2019 17:42

Notanotman - you're getting tangled in your own prejudice here - sadly for you the law is written on behalf of what you find gross or weird - so you'll just have to accept it. Im sure theres things you do that other people may find gross or weird, but as long as you're not breaking the law then its none of our business!

Your argument is silly simply because it makes no sense - so a 17 and 19 year old is gross? Or a 16 and 18 year old? Because technically ones an 'adult' and ones a 'adult child' in your eyes. How about a 19 year old with a 50 year old? Technically both adults.

Just keep your prejudice to yourself and stop accusing this woman of being some sort of abuser, for crying out loud.

TearingUpMyHeart · 21/02/2019 17:44

16 is the legal age to consent to sex but 18 is now the usual definition of a child for safeguarding purposes. If an adult had some kind of role of authority over that 17 year old eg teacher, footie coach, it would be illegal and abusive. My personal opinion is that it is abusive regardless. That's a view from today's world. 100 years ago it wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. I guess 30/40 odd years ago it was acceptable. A lot of stuff went on in the 70s.

NotANotMan · 21/02/2019 17:47

so a 17 and 19 year old is gross? Or a 16 and 18 year old?

No, because they are more or less the same age

A 35 year old having sex with a 17 year old is fucked up. Hugely fucked up.

NotANotMan · 21/02/2019 17:47

And a 17 year old is a legal child. Dress it up how you like, they aren't an adult.

TearingUpMyHeart · 21/02/2019 17:48

Sorry ...under 18 is the definition.of a child