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What does my wife mean by this?

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user685685865 · 06/02/2019 09:14

Dear Mumsnetters,

I’ve lurked for a while but would appreciate some advice. I’m after some different perspectives on what my wife of 10 years means by something she said.

Firstly, some context. She had an abusive upbringing, which has affected our relationship in lots of ways. We’ve had a fair amount of heartache to deal with, and we’ve supported each other as best we can.

She’s admitted that she was emotionally abusive towards me in the beginning, and I was too young really to recognise and push back. So many of our day to day patterns now are negative. She doesn’t trust me, and I’m scared of her. She’s very defensive, and I tend to retreat. We never really communicated properly.

I have made some mistakes. Last year I became good friends with a female colleague at work, and which, because I was scared, I didn’t tell my wife everything about. This friendship helped me realise why I was unhappy - and that I had been for a few years - and my wife and I started talking about it. It came out of the blue for her.

I didn’t lie exactly, but I withheld some details, and deleted some texts, for self preservation. We knew each others’ phone codes, and whilst I’ve never checked my wife’s, it turns out she was checking mine.

I understood my wife’s issue to be the secrecy of the friendship, not the friendship itself, so I tried to bring it out into the open. One weekend my wife and son were away (separately, she was on a uni reunion), so, in a misguided effort to put the friendship on a more normal footing, I asked my wife before she left whether she would mind if I asked my friend if she wanted to go out for a few beers that evening. My wife said yes, I think you should do it.

Big mistake. It turns out that it was actually a test - and I failed. I shouldn’t have gone at all. My wife now sees it as a betrayal, and this friendship as an emotional affair.

I don’t think it is, but have never dismissed her point of view. I was secret after all. But rather than turning away from the marriage, and seeking solace in another, I turned towards it - we’re now communicating like we never have before, and in some ways are closer than we ever have been.

It was my idea to try Relate, and it was helpful. We didn’t resolve all the issues, but we did create a bit of space and trust to be able to talk more rationally.

Fast forward to now. My wife cannot get past the drinks that summer evening. She sees it as the point at which I ‘changed her life forever and stopped caring about [her] and our family.’

We’re still talking about our marriage, what we want out of life and how we want to live it. Neither of us has made any firm decisions about the future - well I certainly haven’t, I want to make sure we’ve tried everything before calling it a day. I love her and want the best for her.

But today she said two things that troubled me. First, that she can’t show me love if she doesn’t know where she stands. And when I said she does know where she stands - ie we’re married, we love each other, but are trying to resolve our differences - she said that actions speak louder than words.

To my mind, she’s putting conditions on her love for me, and those conditions are related to how I act. So essentially, she’s saying she’ll only love me if I behave how she wants.

Is that right? All thoughts are welcome.

Thank you.

OP posts:
LinoleumBlownapart · 06/02/2019 09:22

You had an emotional affair with another woman. There seems to be a lot in this that is partly blaming your wife for that. If you're sure you want to continue your marriage I would give it more time, a year isn't that long when it comes to affairs.

GreenandBlueButterfly · 06/02/2019 09:32

I don't see what you had as an emotional affair. You were friends with someone of the opposite sex. I personally couldn't be with a partner who felt insecure about me having a friend

FlightOfFancy9 · 06/02/2019 09:35

Those texts must have been bad enough for you to delete them. I think you are seriously minimising. If you look at what has been going on honestly, you may have better understanding of your DW’s feelings.

I can see where she is coming from. You had a whole secret area of life going on. Involving a female colleague. You can call it ‘friendship’ all you like, but it’s clear from your post the type of the relationship (I.e. emotional closeness, sharing, openness of your heart where there should have been a boundary)

Sorry, but you just don’t want to admit it to yourself.

TheShiteRunner · 06/02/2019 09:37

I don't think you had an emotional affair. You should have told your DW about the friendship, but I can see why you didn't. The going out for drinks thing is ridiculous- You asked her ffs. You're her husband, you shouldn't be subjected to weird emotionally manipulative tests like this.
It sounds as if your relationship is very very unhealthy tbh. The "actions speak louder than words" thing means that she wants you to be different to now, but won't tell you how.

KittensAndCake · 06/02/2019 09:39

She sounds like hard work tbh.

GummyGoddess · 06/02/2019 09:39

What was in the messages you deleted? Personally I think her 'test' was ridiculous and she's using it to punish you for hurting her. That doesn't mean you're right, you're both wrong but in different ways.

Scott72 · 06/02/2019 09:40

@Linoleum we can't be sure if this actually qualifies as an "emotional affair". Yes there slight bit of dishonesty around the texts.

But how about where he asked her permission to see his female friend, his wife told him yes, then for the past several months has held this against him and constantly bought this as evidence of his supposed affair. This isn't healthy.

mooncuplanding · 06/02/2019 09:43

I too don’t think this was an emotional affair

If you’ve ever been in a relationship with a paranoid person then you would understand why OP would have deleted those messages. EVERY little thing turned into an accusation and drawn out forever and ever.

I think your wife just sounds hard work. You are clearly trying. Yet she is stuck in rage mode and unable to be rational.

Can’t think this marriage has legs

Riley73 · 06/02/2019 09:44

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ as it was posted in the wrong place.

hellsbellsmelons · 06/02/2019 09:47

I think you are probably minimising your emotional affair.
If you had to delete messages then they can't have been totally innocent.
That said, this isn't working.
Not for you or for her.
I agree that she is withholding her love for you until you behave exactly how she wants.
Has she had counselling regarding her abusive upbringing?
What has she put in place to ensure she doesn't emotionally abuse you any more?

You may love her but that might not be enough.
I think a trial separation might work in the interim.
See how you both feel after a couple of weeks apart.
It will help you one way or the other.

bsc · 06/02/2019 09:47

Riley- start your own thread so people see your post properly and advise.

bsc · 06/02/2019 09:48

But do NOT have children with him!

hellsbellsmelons · 06/02/2019 09:50

@Riley73 - this thread is for the OP for support.
Please do start your own thread and you'll get some proper support.
But for me, it's a LTB!
Why would you stay?
You aren't his mother.
And he keeps leaving his stuff because you eventually give in.
Please don't live the rest of your life like this.
His total lack of respect for you is obvious.

OP - I think you would both be happier apart

Doyoumind · 06/02/2019 09:50

It sounds like you are invested in making it work and she thinks you are the problem so she's not so invested. Perhaps she needs counselling on her own to understand her own motivations. Testing you was childish and then using it as a stick to beat you with is unfair and damaging.

SexNotJenga · 06/02/2019 09:52

OP, you stated that your wife was emotionally abusive towards you at the beginning of your relationship.
What is it that makes you think this has changed?

peekyboo · 06/02/2019 09:53

It's not honest to have an emotional affair but it sounds as if your wife's abusive behaviour isn't restricted to the early days of your relationship. Affairs are bad, marriages can also be bad. Think about what you were looking for in talking to this other woman. I expect it showed you how any kind of normal relationship might look.

Your wife let you fail her secret test and now feels she has something over you. It's a concrete act that she can refer to without end. There's nothing you can do to make it better. Someone with extreme reactions like this will never really let it drop

Have counselling for yourself and work through all the ways you are manipulated within your relationship. I seriously doubt the secret test was the first time.

Your wife's abusive past doesn't give her the right to pass it on to you for the rest of your married life. What would life look like without this constant struggle?

Bluntness100 · 06/02/2019 09:55

Clearly not an emotional affair, some people can't handle the thought of their spouse being friends with a member of the opposite sex, and can't see it as friendship, it's always an emotional affair to them,

Your wife clearly has some issues, if you wish to stay in the marriage, then I think you need to accept that she is who she is and she's unlikely to change, and yes she wishes you to behave in a way she deems acceptable, irrelevant of how unreasonable it is. To me she sounds very controlling.

Personally I couldn't go it, but I'm not you.

Miane · 06/02/2019 09:57

To my mind, she’s putting conditions on her love for me, and those conditions are related to how I act

But that is normal.

I adore my DH. We’ve been very happily married for 20 years.,But if he hit me, or cheated on me I’d leave him.

Love between adults is always conditional.

My love for my children is unconditional, my love for my DH is not.

It sounds like your wife thinks you either cheated on her, or were heading in that direction.

To be fair, a secret, ongoing relationship with a female colleague which included deleted texts and dishonesty - it’s hard to blame her.

You’ve lost your wife’s trust. It’s not an easy thing to get back.

It doesn’t matter if you think you are communicating better. You might well be, but the marriage won’t get back on track until she regains some faith in you.

mooncuplanding · 06/02/2019 09:57

My partner has female friends. Sometimes even spends the night with them because of the hobby he does.

I don’t check his phone and accuse him of being unfaithful.

You are allowed female friends and the fact you think you can’t speaks volumes about your relationship

tennisracquet · 06/02/2019 09:58

Are you able to go back to Relate?

Drum2018 · 06/02/2019 09:58

Sorry to say but I'd be long gone. She's playing mind games. She's admitted to emotionally abusing you previously. What has she done in order to stop this happening again? Has she been for counselling o address this on her own, or made any effort to work through her childhood issues? If not then she will continue this way. Having to hide your friendship as you were scared of your wife's reaction is not acceptable. In a healthy relationship this would not be the case. Take time out from the relationship to see if you really do love her. I'd say you might find you prefer the freedom of not putting up with her emotional abuse.

Kismetjayn · 06/02/2019 10:01

Don't let her use her abusive upbringing as an excuse!

You sound like me and STBX. Except I was the one with the abusive background, and he was the one acting just like your wife.

It took a lot of therapy for me to realise the way he was treating me wasn't okay. I'm still in the process of leaving. And I understand the need to delete texts because even though they were fine, your partner would see them as 'proof' you were cheating. This will not be fixed unless she wants to and gets help. STBX put it off and put it off but ultimately it was working too well for him to have me on eggshells so it's over. You can't live on eggshells for the rest of your life. And it enables her to continue in these negative patterns.

In my case, 'D'P said much the same things about an actual 'affair' he saw me as having. In reality, it was a former abuser of mine messaging me asking for pics and dirty talk over text. He knew this man was in his 40s and had been hassling me since I was a child. He knew I was a 19 year old when this man waltzed back into my life.

But because I didn't have his number blocked (I was scared!) it was an 'affair' and I was 'cheating on him'. And he 'couldn't get past that'. He held that over my head for four years before I finally clicked that actually I had nothing to apologise or make up for.

I'd got so used to not being able to have male friends, even ones I'd met in a childhood abuse recovery support group! I'd got so used to it being my job to apologise.

If she doesn't want to change, she won't. And she needs to. Possibly you do too, to deal with why you are so scared of upsetting her, possible codependence.

peekyboo · 06/02/2019 10:03

Being scared is your biggest red flag. You can think it through as much as you like, but a fear reaction points to her behaviour being abusive.

Karmin · 06/02/2019 10:12

Have a look at this

Juells · 06/02/2019 10:12

Your wife let you fail her secret test and now feels she has something over you. It's a concrete act that she can refer to without end. There's nothing you can do to make it better. Someone with extreme reactions like this will never really let it drop

^^ This. She shouldn't have said Yes if she was then taking it as rejection if you went. Why didn't she just say No? That was sneaky, she was trying to trap you. I'd never trust someone again who did that to me. You seem very passive though, you should push back a bit if you want the marriage to continue. Why didn't you say to her "Don't tell me I can do something then give me a Fail because I did it".

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