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What does my wife mean by this?

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user685685865 · 06/02/2019 09:14

Dear Mumsnetters,

I’ve lurked for a while but would appreciate some advice. I’m after some different perspectives on what my wife of 10 years means by something she said.

Firstly, some context. She had an abusive upbringing, which has affected our relationship in lots of ways. We’ve had a fair amount of heartache to deal with, and we’ve supported each other as best we can.

She’s admitted that she was emotionally abusive towards me in the beginning, and I was too young really to recognise and push back. So many of our day to day patterns now are negative. She doesn’t trust me, and I’m scared of her. She’s very defensive, and I tend to retreat. We never really communicated properly.

I have made some mistakes. Last year I became good friends with a female colleague at work, and which, because I was scared, I didn’t tell my wife everything about. This friendship helped me realise why I was unhappy - and that I had been for a few years - and my wife and I started talking about it. It came out of the blue for her.

I didn’t lie exactly, but I withheld some details, and deleted some texts, for self preservation. We knew each others’ phone codes, and whilst I’ve never checked my wife’s, it turns out she was checking mine.

I understood my wife’s issue to be the secrecy of the friendship, not the friendship itself, so I tried to bring it out into the open. One weekend my wife and son were away (separately, she was on a uni reunion), so, in a misguided effort to put the friendship on a more normal footing, I asked my wife before she left whether she would mind if I asked my friend if she wanted to go out for a few beers that evening. My wife said yes, I think you should do it.

Big mistake. It turns out that it was actually a test - and I failed. I shouldn’t have gone at all. My wife now sees it as a betrayal, and this friendship as an emotional affair.

I don’t think it is, but have never dismissed her point of view. I was secret after all. But rather than turning away from the marriage, and seeking solace in another, I turned towards it - we’re now communicating like we never have before, and in some ways are closer than we ever have been.

It was my idea to try Relate, and it was helpful. We didn’t resolve all the issues, but we did create a bit of space and trust to be able to talk more rationally.

Fast forward to now. My wife cannot get past the drinks that summer evening. She sees it as the point at which I ‘changed her life forever and stopped caring about [her] and our family.’

We’re still talking about our marriage, what we want out of life and how we want to live it. Neither of us has made any firm decisions about the future - well I certainly haven’t, I want to make sure we’ve tried everything before calling it a day. I love her and want the best for her.

But today she said two things that troubled me. First, that she can’t show me love if she doesn’t know where she stands. And when I said she does know where she stands - ie we’re married, we love each other, but are trying to resolve our differences - she said that actions speak louder than words.

To my mind, she’s putting conditions on her love for me, and those conditions are related to how I act. So essentially, she’s saying she’ll only love me if I behave how she wants.

Is that right? All thoughts are welcome.

Thank you.

OP posts:
Croeso78 · 06/02/2019 16:12

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad great post, you did the right thing! Do you have children?

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 06/02/2019 16:56

@SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad, what an excellent post, thank you for taking the time to write it. OP, please listen to the voice of reason !
I wish you both well, peace of mind, you'll agree, is a wonderful thing.

Bluntness100 · 06/02/2019 17:09

Gosh great post there from single dad.

And a point you make, about tests you can't pass, I think this is true in this case, if the op had cancelled the drinks she'd have taken it as evidence that it was an affair and something inappropriate, but going also was a fail. There was no way to win, other to never have suggested it in thr first place, to not have that friend, but then if it wasn't that,it would simply have been something else.

user685685865 · 06/02/2019 17:36

Thank you to everyone for their views, they’re extremely helpful.

To fill in a few blanks. The texts I deleted were familiar, close to flirty, but not romantic or sexual. But they weren’t messages I was comfortable in my wife seeing, because they did show a level of intimacy with someone else that wasn’t her.

Most of the information my wife knows, I’ve told her, either voluntarily or when she’s asked. It’s not like she’s found out from someone else. The rest of the information came from her reading my notebooks that I made to try and process all this.

Whether this constitutes an emotional affair is where we’re stuck. I’ve since left the company, but have kept the friendship going, albeit more at a distance.

I didn’t know the term existed until my wife mentioned it. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not minimising it - even though I don’t think I’ve had one, we approached Relate on the basis that I did. So I’m prepared to accept my part in this mess - the secrecy, the me being somebody different to what she thought. I understand why she feels betrayed.

I agreed to tell my wife when I met my friend, then when that wasn’t enough, agreed to only meet her without alcohol, and now, she wants me to cut off all contact. She’s objected to the occasional phone call - again, only after I’ve told her about them.

Friendships with female friends have always been awkward for me during our relationship. I’ve let all of them go over the years, because, well, I was scared, passive and didn’t want to fight.

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad - your post is very close to the mark for me. My wife hit me before we got married, and I only said we’d get married if she underwent counselling, which she’s been on for most of our marriage.

I can never remember not having the feeling of treading on eggshells, trying to spot the next trap.

Thank you all again.

OP posts:
spellingtest · 06/02/2019 19:19

Slightly misplaced Dad's advice is absolutely spot on. Alarm bells started ringing for me when I read that you were scared of her. That is no basis for any relationship. I fear that your hope for a happy marriage may be unattainable and for your own sanity and future I would phone the helpline recommended as a first and urgent step. The problem lies with your wife. You can't fix it for her. Emotional abuse is real and if she has physically abused you before and you are fearful that is no life to lead.

Ask her to seek help. If she refuses get out....

chillpizza · 06/02/2019 19:28

You honestly need to separate. Neither of you will be better together your stuck in this thunk she won’t get better while with you and you will continue to fee shit while with her.

She believes you had an emotional affair so she won’t ever trust you again even if she could fix herself she wouldn’t trust you so would still be stuck. You would’ve forever living on eggshells trying to prove an innocents for something that never happened and was only in her head.

She can be fixed if she wants to be and you can lead a normal life just not together.

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 06/02/2019 19:33

@user685685865 ultimately, mate, the decision about what to do here has to be yours. Everything you've added in your latest update simply adds to the picture. This is a deeply entrenched pattern of behaviour for her.

Please, for a minute, set aside the guilt she has you feeling about this one friend. Think about all the others you've let go over the years, in order to keep the peace. Surely you weren't having an "emotional affair" with all of them?! This isnt about that one friend. It isn't about you "betraying" her. That's not your voice. It's hers.

She has had 10 years of counselling to get past these issues. And you're still scared of her. She's still controlling and manipulating you. 10 years. If it isn't better after 10 years, it isn't getting better. Think ahead another 10 years. 20 more after that. Can you go on living this way?

If you want to talk some more with someone who has been there, feel free to private message me. I understand the whirlwind of conflicting thoughts you have going on in your head, and I'm sure as hell not going to judge for a situation I've lived. No pressure....but it's an offer if you want to take it. There's, sadly, not much professional support out there for guys who are going through this, so we have to stick together!

Thanks to others for the kind words about what I wrote. @Croeso78 I have two amazing daughters, aged 14 and 11 (she'd probably tell me I have to say nearly 12). 50/50 residence arrangement. Leaving their Mum was the hardest decision I ever made. But it was very right - this house is now full of laughter. Still, I will always be watching their relationship with their Mum for signs of her turning her fire onto them. Right now, things can be rocky between them....but it's generally working. And the three of us are very happy.

NotANotMan · 06/02/2019 19:41

I tend to think that affairs are contextual and when you've lived with an abusive partner an affair is a very different matter. Perhaps it was an affair, it probably was, but the point is that you're living in an abusive relationship and you need to take action to get yourself out of that.

ISmellBabies · 06/02/2019 19:50

How a perfectly innocent smile and "good morning" to an acquaintance at the school gate can be taken by your partner to indictate that you are having, or planning, an affair.
Er, it wasn't a smile and a hello, it was discussing the op's unhappy marriage, secret texts whivh then got deleted, and now we have the drip feed that it was also meeting the woman for alcoholic drinks!! That's not walking on egg shells! That's taking the blatent piss.

mooncuplanding · 06/02/2019 20:04

now we have the drip feed that it was also meeting the woman for alcoholic drinks!!

Sure, all of us who have partners must never consume an alcoholic drink with the opposite sex ever.

Grow up. I go for 'alocholic drinks' with my work colleagues all the time. And some of them are MALE!

What a pearl clutcher you are, desperate to see the worst in men

rvby · 06/02/2019 20:11

The emotional affair stuff is a red herring.

Your wife has form for assaulting you.
She puts you to tests without your knowledge.
She holds things over your head to control and punish you.

You could be chronically unfaithful and that would still make her behaviour wrong, even criminal tbh.

You need to get out.

My exdh was very like your dw. I feel for you. Its absolutely crushing being with someone like this.

MattFreisWeatherReport · 06/02/2019 20:48

This is such an odd thread and definitely one of those ones where I'd like to hear the other side of the story.

If I posted that my DH had a female friend he'd been moaning to about me, and that he'd been texting her and on his own admission had deleted a few 'because he knew this is how I'd react', and if he'd then met up with her for a drink on the one night when I was away, I'm pretty sure I'd have a couple of hundred OWs, LTBs and it's-not-looking-greats within the hour.

I guess it's all in the delivery.

Changedname3456 · 06/02/2019 22:06

MattFriess - well you’d certainly have had a hundred ltb’s once you revealed he’d hit you.

OP this is not a healthy relationship. Probably not for your DW either. If ten years of continuous counselling hasn’t stopped that walking on eggshells feeling then couples counselling via Relate will be like farting into a Force 10.

LizzieSiddal · 06/02/2019 23:41

I can never remember not having the feeling of treading on eggshells, trying to spot the next trap.

Gosh this is just heartbreaking.

Please stop looking at your behaviour and whether or not you’ve had an emotional affair. Look at her behaviour and what a devastating affect it’s had on your life. You need to get out of this marriage.

MitziK · 07/02/2019 01:19

You're unhappy and scared of her.

If you leave, you'll have the freedom to meet people who aren't abusive and never have to delete a text from fear.

user685685865 · 08/02/2019 17:29

Thank you for all the posts.

Please can I check one more thing. My wife must have got my friend’s number when she was checking my phone last year. I changed my code about six months ago, so she’s sat on it for a while.

My wife rang my friend today out of the blue to, it seems, to check my version of events. They’ve never met or spoken before.

Am I right to think this is bang out of order? I’m so angry I’m speechless. But I might have lost perspective - I don’t know what’s normal and acceptable anymore.

OP posts:
MitziK · 08/02/2019 17:40

Completely out of order.

You are definitely better well out of it.

Italiangreyhound · 08/02/2019 18:30

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad well done for getting out of a toxic relationship. And giving good advice.

user685685865 your wife was wrong to hit you, abuse you, cause you to walk on egg shells and to ring your friend.

Let's face it, she doesn't trust you, and she probably never well.

I'd suggest she gets some counselling and you look at your options for separation.

mooncuplanding · 08/02/2019 19:28

She's totally out of order

If my partner did that it would be an instant dismissal

Actually, my ex-h did do that and I was a bit like you - totally embarrassed, really angry and very confused.

I know better now. Not normal.

Caucho · 08/02/2019 20:06

Alcoholic drinks heaven forbid. If the I smell babies poster is married or in a relationship I feel so so sorry for the other half

Decormad38 · 08/02/2019 20:11

I go for drinks with male friends all the time. It’s no big deal. Your wife has some trust issues and you are frightened of her. Some fairly big issues to work through.

Italiangreyhound · 08/02/2019 20:13

ISmellBabies "and now we have the drip feed that it was also meeting the woman for alcoholic drinks!!"

The alcoholic drinks are there in the opening post...

'...I asked my friend if she wanted to go out for a few beers that evening. "

Caucho · 08/02/2019 20:13

Also you say you were too young. Is she significantly older than you or at the time when you got together? Doesn’t have to be a huge age gap but it can seem a huge difference if for instance someone is 18 and the other is 25 from a maturity level. What I’m reading into is you got into the relationship young and have never had any alternative experience. As an older person I’d say the shit you’re dealing with is not normal and don’t be gaslighted into it. It’s not an EA unless there was some sexual tension but I’ll forgive you even if there was. If you have done wrong it’s not as bad as her abusing you for most of you adult life

reallemonade · 08/02/2019 20:18

She is abusive. She sounds very controlling, you are scared and walking on eggshells. Life doesn't need to be like this, there are plenty of decent women out there who wouldn't do this to you.

MonsterTequila · 11/02/2019 00:27

Yes OP that was bang out of order for her to call her. This actually has nothing to do with your friend. It’s all about her controlling you & seeing how far she can push your boundaries. LTB.

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