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Husband's job is killing us

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December24 · 19/12/2018 22:04

I can't cope any more. He can't handle his job any more and it's killing us. We've discussed all possibilities of changing jobs, changing hours, rearranging our lives, and nothing will result in everybody being happy. Apart from winning the lottery and quitting work, of course.

His job is better paid than mine, but will never make him a millionaire. Mine is highly specialised but lower paid, and I went part time when we had kids. It'll be impossible for us to financially manage if we swapped and he went part-time, and he's not convinced he'll be significantly less stressed with fewer hours. A career change is possible, but he has no idea what he would want to do. Me going full-time and him staying at home also wouldn't be financially viable.

One of the problems is, I think he's beginning to resent me and resent my life. I love my job, and I'm good at it, so although I'm pressured at work, it doesn't stress me out too much. I also don't bring work home, whereas he works at home five nights a week at least. I do all the household stuff because he's busy. He deals with finances and does childcare pick up and drop off on my working days. That's his only time with the kids all week, and he's now saying he doesn't want to do it any more so he could stay at work. He's saying he wishes he'd known how much hard work three kids would be and maybe re-thought family plans. Well, I'm sorry for accidentally getting pregnant with twins, and I was the reluctant one when it came to having more than one child. He was keen, I was much less so. He thinks my days not in work and days off for me. They're not. With school runs, food shopping, washing, entertaining toddlers and other household stuff, they're really not.

I have more flexibility with annual leave, and although I cover all childcare gaps and most kids sick days (he can't really take leave, his holidays are at specific times) because I save some days for emergencies, I get the occasional one to myself if those emergencies don't happen. He hates that and never lets me forget it, to the extent I've considered not telling him I've got a day off and leaving for work as normal and then doing whatever I like. But I don't like deception. I've told him to take himself off for a weekend away to recharge, but no. He needs a fortnight to recharge, which is obviously impossible.

I don't know what to do any more. He resents me, he resents my job, he resents that I gave us more children than planned. I can't ever be ill or tired, because if I say I am, it's all "welcome to my world." I know his job is stressful, I know he feels ill more than he should do, but I feel that me and the kids are being forgotten in all his problems. He's angry, on edge, disengaged and it's like walking on eggshells. We barely speak in the evenings because he's just incapable. Or unwilling, I'm never sure which.

I know I made the vows, and I said for better or worse, but surely that comes with a caveat of feeling like you're actually in a marriage. I don't. It's like sharing a flat with someone who you've ended up having pets (children) with whose care you have to share. Nothing more. I don't want my marriage to end, but I can't see a way through these problems. But splitting up wouldn't solve anything either.

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December24 · 19/12/2018 22:05

Sorry, essay....

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pallasathena · 19/12/2018 22:07

You need marriage counselling. And you need it now.

Fairylea · 19/12/2018 22:08

Either he has serious clinical depression (my dh does) and needs proper medication and help, and time off work sick to recover OR he’s basically selfish and having a bit of a tantrum.... either way you can’t be expected to just carry on like this. I feel for you, I’m not sure what the solution is but if he’s totally unwilling to either get help or change jobs then maybe you’d be happier single?

Musti · 19/12/2018 22:09

Could you look at relocating somewhere cheaper and him retraining? Is there anything else he could do with his skills?

Annandale · 19/12/2018 22:13

So this can't go on as it is.

You have got to stop fighting each other. He is miserably unhappy and stressed out of his head. Yes, all the things he has said are deeply unfair, perhaps designed to make him feel he's not the only miserable one - it's working. Try not to be defensive. Yes, you are lucky. Lucky to be good at your job, to enjoy it, to have the occasional day to yourself. These things are not wrong. I'm sure he would like the same. Can you say to him that you'd like him to have a life that's just as good?

He is going to end up ill, or is ill already. All solutions feel impossible to him at the moment. Can you say that you love him and want him to be happy? Suppose he had a year out. In most professions you can keep registration going for a year, if he's professional, or can frame it as a career break on a CV. Could you possibly scrape by for that time, if he could work immediately afterwards (so six months off, six months job-hunting?) If you go full time, if you get a career development loan, stack the children in one room and rent one out, something, anything? What's the financial gap? Could you move somewhere where rents are cheaper?

LadyPasserine · 19/12/2018 22:23

Calm down...please just calm....

You are both in the wrong jobs, that is abundantly clear to me. You are not going to win the lottery and he won't get a bonus of £1 let alone £1m. His resume is weak and I can see you know him inside out. Stop that way of thinking and engage with real life now.

He is emotionally immature. He needs to step up and be a good partner and parent. That may need him to give up his accountancy or financial career and may riches in other ways.

And you need to accept that also.

surlycurly · 19/12/2018 22:27

This is what destroyed my marriage. My ex had a one man pity party all the time, accompanied by a constant meanness and anger about any demands I placed upon him (like coming home on time so I could work). I offered a hundred solutions and he didn't take any of them. He just worked and worked and forgot about everything else. It was very depressing. In the end I just couldn't take any more and asked him to leave. I'm so bloody glad I did!

RitaFairclough · 19/12/2018 22:29

Is he a teacher? If so, maybe it isn’t the job that is the problem but the school? Could he look for new jobs in a different environment? Try the private sector if he is in state? Or a special school? Or focus on a different area of teaching?

Having something to do that could improve his life might help him feel more positive.

December24 · 19/12/2018 22:34

I think he is ill. I've suggested he see a doctor several times, but he doesn't believe in it. He doesn't believe in depression. He had some counselling himself a couple of years back as his temper was starting to scare me. He went once, decided it was pointless. Possibly I should have pushed the issue then. I'd be happy to get some marriage counselling, but he thinks it's a load of rubbish.

Relocation - not sure that would work. We don't live somewhere hugely expensive, and we don't have an OTT house or anything. It's an ok house, but nothing big or flashy, and there's not much cheaper.

Career change - yes, if it works, I think this would be a good option. Maybe he can't see the wood for the trees, but he can't think of anything he wants to do. So until he does, we're a bit stuck.

Changing my hours is possibility, and I'd be happy to work more hours if that would help, and if my employers would agree, which they might. We're both in agreement that once all kids are in school (a year to go) we'd like them to not be in full-time before and after-school care, as long as it's financially viable, which it is in several changed scenarios we've discussed. He even suggested I give up work so he could not do any childcare stuff in the week and have more time to get his work done. But it seems totally skewiff that I'm the one to give up the job I'm highly trained in, isn't very transferable and I actually enjoy to enable him to do a job that makes him miserable.

He loved his job. Loved the thought behind it, had good reasons for starting in this career. It's just what it's become that is making him miserable. He's looking out for different jobs to see if a change of scene might help. It's possible that some of his current stresses may not be there in a different organisation. Not guaranteed, but some he could find out about at an interview.

And yes, he's a teacher. I hope not all teachers are like him. Frankly, I don't want my kids being taught by people like him. And neither does he.

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LadyPasserine · 19/12/2018 22:34

He is not a teacher Rita , read the thread. OP is materialistic using the phrases she does. Derren Brown would have a field day.

LadyLapsang · 19/12/2018 22:34

I think you need relationship counselling. If you split up you might benefit in some ways, not living with someone who resents you, but you won't have him to take and collect, you will have to fund two homes etc. Maybe he should go on a long holiday, DH has always had a hobby holiday, not ideal for you, but if it helps it may be worth considering.

LadyPasserine · 19/12/2018 22:36

Wow...he's a teacher. Cross post. Sorry Rita . In that case OP you need to rethink your position big time.

Loopytiles · 19/12/2018 22:41

If you split up, which seems likely, would he do any parenting?

He is U to refuse to seek help for his mental health, and to behave in a had tempered way with you.

How much do you each actually earn at present? Why can’t you reduce your outgoings?

LadyLapsang · 19/12/2018 22:42

So, does he tend to do a lot of work in the holidays? Or is he looking after the children while you work?

Annandale · 19/12/2018 22:43

Yes I thought he was a teacher too. There are options. I'm not a teacher so won't say what they could be, but unfortunately there are lots of 'what else can I do as a teacher' threads on MN, maybe he could look at some of these. He won't though, as he sounds ill.

Does he ever get fed up with people who aren't teachers telling him how to teach or being sure they know what the problem is with teaching/education/his work? Why on earth is he so sure he knows better than the entire medical profession? Could you take him to the GP and say what you think is going on? He sounds classically depressed to me, but I'm not a doctor either. Book a double slot if you can. I doubt counselling for him or you will work yet without a great big slug of medication to lift his mood to the point of being able to function, but who knows. Is he self-medicating with alcohol or drugs in any way?

I agree entirely that you shouldn't give up work, I think that's the wrong thing to do while you are both in crisis.

Why is he so unconvinced that fewer hours would reduce his stress? I know more than one teacher who works either in a job share or part time simply so that they can 'only' work long full-time hours, as it were - they work and get paid 3 days so that they can work 5 days but have the weekends off. Why wouldn't that help for him?

Waddsup12 · 19/12/2018 22:44

I'd pretty much force the issue. You can't live like this.

Drogosnextwife · 19/12/2018 22:45

LadyPasserine

What are you on about? Few too many wines?

DomesticAnarchist · 19/12/2018 22:49

I knew he'd be a teacher from the "works 5 nights a week".

Teaching broke my DH too. He went off sick with stress and fortunately found a new job.

I'm still a teacher. And was still FT till this year.

Your DH shouldn't discount the impact that going PT has on the enjoyment of the job. Going to 0.8 has revolutionised my life. I thoroughly recommend it. And the pay cut wasn't anything like as drastic as I'd imagined.

Get on to https://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk to check the difference. For us, the reduction in pay was nearly equivalent to the saving of one day's childcare.

But it's the reduction of workload to a just about reasonable level that has been the life changer.

If he won't go off sick (I wouldn't either, I should have, with hind sight, but I'm stubborn) he should at least explore the details of going PT.

Good luck.

Namenic · 19/12/2018 22:51

Plan an escape route out of the job. This may involve saving up in case it gets too much and he wants to quit - then u have some time to apply for different positions. Once you have a potential escape route it’s easier to cope day to day.

LizzieSiddal · 19/12/2018 22:52

I think I’d have to give him an ultimatum.
Marriage guidance or what looks like the end of your marriage.

He can’t carry on being so resentful of you. It’s his job which is the problem, not you!

HollowTalk · 19/12/2018 22:53

I guessed he was a teacher right from the beginning.

If I were him I'd look at getting out. He sounds a bit daft saying he doesn't believe in depression - would he say that to one of his pupils? If so he's definitely in the wrong job! He should be looking at other jobs he could do - teachers' pay is okay but not so outstanding that he wouldn't get the same elsewhere. He needs to change his attitude so that he's thinking "This time next year I'll be doing something different" - otherwise he'll end up alone and in a job he hates.

December24 · 19/12/2018 22:56

LadyPasserine I don't understand how we're both in the wrong job. Mine is something I qualified for that I like doing and does contribute financially, it's not a vanity job to keep me amused. I also don't know what materialistic things I've said. I've talked about various options not being financially viable,but that's it. We don't have massive outgoings, we don't have an expensive home, we don't have holidays abroad or car that's anything more than a cheap to run one.

No, no self medicating going on. I'm pretty sure I'd know. I'd be shocked if there was and he's hiding it.

In school holidays he does some childcare, but we do use holiday clubs sometimes so he can do a bit of work and have a bit of a break.

If we split up I think I would have to stop working, or else have a very radical change of job. I don't want to split up though, I don't think I'm ready for that. There's a good man underneath all this, I'm just trying to get my thoughts straight.

I think I'm going to try for compressed hours,and see if I can work from home part of the week, thus take some of the child picking up pressure off. Working from home isn't possible in my exact position, but might be able to do a sideways move into something slightly different.

He believes in depression in other people. But it couldn't possibly happen to him, oh no. And anti-depressants don't work apparently. Neither do painkillers for headaches, no point taking them. Despite the fact he gets tons of them caused by stress.

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MrsPworkingmummy · 19/12/2018 23:00

I'm guessing he's a teacher?? I pity your husband actually, the job is emotionally draining, hugely stress inducing and if you're in the wrong school, completely dehumanising. If you don't do the job, you won't understand how horrendous it can be. He needs support, and fast. If he's English or Maths in secondary, he will be particularly under pressure. Could he quit and go on supply? Could he get the union involved and go for a compromise agreement to get out?

sakura06 · 19/12/2018 23:03

I guessed he was a teacher too. Part time is fantastic. Honestly. Jobs aren't that easy to come by but he definitely needs a change. Would his current school let him go part time? Changing schools or sectors might be beneficial too, as others have advised.

Dogsmellssobadbob · 19/12/2018 23:03

Don’t give up your job- you lose a piece of you that you enjoy, financial independence and skills and given your relationship is rocky that is a really bad idea.

Does he spend time with you and kids as a family during the holidays? Or is it all about marking and catching up?

Sit him down and tell him he is miserable and stressed but him Resenting the bits of your life that Male you happy doesn’t help either of you.

There are always options even when it feels like there aren’t

Could he see a careers coach?
Depending on subject he could tutor or leave teaching altogether and move into industry etc.

Anyway you can’t go on as you are and if he constantly refuses to make any Significant changes or seek help to address his problems then leave. Neither you nor your children will thrive alongside his misery.