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TRIGGER WARNING SEXUAL ABUSE. My mum stayed with my stepdad after finding out about abuse - an update!

62 replies

GunpowderGelatine · 27/01/2019 14:02

Firstly, sorry for the essay. Some of you will be familiar with my story as I’ve posted about it for some time on MN, and have been given amazing support and advice. I have always said I'll check back in and and I have an update.

To recap a little - my mum married my stepdad when I was 4, and on a few occasions as a child he touched and rubbed my private parts and once tried to put his penis in my mouth. I was six years old at the time. There are a few other memories of sexual abuse I have.

Then when I was 16 until I was 19 and left for Uni, he sexually harassed me on a daily basis. This includes:
⁃ exposing himself to me regularly
⁃ Standing naked masturbating in the hallway when I came out my the bathroom (he must have been listening for when the shower went off)
⁃ Talking “dirty” to me through the walls of my room
⁃ Putting the adult channels on my tv so they were there when I turned it on
⁃ Offering me money for sex and leaving sex toys in my room

Some of the above even happened when my mum was in the house, and is only a tiny proportion of what he did. I cant begin to express how utterly terrified I was for 3 years in my own home. I was rarely in the house, I spent a lot of time with friends. And I never told anyone for fear of being hurt by him or not being believed.

One day my mum told me she knew what was going on. She’d seen him grab my bum in the kitchen one day and saw me look upset. She confronted him and he confessed to the harassment (but played it down and lied about how long it was going on for). She said she was going to leave him, that it was over etc. It wasn’t, she stayed, and it was never spoken about for years (but the harassment did stop) and after I left for Uni they moved abroad.

In the years following she really tried to push a father/daughter relationship on to me WRT stepdad. She even forced me to let him give me away on my wedding day, which ruined the day for me, I can’t even look at pictures. She emotionally blackmailed me into buying him birthday and Christmas presents. It’s like the abuse never happened.

Then I had my DD. And my mum sent personalised presents with “gran and grandad” and talked about how SD was so excited to meet ‘his granddaughter’. It turned my stomach, and when DD was a few weeks old (she had met her by then, he hadn’t) I emailed her to say that he will never ever meet my daughter, under any circumstances, and that I’m furious at both of them for the abuse and the minimising and pretending it never happened. She replied to say she understood and still thought about it but doesn’t like to talk about it. The next day she was hospitalised with a “heart episode” and I felt terrible as I felt I caused that. But I’ve stuck to my word he has never met DD nor my DS who came along 3 years later.

A few years later when I was pregnant with DS she left him and moved back to the UK - not because of what he did to me but because he said she was turning into her mother, that was apparently the final straw Hmm when she came back, i had grown a lot more confident and realised none of the abuse was my fault, and my mum staying with him doesn’t mean that what he did was no big deal. So I started talking about it with her, I wanted answers and explanations. She kind of spoke about it with me but would often throw her hands to her face and say “I just can’t speak about it it’s too much” despite me practically begging her to engage with me on this. I told her about the abuse in child hood (she never knew before, she only thought I was harassed as a teenager) and told her everything that I remember he did in later years.

After living back in the UK for about 4 months (he was begging her to return BTW) she went to visit a friend down south and took her dog (this is relevant). her friend who lived abroad called her to say that her (the friend’s) husband had died suddenly. Mum booked a ferry back to attend the funeral and rang us to ask if we’d come and collect her dog and watch him til she got back. We said no - I was heavily pregnant with a very high risk pregnancy and it would have been a 6 hour round trip. Plus DD was only 3 and the dog was old and didn’t like children and had a tendency to bite. She refused to put him in kennels So she took the dog back - and never returned. Went back to her husband (though insisted at the time they weren’t together, she was just there to help sell the house).

We basically after this went back to square one - stopped talking about the abuse, pretending it didn’t happen again and never mentioning it. She talks about him all the time like it’s normal to be with a man you know is a paedophile. It sounds stupid but my mum intimidates me and it’s not as easy to confront her on issues as you might think.

I started counselling after this, and realised I needed, if not closure, at least answers, explanations and apologies. For the first time I considered going to the police.

Well she went back to him 2 years ago now, and she just visited this week. I mustered up the courage on her last night to say “I NEED and deserve answers from you both, I will not spend the rest of my life in distress because you two would rather pretend it didn’t happen, you both owe me this”. After about 30 seconds she dropped the bombshell that, abut 18 months ago, she tried to kill herself in her garage using the car and exhaust. And of course hero stepdad came to the rescue, pulled her out and gave her a good talking to 🙄 I did suspect that like the “heart episode”, she would have something saved for me which is another way of saying “you can’t be too mean to me because then I’ll hurt myself/have a heart attack/kill myself.”

I repeatedly pulled the conversation back to the abuse, and she just circled round to make it about her every single time. Seriously should could win an Olympic gold medal in narcissism. For example at one point she said “it’s all my fault it happened I should have known what he was doing”, I replied that I didn’t think I’d be believed so didn’t tell anyone and that isn’t her fault - and mentioned that maybe if it happened now, what with #metoo and Time’s Up etc I would probably have the bravery to speak out. She said “well yes it’s a bit like me as a teenager my mother was so nasty to me, these days kids can speak up say something” then started to talk about her mum and how awful she was Hmm. Then when I said I can’t believe she could go back to a paedophile, how can someone do that she said “I know, I often wonder how someone could kill themselves but I tried to” Shock. Every single sentence was rebutted with a “me me poor me” statement.

I finally pinned her down and asked “why did you go back to him, how can you do that to me?” and she was crying and saying “I just can’t explain, I’m not good with words” and other vague answers.

But in the end she revealed: it’s MY fault! When she was back in the UK, she didn’t feel she saw us much (we went round once a week) and she was disappointed because she asked numerous times if she could babysit DD and we always said no (I don’t let my kids be looked after by paedophile apologists thanks, thought that was obvious). Then she WOULD have come back to the UK had we looked after her dog, but the journey back was so hard on him she couldn’t face driving back so she HAD to stay. So if I had been a better daughter she wouldn’t be with him now, she’d still be in the UK.

I said actually I think we both know you were always going to go back, you’d done it before. She said when she found out the first time what he was doing she didn’t realise it was that bad, she thought he was just “being a bit letchy” with me. I said you should STILL leave a man if he’s being letchy with your daughter. She cried some more and said when she gone she’s going to have to call her therapist again as she can’t handle all this.

So my mum stays with my abuser because we didn’t look after her fucking dog.

She also said being with him means she doesn’t have to work but can buy what she wants - I said I can’t believe any pair of shoes of material lifestyle is worth being with a man like that and there are plenty on non-paedophiles who would work while she didn’t.

I’m broken, and hurt. Despite me saying I wanted an apology, she didn’t give me one. I told her my therapist said how strong i have been through this whole thing and that really seemed to piss her off, that I’d been paid a compliment. She just said “hmm ok”. I never ever went to the police because I knew it would destroy my mother to see her husband arrested and questioned. I just couldn’t do it to her. Now I’m thinking who the fuck am I even protecting by keeping it quiet? Two people who don’t give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves.

DH says he will drop the kids off at his mums and take me to the police station today to file a report and will hold my hand throughout. I have written down years ago a document of all the abuse I suffered (it took me ages to even acknowledge it was abuse and not him “just frightening” me which is what my mum calls it). I don’t know what I expected when I asked her for an explanation. But I feel even worse than ever.

OP posts:
SpiritedLondon · 27/01/2019 14:29

Your mother is never going to acknowledge this.... she made a choice..... she chose a comfortable life with him. In her head she created her own version of events in which she minimised what was going on to justify staying. This is not unusual. She doesn’t want to look back at that time and be confronted with the truth because then she will need to own her own behaviour and that is clearly too uncomfortable. No apology under these circumstances is going to be heartfelt and to me it’s a waste of time pursuing one... she’s choosing an easy comfortable life over your well-being.
Now you need to do what’s right for you irrespective of what will be painful to your DM. If that means going to the police then please go ahead and do that. You will be taken seriously. You cannot be made responsible for your mother’s behaviour - she has made her bed and she can bloody well lie in it.

NotTheFordType · 27/01/2019 14:29

holy
fucking
shit.

Your mum is a massive cunt.

Dumbie · 27/01/2019 14:32

I'm so so sorry that you have been through so much. You have a great deal of strength despite all Of this and your meant to be able to trust your mum to back you up.

Your mother truly ought to be ashamed.

I have a little understanding on how horrible it is. I had a similar experience with my mother's bf. It's the absolute betrayal by my mother that affects me more than the abuse.

I think the way your mother has behaved is appalling and I hope this is one step closer for you to close the door on your experiences.

Can you go NC? I've gone low contact with mine and would go NC if I could.

Flowers
Elllicam · 27/01/2019 14:39

What Ford said. I’m so sorry your mum is so awful.

DustyMcDustbuster · 27/01/2019 14:42

Oh dear God, OP! I’m horrified at both the abuse & your mother’s continuing minimising of it.

Are you going to report it to the police?

My heart goes out to you, and I hope that somehow you are able to move forward.

FWIW, I have NC with my ‘D’F and limit contact with my narcissistic ‘D’M to birthday & Xmas presents. No calls. I have never felt so relieved as when I thought about never seeing her name show up on my phone again. For me, NC is the only way.

CheekyFuckerHQ · 27/01/2019 14:42

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I think going to the police is a very good idea.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/01/2019 14:48

I hope you manage you go to the police today. Your DH sounds lovely and supportive so you have a clear opportunity to do what it best for you

Good luck

AnneLovesGilbert · 27/01/2019 14:52

You are so very brave and strong. You’re a great mum for keeping your own children safe and you sound like you have a wonderful husband. Go to the police. You’ve survived so much and you sound ready to seek justice for what happened to you as a vulnerable child.

Your mum is a monster, he is unspeakable and you’ve been banging your head against a wall trying to get her to really hear you and she’s just not going to.

Keep up the counselling and lean on your husband. A gentle hug from me, you’re doing yourself and your children proud Flowers

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 27/01/2019 14:54

I’m so sorry love. The woman who bore you is a shameful excuse for a mother and it doesn’t sound like she will ever face up to her part in the abuse you endured. Horrible, horrible woman.

Tyrionsbitch · 27/01/2019 14:54

Wow. I have no words! Definitely report to the police, you are not responsible for how you mum feels or for her actions when he gets in trouble for this... It is all down to him and his actions.

ecuse · 27/01/2019 15:04

I think if reporting him feels right to you now then you should 100% go for it. Sounds like you've been incredibly strong and your mum has just effectively removed the last roadblock you might have perceived to doing so.

Sassypants82 · 27/01/2019 15:09

I'm so sorry that this happened to you and that your mother facilated it.

You sound absolutely amazing, brave and mature and an excellent Mother.

I like to think, I'd I were you, I'd absolutely go and report that filthy paedophile without a seconds hesitation. You deserve closure & he deserves his punishment.

I can't help thinking of a woman I know who finally went to the police to report childhood sexual abuse to find out her abuser was wheelchair bound & very unwell. She didn't proceed and he died soon after. It's been very difficult for her to not get that closure. I think, to be listened to, believed and know that his actions have have finally had repercussions would really help your recovery.

It's not your responsibility re what will happen to your Mother when he goes to prison. She has never considered your welfare in all this time.

Heartofgoldheadofcabbage · 27/01/2019 15:14

*NotTheFordType

holy
fucking
shit.

Your mum is a massive cunt.*

^THIS!

proudmummywife · 27/01/2019 15:17

Your so called mother is a selfish horrible bitch. I'm sorry you have went through this.
He is a monster we all know this but your mother is the devil. A mother is supposed to protect you and fight for you tooth and nail but she is a narcissist selfish hateful spiteful vindictive witch. Dont ever try to protect her she is not the victim. YOU ARE!
If the law was right she would be prosecuted too for supporting a dirty paedophile.
Do what you need to do to heal and recover. This is the worst betrayal I have ever red Flowers

Handprints2018 · 27/01/2019 15:18

She is no mother. You are a mother, you protected your children from this piece of filth. She was nothing, did nothing to deserve the title.

She encouraged and enabled the abuse, and its all about how bad she has had it? Completed psychopath. No empathy. No compassion . No drive to protect her child or grandkids.

You are very strong, good luck if you go to the police. The filth deserves far far worse then that. Your mother does too.

Cardiffclare88 · 27/01/2019 15:52

I haven’t read your full post OP but just wanted to send you a hug and Flowers

I was also abused by my dad. When I worked up the courage to tell my mum (as an adult) and she told me she’d known but didn’t think she could do my hand couldn’t leave him. I haven’t spoken to her since. I couldn’t imagine how she could do that to me and make that choice, and now that I’m a mum it is utterly beyond me.

Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 27/01/2019 16:01

Police.
And block her in every way en route.
Flowers
You are a wonderful dm.

And a very strong woman.

TougheningUp · 27/01/2019 16:16

A few years ago, I reported the man who had sexually abused me to the police. I found it very positive and helpful: the police were hugely supportive and reassuring at every stage, and were horrified by my mother's involvement in the abuse (it was our family GP who abused me and my sister. We told our mother but she didn't change doctors because she was having a sexual relationship with him and didn't want that to end). The police said our mother was culpable in the abuse, and that she would have to be questioned too. In the end she wasn't, as we discovered the man had died a few weeks before I reported him, so nothing happened. But it was still a good thing to do.

I hope you find the courage to tell the police every detail that you can remember, and that you get the same support I got.

MyThirdEye · 27/01/2019 16:19

My mum is a minimiser too, when it comes to my pain. We both had a horrible time at the hands of my abusive father. She can see her own pain in the situation but can't ever see mine. Even when school called my parents in when I was 13 to ask if things were ok at home, they both made excuses and blamed my low moods on hormones etc.

Your mum is never going to change. She is an enabler because it suits her to be. You sound really strong though, you are so brave for speaking your truth at last!

You sound like you could be on the cusp of reporting your stepfather and going NC with your mother - I for one would be cheering you on all the way!

MitziK · 27/01/2019 16:37

I can't promise you will feel healed - but actually reporting it will feel different. Especially as you will also be able to have it recorded that she has denied it, ignored it, blamed you and tried to whitewash over it on multiple occasions.

Her reaction is irrelevant and unimportant. What matters is YOU, whether she ends up in hospital or not more likely she's lying in any case about all of it

Travisandthemonkey · 27/01/2019 16:45

I think sadly it is very common for people to simply not want to see it acknowledge these situations and then not wanting to deal with their part in it and then to make it all about them.

But none of this is your fault, thank god you didn’t end up like your mother. And that you’re a stronger person all round.

People find it very easy to put their fingers in their ears and just pretend it’s all ok. I really don’t know how their own nightmares don’t eat away at their souls.

Lizzie48 · 27/01/2019 17:08

I'm so sorry you went through what you did, OP, but you're a lot stronger than you know to be going to the police. Your mum let you down in the worst possible way and she's not going to stop minimising it all now. It's good that you have the support of your DH and MIL now. 

I've been through very similar to you, but it was my F (and others) who abused me (and my DSis as well); the difference is that my DM didn't know what was going on. The hard thing for us is that the reason she didn't know was that her mind was always on other things and she was very distant towards us when we were growing up (we were mostly brought up by au pairs).

@Travisandthemonkey you're very right about the non abusing parent making it all about them. That's my mum completely; if ever I bring up the past, she cries and says she can't cope with it. She'll tell me or DSis not to talk about it, as she doesn't want us spoiling her time with her DGC.

BaconPringles · 27/01/2019 17:48

Your mother facilitated it. She too, is an abuser

mogulfield · 27/01/2019 19:01

Bloody hell, please read your post back Op. You have to go NC now. She's evil, and your toxic relationship will only cause unhappiness. Imagine if your daughter said someone was abusing her, and tried to put their penis in her mouth... would you stay? It's just unbelievable.
Oh and go to the police. The nasty cunt deserves it. (I have never used that word online before).

I suffered neglect and emotional abuse growing up and am NC with my parents. I had a year of grieving where I felt sad but now Im much much happier.

Misshaversam · 27/01/2019 19:08

Go to the police. You will never get any kind of apology that could ever justify what happened to you. Your mother has minimised it and has pretty much dismissed it. Unbelievable.
You owe it to yourself and your own little family to gain some sense of justice and eventual closure on what can only be described as an horrific childhood. You are very brave OP.

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