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TRIGGER WARNING SEXUAL ABUSE. My mum stayed with my stepdad after finding out about abuse - an update!

62 replies

GunpowderGelatine · 27/01/2019 14:02

Firstly, sorry for the essay. Some of you will be familiar with my story as I’ve posted about it for some time on MN, and have been given amazing support and advice. I have always said I'll check back in and and I have an update.

To recap a little - my mum married my stepdad when I was 4, and on a few occasions as a child he touched and rubbed my private parts and once tried to put his penis in my mouth. I was six years old at the time. There are a few other memories of sexual abuse I have.

Then when I was 16 until I was 19 and left for Uni, he sexually harassed me on a daily basis. This includes:
⁃ exposing himself to me regularly
⁃ Standing naked masturbating in the hallway when I came out my the bathroom (he must have been listening for when the shower went off)
⁃ Talking “dirty” to me through the walls of my room
⁃ Putting the adult channels on my tv so they were there when I turned it on
⁃ Offering me money for sex and leaving sex toys in my room

Some of the above even happened when my mum was in the house, and is only a tiny proportion of what he did. I cant begin to express how utterly terrified I was for 3 years in my own home. I was rarely in the house, I spent a lot of time with friends. And I never told anyone for fear of being hurt by him or not being believed.

One day my mum told me she knew what was going on. She’d seen him grab my bum in the kitchen one day and saw me look upset. She confronted him and he confessed to the harassment (but played it down and lied about how long it was going on for). She said she was going to leave him, that it was over etc. It wasn’t, she stayed, and it was never spoken about for years (but the harassment did stop) and after I left for Uni they moved abroad.

In the years following she really tried to push a father/daughter relationship on to me WRT stepdad. She even forced me to let him give me away on my wedding day, which ruined the day for me, I can’t even look at pictures. She emotionally blackmailed me into buying him birthday and Christmas presents. It’s like the abuse never happened.

Then I had my DD. And my mum sent personalised presents with “gran and grandad” and talked about how SD was so excited to meet ‘his granddaughter’. It turned my stomach, and when DD was a few weeks old (she had met her by then, he hadn’t) I emailed her to say that he will never ever meet my daughter, under any circumstances, and that I’m furious at both of them for the abuse and the minimising and pretending it never happened. She replied to say she understood and still thought about it but doesn’t like to talk about it. The next day she was hospitalised with a “heart episode” and I felt terrible as I felt I caused that. But I’ve stuck to my word he has never met DD nor my DS who came along 3 years later.

A few years later when I was pregnant with DS she left him and moved back to the UK - not because of what he did to me but because he said she was turning into her mother, that was apparently the final straw Hmm when she came back, i had grown a lot more confident and realised none of the abuse was my fault, and my mum staying with him doesn’t mean that what he did was no big deal. So I started talking about it with her, I wanted answers and explanations. She kind of spoke about it with me but would often throw her hands to her face and say “I just can’t speak about it it’s too much” despite me practically begging her to engage with me on this. I told her about the abuse in child hood (she never knew before, she only thought I was harassed as a teenager) and told her everything that I remember he did in later years.

After living back in the UK for about 4 months (he was begging her to return BTW) she went to visit a friend down south and took her dog (this is relevant). her friend who lived abroad called her to say that her (the friend’s) husband had died suddenly. Mum booked a ferry back to attend the funeral and rang us to ask if we’d come and collect her dog and watch him til she got back. We said no - I was heavily pregnant with a very high risk pregnancy and it would have been a 6 hour round trip. Plus DD was only 3 and the dog was old and didn’t like children and had a tendency to bite. She refused to put him in kennels So she took the dog back - and never returned. Went back to her husband (though insisted at the time they weren’t together, she was just there to help sell the house).

We basically after this went back to square one - stopped talking about the abuse, pretending it didn’t happen again and never mentioning it. She talks about him all the time like it’s normal to be with a man you know is a paedophile. It sounds stupid but my mum intimidates me and it’s not as easy to confront her on issues as you might think.

I started counselling after this, and realised I needed, if not closure, at least answers, explanations and apologies. For the first time I considered going to the police.

Well she went back to him 2 years ago now, and she just visited this week. I mustered up the courage on her last night to say “I NEED and deserve answers from you both, I will not spend the rest of my life in distress because you two would rather pretend it didn’t happen, you both owe me this”. After about 30 seconds she dropped the bombshell that, abut 18 months ago, she tried to kill herself in her garage using the car and exhaust. And of course hero stepdad came to the rescue, pulled her out and gave her a good talking to 🙄 I did suspect that like the “heart episode”, she would have something saved for me which is another way of saying “you can’t be too mean to me because then I’ll hurt myself/have a heart attack/kill myself.”

I repeatedly pulled the conversation back to the abuse, and she just circled round to make it about her every single time. Seriously should could win an Olympic gold medal in narcissism. For example at one point she said “it’s all my fault it happened I should have known what he was doing”, I replied that I didn’t think I’d be believed so didn’t tell anyone and that isn’t her fault - and mentioned that maybe if it happened now, what with #metoo and Time’s Up etc I would probably have the bravery to speak out. She said “well yes it’s a bit like me as a teenager my mother was so nasty to me, these days kids can speak up say something” then started to talk about her mum and how awful she was Hmm. Then when I said I can’t believe she could go back to a paedophile, how can someone do that she said “I know, I often wonder how someone could kill themselves but I tried to” Shock. Every single sentence was rebutted with a “me me poor me” statement.

I finally pinned her down and asked “why did you go back to him, how can you do that to me?” and she was crying and saying “I just can’t explain, I’m not good with words” and other vague answers.

But in the end she revealed: it’s MY fault! When she was back in the UK, she didn’t feel she saw us much (we went round once a week) and she was disappointed because she asked numerous times if she could babysit DD and we always said no (I don’t let my kids be looked after by paedophile apologists thanks, thought that was obvious). Then she WOULD have come back to the UK had we looked after her dog, but the journey back was so hard on him she couldn’t face driving back so she HAD to stay. So if I had been a better daughter she wouldn’t be with him now, she’d still be in the UK.

I said actually I think we both know you were always going to go back, you’d done it before. She said when she found out the first time what he was doing she didn’t realise it was that bad, she thought he was just “being a bit letchy” with me. I said you should STILL leave a man if he’s being letchy with your daughter. She cried some more and said when she gone she’s going to have to call her therapist again as she can’t handle all this.

So my mum stays with my abuser because we didn’t look after her fucking dog.

She also said being with him means she doesn’t have to work but can buy what she wants - I said I can’t believe any pair of shoes of material lifestyle is worth being with a man like that and there are plenty on non-paedophiles who would work while she didn’t.

I’m broken, and hurt. Despite me saying I wanted an apology, she didn’t give me one. I told her my therapist said how strong i have been through this whole thing and that really seemed to piss her off, that I’d been paid a compliment. She just said “hmm ok”. I never ever went to the police because I knew it would destroy my mother to see her husband arrested and questioned. I just couldn’t do it to her. Now I’m thinking who the fuck am I even protecting by keeping it quiet? Two people who don’t give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves.

DH says he will drop the kids off at his mums and take me to the police station today to file a report and will hold my hand throughout. I have written down years ago a document of all the abuse I suffered (it took me ages to even acknowledge it was abuse and not him “just frightening” me which is what my mum calls it). I don’t know what I expected when I asked her for an explanation. But I feel even worse than ever.

OP posts:
eddielizzard · 27/01/2019 19:15

Bloody hell. I do think police and NC. What a huge amount you've been through, and to have no support through that. She's a sorry excuse for a mother. She, nor your step dad are worth protecting. And who are you protecting them from? His other victims? What he does is illegal and he should be held accountable.

Good luck. You have your own family to think of now. You KNOW this isn't your fault. Not one bit of it.

UnderMajorDomoMinor · 27/01/2019 19:27

OP that is absolutely, harrowing hideous. How dare that paedophilic criminal do that to you.

You must do whatever will help you but if you go to the police we will all be there with you in spirit.

I am awed at your strength.

StandUpForYourRights · 27/01/2019 19:39

Fucking hell, she does not deserve any loyalty or thoughts from you.

She does not deserve to be called a mother.

I really hope you find the courage to go to the police. It may help you find the closure you need.

Lizzie48 · 27/01/2019 19:47

I agree with PPs that you should go NC with your mum, you and your family will be so much better off without her in your lives. Or very low contact if that's as much as you can cope with right now.

I'm very low contact with my mum and it's so much better for me and my family that way.

CrabbityRabbit · 27/01/2019 20:35

I hope your trip to the police was positive. YWNBU to go NC with your awful mother.

bobstersmum · 27/01/2019 20:53

Your mum is as evil as he is and this is really awful but she should bloody kill herself, right after she's killed him.

Renarde1975 · 27/01/2019 21:44

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Right OP. You are strong. Far, far stronger than even YOU are aware of. Im in fucking AWE of you. But what to do?

Not for me to say. I've had the exclusuve pleasure of going into a rape suite and video recording my own rape and sexual assault. It was hard. Fucking hard. Outcome? Wont press charges.

So the choice on whether a person reports or not HAS to stay with the survivour. Only they can judge if it's something they need to do.

thisgirlwantsmore · 27/01/2019 22:50

Oh darling I could of written this. I did go to the police and she, in her ignorance probably worked on his defence in court. He went to jail and has been given a huge sentence. She got a tough tough time in court and still wouldn't acknowledge what she had done. I decided I had to break contact. I just couldn't keep torturing myself with her in my life. I think I'm better for it

thisgirlwantsmore · 27/01/2019 22:53

And what @Dumbie says my mother's betrayal affected me so much more than the actual abuse

another20 · 27/01/2019 23:15

Your mother confessed that she knew what was going on. From the day she first realised this, every single abusive act thereafter she facilitated - as she could have stopped it immediately.

She is vile - she allowed her child to be sexually assaulted, degraded and terrorised daily in her own home.

To add insult to injury she makes herself the victim. She is 100% complicit.

Please go to the police so that you can get the closure you deserve. Go NC with your toxic “DM”. Both of these actions could free up some headspace and bring a level of finality and freedom for you.

Ozziewozzie · 27/01/2019 23:16

Firstly OP, you are blooming amazing to be so together, and intact as a wife, a mother and a daughter.
I completely understand why you've tried and tried to get your mother to acknowledge your perspective. It's like a drug, you just can't get hold of. It's insulting, hurtful, mind boggling and so friggin frustrating for you, do you keep trying....one last time....
Your mother is never ever going to acknowledge to you the extent of what's happened, or her actions. You have to acknowledge this yourself and I'm confident by reporting the pair of them you will finally feel a little closer to that. I'm sorry to say, your mother is as guilty as he is. She's allowed this to go on to her daughter, her child.
You should be incredibly proud of yourself. You've protected your lovely children, you've shared your story, ( maybe inspiring others to report these sickos too to save others)
Just know, that when night time falls, your children will be safe and having lovely dreams because of you. They won't be scared to close their eyes or walk out of the shower. That's because of you. You've given them a home.
You're a remarkable woman.

safetyfreak · 28/01/2019 06:29

That woman is not your mother. She is a monster just like him.

Well done for going to the police.

Worrynot1 · 28/01/2019 12:49

Its ok to never see your parents again , did this with my farther because of his bullying and deviant behaviour.

Pinkmonkeybird · 28/01/2019 13:16

It breaks my heart to think you've gone through all this. How any parent could allow it, knowing it was happening is beyond me. I had a friend whose step-father was found to be abusing her and her brother when we were younger 9/10 years old. Their mother stood by the father and my friend and her brother were taken into care. Some women are despicable and don't see beyond their own selfish needs.

You have done everything right, by protecting your children from these bastards. I hope it went well with the police and you can be rest assured you have a whole lot of people here who are behind you in spirit. xxxFlowers

Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 28/01/2019 17:03

I have been nc with dm for many years. It really is quite liberating op.
You can so this.

HellsBellsAndBatteredBananas · 28/01/2019 17:22

Op, I confessed to my mum that her husbands best friend had raped me several times. I only told her as she was about to get my baby sister christened and he was going to be a god parent. She said I must have encouraged it. Maybe he was drunk. I was a bit of a slut (!). She couldn't deal with it with the party being so close.

It was brushed under the carpet, they minimised contact for a few weeks and then were best friends again. I had to watch my sister go to their house for sleepovers and it killed me. I ended up drinking, doing drugs and loving on with the first abusive wanker that would take me. Thankfully after a 2 kids and whole bunch of beatings I found a good man and he gave me the time and patience and love to allow me to save myself.

10 years later I found out that they had been visiting him in prison, they said he was in for tax evasion. Turned out that he had been coonvicted off raping his step daughter ( the girl I was baby sitting) every day from the age of 7-17. My husband knew what had happened to me, he knew from day one. I went to the police and it is the best thing I ever did. It did not go anywhere, I made several statements and it is being kept on file in case anybody else comes forward.

That little bit of action on my part saved me. I told my side and was listened to with compassion and they believed me. They supported me by doing what my own mother should have done when I was 15 and let me get all the poison out and into the open. I felt like a weight had been lifted.

Please, please consider it. You deserve to not have to carry this anymore. It was not your fault.

If you ever want to talk you are welcome to PM me.

Pipotle · 28/01/2019 17:46

OP from your posts I see a massively desire for that connection with your mother, for her to validate your experience and to prioritise you over your abusive stepfather.

I'm really sorry OP but that is never going to happen. It may be too painful for her to even consider how monstrously she has treated you. But she is still prioritising her own feelings over yours, and will continue to do so, even if your stepfather is convicted.

I wish you luck on your journey of healing, and with the police.

CatnissEverdene · 28/01/2019 17:53

I think you need to accept that your mother is never going to say sorry she let this happen.

And for that reason alone, I don't think you can stay in contact. She's utterly toxic and brings no good to your life.

Focus from now onwards on your DH and your DC and the good in your life not the bad. You're an amazing person and they aren't worthy of you Flowers

Haffiana · 28/01/2019 17:59

My heart really goes out to you OP.

If it helps you to go NC with your mother, then think of her as she is. A pimp. She has sold her daughter for money.

Girlofgold · 28/01/2019 18:37

Holy god. You are a strong woman op. I'm sorry your mum is not. If you can, please go to the police. My grandfather abused my mum. I overheard when I was young and was distraught. She didn't stop us being around him and he didn't abuse us. But it was such a confusing on off situation in our extended family where it was acknowledged, then ignored as if it never happened, then brought up again. He's long dead, she's dead. We encouraged her to talk about it before her death and she found it cathartic. I can't help but think the ignoring by her family made it all worse. I'm still "defending" her to those with their head in the sand and saying I believe her. Awful. You deserve the clarity, but it won't come from her.

RedLife · 28/01/2019 18:51

*You must do whatever will help you but if you go to the police we will all be there with you in spirit.

I am awed at your strength*

This is brilliantly put. Sending strength op.

RedLife · 28/01/2019 18:58

Ozziewozzie

Couldn't have put it any better. What a wonderful thing to say.

Please op take strength from this thread, we're all here behind you. You are incredible. Flowers

DownTownAbbey · 28/01/2019 19:08

Your mother is a broken, gutless shell of a human, more interested in her own comfort than in her child's pain. I wish I could give you a magic pill or wave a magic wand and stop you from caring what the vacuous cunt thinks. You deserve acknowledgement. But then you deserve a decent human as a mother, too. Flowers

WomanWithAltitude · 28/01/2019 20:08

It's awful, but I can only echo what others have said. You won't ever get an acknowledgement or an explanation from your mum. She isn't capable of giving you one, and she made her choice a long time ago. You need to cut contact, or at least reduce it drastically.

redexpat · 28/01/2019 20:12

Dog or no dog she was always going back to him. Nothing you could say or do would change that.

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