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I am ending my friendship, but should I tell her ex

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Friendshipover · 15/02/2019 06:00

Ok, I am going to try and keep this as shirt as possible. Been here about 9 years, but namechanged invade anyone recognises me.

I have a friend of about 20 years. She is a older than me. She had an horrendous first marriage at 16, he had affairs she had affairs, he became violent, 3 kids camebinto it and she finally got rid of him. She then had a child with someone who had mental health problems and was left with all 4 kids, doing it alone.

Anyway when she was mid 30s she met someone in early twenties. They seemed to get on really well most of the time. Her youngest was toddler and the others were 10 and older. Her Dp took the kids on, especially the toddler. He considers that child he own child, as the dad is nowhere to be found.

Anyway, it's been a rollercoaster of a relationship. Even from the start. Neither of them covered themseleves in glory. They would argue about anything and everything. Even in front of people. Neither trusted the other, she would accuse him of cheating, he would accuse her of cheating. She would purposely try and make him jealous by giving the house number out to men to call her on, he would get angry (never violent or close to) that men were ringing the house, so he would flirt with women in front of her she would get angry and on and on. These arguments happened every 6-12 weeks and both of them acted badly. Individually, they are nice people. Together, it just didn't work.

What did happen was that despite a long relationship of almost 20 years and marriage, she wouldn't put his name on any house they rented and would kick him out, if they fell out. He would have to spend the next 2-4 weeks begging to go back and she would eventually give in.

The root of their issues, from my point of view was that she couldn't have more kids and her age. She felt very insecure that he would go off with someone younger and who could have kids. He always reassured he loved her and was happy no having his own kids and viewed her kids as his.

I had fertility problems so sympathised. I justified, wrongly, alot of her behaviour and supported her because I knew to hard it was not being able to give the man you love a baby.

Anyway, her kids became adult and started moving out, she then hit her (now) husband a few times. And it got worse.

3 years ago she kicked him out again. He begged to come back for a few weeks. Then he decided it was done. At first she didn't believe it and said 'he will come crawling back'. He didn't. She went to where he was staying and kicked off, tried to attack him and he wouldn't come back with her. She became convinced he met someone else, so would sit all night outside where he was staying, would ring him and scream abuse. I felt so bad for her because she was hurting so much, but I was also getting concerned her behaviour was out of hand. She was still convinced he had left her so he could have kids, where everyone else could see he had left because he was sick of all the trouble.

My dp is still friends with him. My friend has demanded we all, including her kids cut contact with him, but my dp refuses.

Her husband eventually got his own place and wouldn't tell her where it was so she couldn't sit outside it. He was clear the marriage was over, but as far as my dp knows he isn't seeing anyone. He has completely disengaged from her, does try and contact the adult kids, but they won't respond so they dont upset their mum.

She has told him he has to wait 5 years for divorce. If he tries to divorce her, she will contest it. Her rage has simmered but is still there. I have felt so sorry for her and been there because she felt she could give him kids and it would have been ok, if she had. I shared my feelings over my own problems and really been there for her, whilst telling her, her behaviour isn't ok. But she won't seek outside help. She is calling all his family trying to find where he lives. Got the youngest son (now an adult) to call his family to check out if they know. He hasn't told his family either. Only my Dp knows where his house is.

However, last week while drunk, she admitted she actually COULD have kids. But didn't want anymore and was on the pill till she went through menopause. I am gutted, I shared so much of my own story, supported her when her behaviour was abusive to her husband because I understood how she felt. I feel gutted for her ex, while he said he didn't mind not having his own, but I don't think he got all the facts. I think he should have known all the truth. That she didn't want them. While drunk she was smug that he would dare have kids with someone else now, as he was afraid she would kick off. She still had control of him. I confronted her when sober and she confirmed it. She told him she could have kids, because she knew he would stay with her, if it wasn't her fault she couldn't give him a child.

Anyway, I have told her i feel utterly betrayed by her. That her problem was the age difference and if she couldn't have handled that, she should have ended the relationship rather than puttimg them both through this and lying to her husband.

I haven't told my Dp as he will will tell her ex. But don't know what to do. The ex has said he won't have kids, because it would feel like the ultimate betrayal. He would like them, but gave up that plan because he loved her and she could have them and wouldn't leave her because of it.

I think if he knew that she could have had them, but chose not to he may go on to have is own kids. I feel awful knowing this but don't know wether to tell him, because it could all blow up again.

My Dp would be really upset to find out I knew this but didn't tell him, because it's impacting his friends life.

I really don't know what to do despite being angry at her, I don't want to betray her. I don't want to cause more trouble, but think he should know so he ca make his own decision about kids. Rather than not having them, so he doesn't feel like he is betraying her.

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UniversalAunt · 15/02/2019 16:15

I do think that your friend the Ex has set himself up with someone who did nor want more children...ten years older, four kids already & two tricky marriages under her belt.

Were we there at the beginning with them, there’d be a healthy MN consensus that having a fifth by a third & him only in his twenties, AND after she’d been through the marriages, might not be the best thing for all concerned, & that stopping at four with a loving third might be enough for all concerned. That’s not unreasonable.

So, on paper he did not choose the right person back then to have his family with, & maybe at some level that was OK for him as his difficult childhood was still fresh & possibly he needed to have a ready made family. As OP says he brought the youngest up also though his own.

Now he is growing up & beyond his EX, & into independent adulthood. He has so much to look forward to, prolly with some help & if he’s lucky he’ll meet some one just right for him, & they may have children. Often people don’t conceive with each other yet go on to conceive with their new partner - so there is hope for him, that’s a useful message.

SandyY2K · 15/02/2019 18:24

I'd tell him and let him know you're not sure if she's lying about it, but he shouldn't let this hold him back from finding another woman and becoming a father.

This just shows that abusers do it (regardless of gender) because their victims stay with them. Once he left the abuse had to stop.

I realise that some abusers continue even after the relationship is over, but they're more likely to find another victim.

I honestly wouldn't want a friend like her and I'd tell her, I feel strongly about what she's done and can't remain friends with her.

Friendshipover · 15/02/2019 19:13

UniversalAunt I agree with what you say. When they met, I couldn't understand why a young man of 22 would want to be tied down with 4 kids. But as we got to know him and his, I did suspect he was longing for a family.

And yes, being with her was very much his decision. But I also get how, when you are going and in love it's easy to think you can miss out on things and the love is worth it.

She also has a history of going out with younger men, so it wasn't that 'out there' when she introduced us.

SandyY2K I have already ended the friendship. Even if she is lying. But yes abuse stays for years.

I have spoken to dp, he wasn't shocked at all. He can see it being true. But isn't 100%.

He will tell him, but not yet. But is thinking about timing and his friend. He understood why I didn't tell him straight away and says he will keep me out of it.

He has said what others here have said. I need some support in regards to my relationships as I do tend to take alot of emotional stuff on from other people and let them manipulate me.

Hopefully I will be able to get some sleep tonight.

Thanks all for your advice and help.

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SandyY2K · 15/02/2019 19:23

I suspect he has low self esteem, which is a common trait with many victims of abuse.

Your average 22 yo will not enter a relationship with a mum with 4 kids... yet he did...he married her and was abused and kicked out time and time again. Still begging even when he did nothing wrong.

It seems like such a waste of his years.

Poor chap. Did his family know what she was like?

Friendshipover · 15/02/2019 20:35

Poor chap. Did his family know what she was like?

From what I know they did. But his parents are drinkers and their marriage is as bad, from whats I have been told. He has brothers and sisters, who have all had quite big issues. But this is from what he told me, I don't know any of them.

He does definitely have low self esteem.

I can't say he has been perfect. Nothing like abuse or cheating. In the early years he was as argumentative as her. But he mellowed as he got older. After this thread I am wondering if it was to try and avoid being kicked out or the other things.

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Santaclarita · 15/02/2019 20:51

Oh my god. You're considering actually covering up a lie for this thing I can't even call a woman?

You do realise she manipulated you too through all of this, used your weaknesses against you, used your own tragedy of fertility issues to get sympathy?

She had 4 children very easily. It would be quite rare if she suddenly couldn't have more, although not unheard of. In this case she is very likely to be an outright liar.

She is a despicable, manipulative, cruel bitch. If you actually keep covering for her, you are pretty much no better because you are happy for the ex to continue living a lie, thinking it will upset her too much to have children with someone else because she can't. Fuck her opinion. She doesn't give a shit about anyone else's.

Ditch the bitch and tell the ex. Or tell your dp to if you are afraid to.

Friendshipover · 15/02/2019 21:08

Santaclarita I have ditched her and I have told dp.

I am not considering covering for her. I am fed up of it all and don't want to be dragged into it. Nor do I want to cause him more pain and stress when he isn't doing great.

I haven't said I am happy. I am pretty upset and unhappy about it. About the whole thing what she has done, to him and me. Yes I know she has manipulated me and I have discussed what I am doing about that too.

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Santaclarita · 15/02/2019 21:13

I didn't see that sorry. Her attitude made me so angry, I can't really believe such a person exists. She is just evil.

Haffiana · 15/02/2019 21:19

Google flying monkey. That is you.

HeckyPeck · 15/02/2019 22:11

I am not considering covering for her. I am fed up of it all and don't want to be dragged into it. Nor do I want to cause him more pain and stress when he isn't doing great.

The thing is, it might upset him short term, but it would be much worse that he continues to believe a lie and base his life choices around that.

I bet once she realises you’ve dropped her she’ll “accidentally” let him know (maybe via the kids or his family) she was lying and that you and your DP knew. She won’t want you guys to all continue to be friends without her.

ItsBloodyFreezingg · 16/02/2019 16:05

Usually I would say to stay out of it but if he's basing his future decisions to have children on this then I couldn't not tell him.

I would be utterly heartbroken if I missed out on my opportunity to have children I wanted because of a lie. And a lie that other people had kept to themselves.

This woman doesn't deserve your silence and her exDP deserves to make his own mind up with all the proper facts.

Sorry I don't think you can keep this to yourself at all. Especially considering it could end up causing issue with your own relationship if your DP found out you knew.

Tennesseewhiskey · 16/02/2019 16:06

ItsBloodyFreezingg you might want to read the thread

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