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Should I call off the wedding?

107 replies

Clove86 · 04/01/2019 13:01

Im desperately looking for some advice/support.

Im due to get married this May, in an overseas wedding. As its overseas, the majority of our guests have already booked and paid for their holiday, which makes this decision even more difficult.

My fiancé is lying to me about money. Its happened twice before, and the previous time, I told him, if it happens again, I'll have to end it...and it has.

Basically, I am responsible for all of the monthly bills etc, as he is terribly irresponsible with money. We finally worked things out so that everything would be in my name, and he would pay me his share which is half of everything each month. It was working relatively well, until August last year, when we went on holiday (actually, to visit the venue of our wedding). He was due to be paid from his job whilst we were there. He was spending a lot on both of us whilst there, and I kept reminding him about the bills payment that would soon be due. Suddenly, he came out with this story that he unfortunately hadn't been paid as a huge chunk of his wages had been taken by the tax office, so, surprise surprise, he did not have enough to give me his share toward the bills. I was absolutely furious, but he just kept insisting it was not his fault and there was nothing he could do about it. I needed up having to cover his share until the following month when he finally paid me back in dribs and drabs. I suspected that he was lying, but he insisted it was true. I barely spoke to him for that entire month as was so angry, and told him he should have had savings in place for situations like this, and that it was unfair to put me in that situation. Once he finally paid me back, he insisted that it would never happen again.

Fast forward to December. My fiancé told me that he was getting paid half of his wages before Christmas, and half after, on the 28th December (which is the day he usually pays me). He seemed to be spending much more freely than usual over the Christmas period. I asked him a couple of times for reassurance that he would pay his share on the 28th, and he almost got annoyed at me for asking. Sure enough, on the 28th, there was no wages. He told me it must be a mistake, but there was nobody there in the office to contact, so he would have to wait until new year to sort it out. On the 2nd January, I insisted he call to see what was going on, as he seemed reluctant (which started my alarm bells ringing). He suspiciously instead on going outside to call. After a few more ridiculous lies about the person responsible for the wages being away from their desk etc, he later told me that day that the same thing had happened again, the tax office had taken the exact amount he was due to be paid, and there was nothing he could do about it.

I'm not an idiot, I just knew immediately he was lying. There is no proof of it, no letter, and frankly I do not believe a word of it. To make matters worse, he was supposed to be paying half towards the wedding hair and makeup today (I paid the first half months ago) and I've had to start the new year broke as I've had to cover his share yet again. I have held off from paying his share of the hair/makeup as I do not even know if I should waste my money paying towards a wedding that may not now happen! I have not spoken to him since as I really do not know what to say or do.

As I write this, I know how ridiculous it sounds and if I was reading this, I would say get rid of him! But aside from this issue, everything else has been good. In principle, I feel like I cant be with him any more, but I feel so trapped. How would I even go about cancelling a wedding abroad when everyone has already booked? Should I end the relationship or give him yet another chance? Im so hurt he has done this to me, and I feel completely and utterly disrespected. I don't even want to tell any of my close friends or family as I feel they would be annoyed after paying so much to come to our wedding.

Has anyone else been i this situation, or have any idea what I should do? Im devastated he's put me in this position :(

OP posts:
Echobelly · 04/01/2019 14:21

I would cancel the wedding, but not necessarily leave him. Maybe if you set some strict rules, like saying that if he wants you to stay together, all money has to come through you for the foreseeable (and obviously if you start that arrangement and the relationship ends, you will return control and his half to him)

Sometimes with issues with money, drugs, drinking etc the person can both truly love their partner but still lie and lie and lie again to cover the problem that has a hold of them. Perhaps he is in earnest about sorting this out if helped, or maybe he doesn't care enough about you to get on top of it, so give yourself some time to find out, rather than committing to the wedding.

I agree with maybe making it a holiday with friends if people have trouble backing out. Just apologise to them after telling DP and say there are some things you need to sort out first (or that it's over if DP really takes exception to the conversation).

I think when talking to him you have to ask him to be honest about where the money goes and whether he is in debt, and be clear this is his one chance to get matters straight, and no more lies.

BumbleBeee69 · 04/01/2019 14:23

if you have to enforce Strict Rules on a grown mans money, before you get married, remember he will be entitled to half of everything in your name WHEN it all goes horribly wrong. You cannit trust him period.

BlueUggs · 04/01/2019 14:34

I would send a letter (or email) to your attendees telling them you’ve decided to cancel the wedding but inviting those who cannot refund their trips, to join you for a group holiday at the (would-have-been) wedding location instead.

^^this.

PragmaticWench · 04/01/2019 15:07

Leaving feelings aside, the bottom line of marriage is that it is a legal contract to be financially joined. No different to a business contract. You are agreeing to fully trust your marriage partner with your finances, trust them not to screw you over either intentionally or due to a flaw in their character. That trust is essential, as is their ability to be responsible with your assets.

Do you trust him financially? Do you believe he won't lie again? Do you believe he'll be responsible with his and your assets?

If not, then despite loving him, I don't think you should financially tie yourself to him.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/01/2019 15:15

Do not give him any more chances, it sounds like you've given him more than enough of those already. This relationship is well and truly over in any case now due to his lying behaviours. Such men do not change and he will bleed you dry and not just emotionally either.

It matters not that everything is booked, I would turn this into a holiday for your family and friends and cancel the wedding now. You certainly cannot marry him now knowing what you do about him and he is not the man for you.

He will continue to make you pay and not just financially either, you have carried and otherwise enabled this man at great emotional cost to you. You need to answer to your own self why you have done this at all because it has not helped him or you for that matter. There is really nothing to stop him doing this again to you either.

Dirtybadger · 04/01/2019 15:23

Don't marry him!

Whether you want to stay and accept no marriage, etc is a separate issue but I wouldn't be owning property or marrying someone who can't manage their money and will actively lie about it (some people have valid reasons for struggling with financial planning but lying isn't excusable and makes it 10x worse).

NotTheFordType · 04/01/2019 15:35

Oh OP, you know what you have to do.

If people have paid non-refundable flights and hotels, then go out there with them and have a bloody party. An "I'm So Glad I'm Not Marrying A Lying Piece Of Shit Who Thinks I'm As Stupid As He Is" party!

BumbleBeee69 · 05/01/2019 02:54

what did you decide to do OP ?

PeaQiwiComHequo · 05/01/2019 03:21

you definitely mustn't marry him. everyone who is sane and rational who was planning to come will agree that it is best not to marry in this situation. anyone who disagrees and resents you is the sort of person who thinks their opportunity to attend a nice event is more important than your long-term wellbeing, and therefore their opinion should be ignored.

I agree the destination holiday can go ahead if you wish. indeed any guest that wants to can still have the holiday they paid for - or some may have options to reschedule depending on their booking T&Cs. You marrying someone who is clearly not suitable to be married, (by being dishonest and untrustworthy) is not a sensible thing to do to avoid waste.

just send a message to every guest saying "please accept my sincere apologies for the inconvenience but although it was lovely of you to accept the wedding invitation and book to come to (destination) for the event, I cannot now marry (STBX name). This is due to his repeated serious dishonesty, lying to me about various large sums of money on several occasions. I am sure you will agree it is a bad idea to get married as unfortunately this means that our relationship is doomed. I am intending nevertheless to enjoy the booked and paid-for holiday to (destination) and if you choose to join me it will be a pleasure to spend some time with you there. of course if your insurance and booking terms allow you to cancel with a refund or reschedule to something you would prefer, please feel free to choose that. thank you for your understanding."

N3wDiary19 · 05/01/2019 03:27

You have not said one positive thing about the person you are supposed to be marrying. You can't trust, the lies, lack of money. No romance, no plans for the future. So NO don't marry this person. Cancel everything

Tattybear16 · 05/01/2019 04:14

Do not setup a joint account with this man, it will allow him access to further loans and debt, which you will be liable for. My ex emptied 2 joint bank accounts, and had taken out a further loans before I realised what was going on. I was very naive, and didn’t think he would do that to me and the kids. But the warning signs were there. If he’s not prepared to have a serious discussion about finances and provide evidence for where the money has gone, then you know what you have to do.

You will be living the rest of your life living to work to pay off debt, whilst he’s continuniing to live above his means.

Doobee · 05/01/2019 04:51

I couldn’t marry somebody who had lied to me. Deal breaker. Postpone the wedding.

sofato5miles · 05/01/2019 04:59

Call off the wedding. Sunk cost fallacy is holding you back.

LaughingCow99 · 05/01/2019 06:10

Please think long term. How will you ever relax? You will always be waiting for the next conversation where he has no money , backed up by some ridiculous lie.

Is it possible he has a gambling problem? Might explain the carefree big spends.

I think get out now. Your family and friends will understand.

Angrybird345 · 05/01/2019 08:20

Call it off! People can still go on holiday there, or cancel, but call it off! Don’t marry him!

Koko12 · 05/01/2019 08:35

I think the fact that you’re even asking the question tells you the answer...trust your gut.Financial responsibility is a massive must in a relationship - not only is your partner irresponsible with money but he seems to have no issue with lying to you about it.Those are 2 big reasons.No one will blame you for cancelling the wedding once you explain why.If you go through with it I predict you will just be signing up to more of the same shitty behaviour.
Btw I offer this advice as someone who cancelled her wedding last year with less than 5 months to go at a loss of around £5000. No one judged me for it and friends and family were very supportive and commented on how brave I was for doing the right thing rather than just forging ahead with the wedding. Good luck x

Thankssomuch · 05/01/2019 08:54

Apologies if I’ve posted twice but in case not, OP my advice is to be brave and manage a difficult short term situation now rather than face serious long term difficulties by marrying this guy, who you already know will not work with you to establish the financial security you need for a happy life together. Don’t expect him to change.

Cowgirljess · 05/01/2019 09:28

It won't get better, would he be reliable if you did the same to him? Or if you had kids or hell, could you live with this the rest of your life? Call it off, the sooner the better. People will understand if you broke up, they'll just make a fun holiday out-of it!

EarringsandLipstick · 05/01/2019 09:40

Oh OP I had shivers down my spine reading this.
I was you - and like PPs, unfortunately I married him.
He was crazily irresponsible with money before we married, in a way that didn’t make sense - money would literally flow through his fingers, with nothing to show for it & it wasn’t anything obvious like gambling/drinking.
Anyway after being married it got worse & worse, defaulted mortgage payments, huge credit card bills, me endlessly bailing him out. But yes, you nailed it, it’s the dishonesty.
After a 17 year relationship, 10 year marriage, 3 small children, I was broken (as well as broke).
5 years separated and not sure I’ll ever recover.

It’s very harsh, and I’m so sorry you are in this situation but don’t marry him. He will not change. This will destroy you in time.

The lies, the lies, the lies - that’s the part. Bad with money - lots are & can work it out with their partners as they are honest. He will never do this.

I’m so sorry.

JingsMahBucket · 05/01/2019 09:49

Don’t marry him. Call off the wedding but still go on the trip with your friends and family like a vacation. Do not shackle yourself to this man. Flowers

Racecardriver · 05/01/2019 09:49

Don’t marry him unless he has some kind of redeeming feature that makes up for the fact that he will end up bankrupt. I experienced something similar when my husband had a mental break down. It’s caused a massive amount of stress for me.

LynetteScavo · 05/01/2019 09:59

If I was a guest and had booked to go away for your wedding I'd rather find out you were splitting up now than 6 months after the wedding.

I don't think you should let how this might affect guests taint your decision. You either want to marry him or you don't, and it seems you don't.

HollowTalk · 05/01/2019 10:03

Oh my god, who suggested getting a joint account with this man?! That's the last thing she should do.

bethy15 · 05/01/2019 10:06

I still don't know why so many people throw so much money they can't afford on a wedding.

But anyway, you're setting yourself up here for a lifetime of being his mother with finances or worse, perhaps you'll end up in masses of debt under both your names if he cannot control his own spending and money.

UnicornSlaughters · 05/01/2019 10:07

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I live my life by it.