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I've locked myself in the bedroom

72 replies

hoosie · 06/02/2019 22:11

..and I'm forcing my husband to sleep in the living room. I'm just so fucking tired of his behaviour. I'm so tired I can't tell whether my reaction is OTT or not. I just don't want him following me everywhere and talking me into the ground.

This is on the back of a stupid argument but it's blown sky high. My husband has always undermined my parenting-I'm not sure why. We have been married for 10 years, we have two daughters aged 8 and 10. Both girls have electronic devices (iphones/macbooks). The eldest (who I will call Katie) also uses my kindle Last week Katie went on a sleepover with my kindle and returned with the screen smashed. She claims she has no idea how it happened. I wasn't mad because accidents happen we just agreed that she would do jobs around the house for me until she has recouped some of the money (she hasn't done any yet). The money wasn't the point for me-it's the principle of the thing. If you break something-regardless of it being an accident-you make restitution.

Tonight, she dropped her MacBook on the floor and it's now non-functional. This is in the context of her constantly dropping it or drinking/eating over it.

When she dropped I immediately knew it was dead. I didn't shout. I didn't raise my voice at all. I didn't actually feel angry, I just kind of resigned. My younger daughter immediately asked what would happen now and my response was "Well now Katie doesn't have a laptop". There was no sarcasm, no tone, nothing-just matter of fact. Katie asked me if I could repair it (I'm an IT Technician), my response was "no, it's not repairable". In truth I could repair it, but I didn't want to. After that Katie went to her room to have a cry and I got on with cleaning the kitchen.

I'm not a believer in shouting or raised voices but I do believe in consequences. The consequence for being careless with devices is that if you break them-you don't have a device to use. Am I being unreasonable?

My husband has a habit of getting in between me and our daughters. Every parenting decision I make is questioned. I knew that if he saw that Katie was upset he would immediately rush and console her regardless of context and I would be the 'bad' one. I don't know whether he just genuinely starts from the assumption that I am incompetent or whether it's just part of his pattern of manipulative behaviour.

To mitigate the likelihood that he would immediately start making a big fuss of her I explained to him what had happened. As part of the explanation I also said "I do have another laptop in work she can use but I don't want to tell her that. I think she should have to be without one for a month." (bear in mind I refurbish laptops for a living.) DH immediately started to tell me that 1 month without a laptop was unfair and how 1 month to a 10year old would seem like an eternity etc etc. Then he tells his usual tales of how he always lost/broke things as a kid and it was never his fault and he couldn't help it.

He feels a week should be sufficient. I told him I didn't agree. This was not acceptable to him.

An hour after that after the girls were in bed he came to me and asked me to go to Katie and tell her that I was not angry with her because she was worried that I was angry. In truth, I'm not angry. Just tired. Nothing in my voice or actions expressed anger. I know she's feeling guilty. She’s a normal kid and a normal response is regret at your actions. From my perspective, experiencing these sorts of emotions is part of life.

My husband likes to manage other people’s emotions. He likes to manage mine and the children's. I went to Katie's room, stroked her head, and kissed her goodnight for the second time.

He then tried to start an argument with me over the fact that I hadn't told her verbatim that "I wasn't angry". He says I am wrong for doing this. From his perspective she should not be left to wonder if her mother is angry. From my perspective, I haven't expressed anger. I've been calm, kind and patient in a sort of "these things happen-but still you have to deal with the consequences" kind of way. I feel that his response is to brush everything under the carpet.

My husband has this pattern of getting very intense over small things. He's very intense with me and the children. He likes to lecture and he has to be right. He will keep going all night over the most trivial things until I am so worn out I just capitulate. It's perplexing and exhausting.

For the first time in our marriage I've gone into our bedroom and locked the door. I just cannot bear another night long lecture (he calls it "wanting to talk"). Every time he wants "to talk" I end up miserable and even more resentful at the end of it while he feels smug and justified. Tonight, I don't have the energy. I refuse to back down. My whole marriage has been like this.

Tomorrow I will no doubt tell him I'm sorry again. I'll get a flurry of email essays and texts in work and demands to talk at home. I don't want to fucking talk anymore.

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CatnissEverdene · 06/02/2019 22:16

You sound beaten, OP.

And he sounds very controlling. He knows that if he badgers you enough, you back down.

That's no way to live for you or your DC Flowers

bastardkitty · 06/02/2019 22:17

It would be normal to be angry and your sanctions are reasonable. What's the rest if your relationship with your husband like? I wouldn't be pleased about what he's doing.

twominfromthebeach · 06/02/2019 22:18

Counselling together could help.

If the mac book is repairable, maybe give it back to her on condition it stays put in one place (desk etc) or you take it back. Something like that anyway.

DH and you need to have a calm, honest conversation but it may well be that a counsellor is needed to mediate etc

Good luck x

hoosie · 06/02/2019 22:21

I do feel beaten Catniss. I try and avoid these sort of arguments with him because the rage I feel towards him is intense. What I hear behind the endless lectures isthat I am a bad mother, a bad wife and somehow emotionally dysfunctional. I felt he was trying to twist it to look as if I was somehow emotionally abusing my child. It makes me so upset. Nothing could be futher from the truth and yet I feel this is his subtext time and time again.

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hoosie · 06/02/2019 22:23

@bastardkitty. Our sex life is non existant at the moment. It stems back to quite a few instences where I felt pushed into sex. After those things happened I just kind of went off the whole sex thing. He's not phyiscally forceful but kind of creepily manipulative-hard to put into words. Otherwise ok I think.

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hoosie · 06/02/2019 22:25

@twominfromthebeach- Yes I feel that may help. Right now we have these same patterns of arguing where I feel he just steamrollers me. It would help to get an outside perspective. Maybe I am being too sensitive

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frazzledasarock · 06/02/2019 22:28

He’s abusive.

Forcing you to sit up and listen to his ranting all night till you’re too exhausted to argue and give in is a classic abusive tactic.

Ex used to do this and I’d be like a zombie in the morning.

Call women’s aid in the morning.

Make an appointment with a solicitor too.

My parenting style is very like yours & my dc are healthy well balanced happy individuals. Who understand the consequence of their actions. We are very close and they’re happy to share things with me knowing I won’t get angry at them normally.

Your H sounds awful.

CatnissEverdene · 06/02/2019 22:29

He sounds like a bully whose voice has to be heard and be "right" about everything.

And I adopted the same strategy with my DDs when they broke something. If it was lack of care, then they went without it being replaced. It's the only way to teach them consequences, shouting gets you nowhere.

Ruddygreattiger2016 · 06/02/2019 22:29

Oh op, this sounds absolutely exhausting, have you looked into the practicalities of being a single parent? Surely that is preferable to this insufferable browbeating?Flowers

7yo7yo · 06/02/2019 22:29

Ooh he is horrid isn’t he.
He’s trying to create a dynamic where your the bad one isn’t he?
You need to make plans to leave op before he turns your girls against you.
“Ooh isn’t mum nasty” “mum shouldn’t have done that” “ignore mum”.

MyKingdomForBrie · 06/02/2019 22:30

Ugh. He sounds like a manipulative control freak. I think you might be getting to the point where you know there's no where else to go with this but apart..

RandomMess · 06/02/2019 22:31

It sounds like a way of him being in control...

Caselgarcia · 06/02/2019 22:33

Crikey, I'd feel drained by his behaviour. In my eyes, you'd dealt with the situation without raising your voice and shown there were consequences to breaking her computer. Job done. There is no need to endlessly pick over how Katie is feeling, how you need to tell her you aren't angry, to me this is just making it worse. You dealt with the situation fairly and as you saw fit.
Not need to endlessly talk about it.

mummmy2017 · 06/02/2019 22:36

I now go with, thank you for your views
So have thought about it, can see your point but still intend to do as I said.

PolkaDoting · 06/02/2019 22:49

Your reaction is not OTT.

hoosie · 06/02/2019 22:53

Ok you have to get the full story for fairness sake. Before I retreated to the bedroom I lost my rag with him but I was so angry I couldn't really articulate myself and it was not pretty. I told him:

"Nothing I do in your eyes is good enough"
"Yeah yeah I'm a bad mother, You've told me 100 times"
"Stop patronising me"
"You're boring me, yes really fucking boring"

Then the really bitchy unintelligent parting shot...
"Have a look on line, there are plenty of places that do gender resignment".

I NEVER say things like that normally. I am careful not to hurt him. I lost it tonight. Had I not walked away and locked the door it would have got worse. I could not afford for it to get worse because it may have woken the children up.

The last one (about gender re-assignment) I'm ashamed of because I would never say something like that to anyone else. I am not locked into fixed ideas of gender. It was off the back of a couple of decades of him undermining me. He likes to think he is better at cooking and childcare than I am. I used to love cooking I've grown to hate it because of his attitude. The issue is I don't actually have a role. In his eyes i'm substandard at everything.

However (I'm going to really contradict everything I just said about gender). There is something feminine about him which puts me off sexually.

He's never hit me. He's never witheld finances. He's never hurt the children. He's just a bit creepy and manipulative.

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pineapplebryanbrown · 06/02/2019 22:54

I used to have a boyfriend like this. He would whine and whine and could keep it up for hours until I gave in to anything just to shut him up. The weird thing was he did it all from the position of victim - so he badgered and bullied as a victim. I have a very, very long fuse and it takes a lot to get a rise from me but he could do it.

Your reaction re the screens and equipment was completely reasonable. Katie has been careless and a little time without stuff to play with may make her more careful. You haven't made a big deal out of it and it sounds like she hasn't either. She's just a bit sad that her stuff is broken, I would be too.

MissMarplesBloomers · 06/02/2019 22:55

Please don't go to counselling with him- controlling abusers can use the sessions to belittle you even further- contact WA as previously suggested & get a counsellor they recommend for YOU to help you see how his behaviour has worn you down. It is a standard abusive trait.

I useful book to read is "Why does he Do that" by Lundy Bancroft can be illuminating, patterns of behaviour in these men are of a typical pattern.

Take care of yourself.

hoosie · 06/02/2019 22:55

Before I delivered the nasty gender re-assignment comment. He told me that he had never said that I was a bad mother and that I was putting words into his mouth. It's true that he has never said that. I just feel it's the subtext to all the things he comes out with. What else am I supposed to think?

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ErickBroch · 06/02/2019 22:56

I agree with you AND that your husband is an arse/controlling however as a very very clumsy child, I am sure your daughter will accept not having a laptop for a month or however long, but your silence and minimal reaction is likely really worrying her.

Please do reassure her that although you are unhappy and this is the consequence, you still love her etc etc. OF COURSE you do, but I was in this boat a lot as a child and I was always worried and upset more when my mum did not react!!

To clarify I think everything you've said is right and your husband is a twat - just couldn't help remembering being in your daughters shoes

ErickBroch · 06/02/2019 22:58

Ok scrap my comment I missed the part about kissing her goodnight - sorry OP! You are a great mum.

Bess78 · 06/02/2019 22:58

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hoosie · 06/02/2019 22:59

@ErickBroch I will have a chat with her on the way to school tomorrow to check she's ok

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pineapplebryanbrown · 06/02/2019 22:59

OP cross post. That's so weird, I found my ex boyfriend really feminine and I hated it. He seemed to like me not liking him. It was such a weird relationship and so hard to get out of because I would start out reasonable saying "we're not as good a match as we initially hoped" and other neutral things and I'd end up screaming that I just couldn't stand one single thing about him and he made me want to vomit. Ugh.

Dragongirl10 · 06/02/2019 23:01

Op whatever is going on and l don't know, I'm not a therapist....he makes you feel uncomfortable.........without the bullying behavior and yes it is constant bullying....
What is good about this relationship?