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I've locked myself in the bedroom

72 replies

hoosie · 06/02/2019 22:11

..and I'm forcing my husband to sleep in the living room. I'm just so fucking tired of his behaviour. I'm so tired I can't tell whether my reaction is OTT or not. I just don't want him following me everywhere and talking me into the ground.

This is on the back of a stupid argument but it's blown sky high. My husband has always undermined my parenting-I'm not sure why. We have been married for 10 years, we have two daughters aged 8 and 10. Both girls have electronic devices (iphones/macbooks). The eldest (who I will call Katie) also uses my kindle Last week Katie went on a sleepover with my kindle and returned with the screen smashed. She claims she has no idea how it happened. I wasn't mad because accidents happen we just agreed that she would do jobs around the house for me until she has recouped some of the money (she hasn't done any yet). The money wasn't the point for me-it's the principle of the thing. If you break something-regardless of it being an accident-you make restitution.

Tonight, she dropped her MacBook on the floor and it's now non-functional. This is in the context of her constantly dropping it or drinking/eating over it.

When she dropped I immediately knew it was dead. I didn't shout. I didn't raise my voice at all. I didn't actually feel angry, I just kind of resigned. My younger daughter immediately asked what would happen now and my response was "Well now Katie doesn't have a laptop". There was no sarcasm, no tone, nothing-just matter of fact. Katie asked me if I could repair it (I'm an IT Technician), my response was "no, it's not repairable". In truth I could repair it, but I didn't want to. After that Katie went to her room to have a cry and I got on with cleaning the kitchen.

I'm not a believer in shouting or raised voices but I do believe in consequences. The consequence for being careless with devices is that if you break them-you don't have a device to use. Am I being unreasonable?

My husband has a habit of getting in between me and our daughters. Every parenting decision I make is questioned. I knew that if he saw that Katie was upset he would immediately rush and console her regardless of context and I would be the 'bad' one. I don't know whether he just genuinely starts from the assumption that I am incompetent or whether it's just part of his pattern of manipulative behaviour.

To mitigate the likelihood that he would immediately start making a big fuss of her I explained to him what had happened. As part of the explanation I also said "I do have another laptop in work she can use but I don't want to tell her that. I think she should have to be without one for a month." (bear in mind I refurbish laptops for a living.) DH immediately started to tell me that 1 month without a laptop was unfair and how 1 month to a 10year old would seem like an eternity etc etc. Then he tells his usual tales of how he always lost/broke things as a kid and it was never his fault and he couldn't help it.

He feels a week should be sufficient. I told him I didn't agree. This was not acceptable to him.

An hour after that after the girls were in bed he came to me and asked me to go to Katie and tell her that I was not angry with her because she was worried that I was angry. In truth, I'm not angry. Just tired. Nothing in my voice or actions expressed anger. I know she's feeling guilty. She’s a normal kid and a normal response is regret at your actions. From my perspective, experiencing these sorts of emotions is part of life.

My husband likes to manage other people’s emotions. He likes to manage mine and the children's. I went to Katie's room, stroked her head, and kissed her goodnight for the second time.

He then tried to start an argument with me over the fact that I hadn't told her verbatim that "I wasn't angry". He says I am wrong for doing this. From his perspective she should not be left to wonder if her mother is angry. From my perspective, I haven't expressed anger. I've been calm, kind and patient in a sort of "these things happen-but still you have to deal with the consequences" kind of way. I feel that his response is to brush everything under the carpet.

My husband has this pattern of getting very intense over small things. He's very intense with me and the children. He likes to lecture and he has to be right. He will keep going all night over the most trivial things until I am so worn out I just capitulate. It's perplexing and exhausting.

For the first time in our marriage I've gone into our bedroom and locked the door. I just cannot bear another night long lecture (he calls it "wanting to talk"). Every time he wants "to talk" I end up miserable and even more resentful at the end of it while he feels smug and justified. Tonight, I don't have the energy. I refuse to back down. My whole marriage has been like this.

Tomorrow I will no doubt tell him I'm sorry again. I'll get a flurry of email essays and texts in work and demands to talk at home. I don't want to fucking talk anymore.

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RhubarbaraWindsor · 06/02/2019 23:01

Some very considered responses here OP, but the bottom line is he's a twat. I will never understand why some women put up with this sort of twattery. I know his sort - you can't win, so your options are limited to shut up and put up or pull the plug. He's making my lip curl and I don't know the man!

ErickBroch · 06/02/2019 23:02

You have dealt with it well. I have also been in your position of having to listen over and over to the most petty argument going on about details that just don't matter, ending up so defeated and tired you just agree to whatever.

You really deserve better, it is emotionally abusive. Flowers

pineapplebryanbrown · 06/02/2019 23:03

The trouble is you've been with him at least 10 years not just a couple of months. Is it just tonight that he has been a whiny twat or how long has this been going on?

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showmeshoyu · 06/02/2019 23:06

Is he, rather than creepy and manipulative, just one of those massively unaware/self absorbed people who because there's an exciting solution bouncing around in his head just won't fucking shut up about it? To him it will all just seem like he's having a logical and rational conversation and he's probably confused why you won't. Because he can't understand and although he may be articulate, he may not be very emotionally developed. Also, some of the above distilled down sounds a little ASD.

Just a thought. Happy to be shot down.

Ellie56 · 06/02/2019 23:06

You were perfectly reasonable with Katie. She needs to learn to take more care with expensive possessions, and if this means she has to be without her laptop or whatever for a while, then so be it.

Your husband sounds exhausting and quite controlling. I couldn't stand being talked to death either. You don't have to put up with this twat. You deserve much better.

Fairenuff · 06/02/2019 23:14

You don't have to stay with him you know.

He is a bully. He won't change so you are looking at a lifetime of this unless you decide you've had enough.

The bit about him saying he used to drop things a lot and couldn't help it when he was a child, have you looked into dyspraxia at all? Might be worth seeing if your dd has any symptoms.

Ontonumber2 · 06/02/2019 23:17

It sounds that although his approach is completely wrong with you ultimately his intentions are ones of care towards his dd's. When it comes to your relationship it certainly doesn't come across as loving. He sounds controlling and unable to let you have your own mind but it is very clear from your posts that you are also a very analytical person and clearly capable to see the marriage should be no more. Stop thinking about it and accept that you need to tell him its over. Get some space but keep the relationship as respectful as possible. Suggest councilling to help him understand things from your view but don't waste anymore time being miserable.

justilou1 · 06/02/2019 23:17

What on earth have you done that is wrong here? You are teaching your child consequences. (An often-reported missing piece of modern parenting, but that is a whole other thread....) He tells you that what you are FEELING is wrong. THIS is the abusive part. You are actually allowed to be angry that your kid has smashed yet another device, you know. You ARE allowed to have negative feeings. You’re not a robot. This whole “positive” feelings all the time push is so destructive!!! No wonder you’re over it!!!

hoosie · 06/02/2019 23:18

@thighorelief101 "he seemed to like me not liking him" wow, that's twisted. I look away or disengage when my husband does these little things. I ask myself surely he must notice? Surely? I don't want to hurt him by blankly saying "don't do that" as maybe it's part of him so I just disengage. Maybe he knows and doesn't care maybe he doesn't notice but it's really fucking up our sex life. I notice a pattern that when things are not going well at work he does more and more of these little feminine things.

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Italiangreyhound · 06/02/2019 23:18

hoosie he sounds very controlling. Don;t have counselling with him. Speak to women's aid. Have counselling alone if it helps.

What is there in your marriage that is good. If you do not want to stay, you do not need to stay.

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Smallhorse · 06/02/2019 23:19

I think your husband is being unreasonable but some of the responses here are over the top in their criticism and vitriol towards him

showmeshoyu · 06/02/2019 23:19

As you have different and conflicting communication styles, if you're comfortable doing so, maybe couples therapy might help build a common interface for you both.

pineapplebryanbrown · 06/02/2019 23:25

OP could it be passive aggression? You look away and "don't notice" him being annoying so he does it more and pushes your buttons until you say something overtly mean.

IncrediblySadToo · 06/02/2019 23:27

Where to start?

‘Katie’ will be just fine. A month WILL feel like a long time. That’s kind of the point! (I’d make out that there was a ‘new part’ that could fix it, I wouldn’t let on i could have fixed it immediately). You did the right thing 🌷

Your H. He’d have been under the patio long before now. It really doesn’t matter whether he’s abusive, on the spectrum, or just a massive wanker - no one needs to live in the environment you’re living in. It’s awful. You and your Dd’s will be much happier when he’s gone. You might think they adore him and would be devastated, but I think you’ll be surprised at how much they’d thrive without him there.

Do NOT apologise tomorrow. Just don’t.

OPTIMUMMY · 06/02/2019 23:29

He sounds like hard work! It’s good that you aren’t giving into him, it sounds like he’s learned that if he goes on long enough he gets what he wants in the end. I’d bet nothing would frustrate him more than not being able to have the talk. It does sound like you don’t find him attractive anymore, or even likeable. What attracted you to him in the first place? Is there any chance of rekindling some of those experiences and feelings? Maybe counselling could help, or maybe a nice holiday away from him.

IncrediblySadToo · 06/02/2019 23:34

Do NOT go to counselling with him.

Go to a solicitors without him.

caringcarer · 06/02/2019 23:58

Your h is undermining your relationship with your dd, he is not loving and supportive, he is belittling you and trying to make you look bad in your dd eyes. He is trying to prevent you from parenting your children properly. Your reactions to your dd were entirely appropriate. She needs to learn to be careful with expensive equipment. If she went without one for a month she would be more careful when she got replacement. You know that is right yet he browbeats you trying to make you agree you were wrong. You say he does this regularly. He is a bully and emotionally abusive towards you. You sound just utterly exhausted and overwhelmed. You have two choices either you continue as you are or you ask him to leave. He won't change. You could give him another chance if he went to therapy but he has been doing it for 10 years so very hard for him to change even if he wanted to and he might still think he is right and so not want to change or even expect you to change. Do not apologise as you have done nothing wrong. Half term soon could you and children get away for a few days on your own. Go to see your Mum or someone you trust.

caringcarer · 07/02/2019 00:00

OP if you read your account and were told it was written by a person you loved and respected, a sister or friend, what would you tell them to do? He has manipulated you for so long you may not realise he is doing it.

showmeshoyu · 07/02/2019 00:08

you may not realise he is doing it
The sad thing is... he might not either. There are some behaviors I exhibited in the past that, after undergoing a lot of introspection, I realise were subconscious attempts to manipulate. They worked, I got the reward, they didn't stand out as being openly wrong and I didn't get called out on it... but having had some big changes in my life, it has given me cause to tear down what I do and understand why I do it and if it needs to become something healthier.

If course, option B is that he knows exactly what he's doing and you should run like as fast as a festival goer to a pristine portaloo.

Obviously, I can't begin to comprehend the level of misery he's brought you, but I wonder if a professional would be best suited even if it is indeed just to say "hell no, don't do counseling with this prat".

I agree with PP though, changing himself now is going to be a slog. I wonder if he's capable and willing?

greenberet · 07/02/2019 00:10

WHAT was his own childhood like - did he have a domineering mother - was his mother / father passive aggressive - my own Dd sometimes thinks I’m angry with her when there is something I feel strongly about and trying to get her to see a different perspective - I use a different voice apparently - I have to constantly tell her I’m not angry with her - and I’ve also given her a big hug too

Personally I think a month is too long - if it’s an accident really there should be no consequences - could it be hormone related with Dd?

THE BIT about managing everyone’s emotions - some people are particularly sensitive to picking up on non verbal signals -

You do sound very worn down - is there any other stress going on in your life - the gender thing? Where does this come from? YOu say He exhibits feminine traits when under stress - can you describe them?

I’m not sure if this behaviour is abusive/ controlling - it could just be that you are different sorts of people and under stress these differences will become more apparent.

greenberet · 07/02/2019 00:19

As to the undermining - did he say anything infront of Dd or was it only after she had gone to bed - could he have gone in to say goodnight to Dd and she said to him I think mummy’s angry with me - and that’s why he specifically asked you to say to her you are not angry

greenberet · 07/02/2019 00:29

You’ve also lied to your Dd - you told her the laptop was unrepairable but in truth you didn’t want to - this is unfair on your Dd

As I said some people can pick up very small nuances in behaviour - you may not think you are giving off any signals but you probably are.

Just think there is more going on than just this Op and I mean this kindly

PolkaDoting · 07/02/2019 00:55

Is it really that unreasonable to be angry that a child has broken something expensive?