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Husband's job is killing us

78 replies

December24 · 19/12/2018 22:04

I can't cope any more. He can't handle his job any more and it's killing us. We've discussed all possibilities of changing jobs, changing hours, rearranging our lives, and nothing will result in everybody being happy. Apart from winning the lottery and quitting work, of course.

His job is better paid than mine, but will never make him a millionaire. Mine is highly specialised but lower paid, and I went part time when we had kids. It'll be impossible for us to financially manage if we swapped and he went part-time, and he's not convinced he'll be significantly less stressed with fewer hours. A career change is possible, but he has no idea what he would want to do. Me going full-time and him staying at home also wouldn't be financially viable.

One of the problems is, I think he's beginning to resent me and resent my life. I love my job, and I'm good at it, so although I'm pressured at work, it doesn't stress me out too much. I also don't bring work home, whereas he works at home five nights a week at least. I do all the household stuff because he's busy. He deals with finances and does childcare pick up and drop off on my working days. That's his only time with the kids all week, and he's now saying he doesn't want to do it any more so he could stay at work. He's saying he wishes he'd known how much hard work three kids would be and maybe re-thought family plans. Well, I'm sorry for accidentally getting pregnant with twins, and I was the reluctant one when it came to having more than one child. He was keen, I was much less so. He thinks my days not in work and days off for me. They're not. With school runs, food shopping, washing, entertaining toddlers and other household stuff, they're really not.

I have more flexibility with annual leave, and although I cover all childcare gaps and most kids sick days (he can't really take leave, his holidays are at specific times) because I save some days for emergencies, I get the occasional one to myself if those emergencies don't happen. He hates that and never lets me forget it, to the extent I've considered not telling him I've got a day off and leaving for work as normal and then doing whatever I like. But I don't like deception. I've told him to take himself off for a weekend away to recharge, but no. He needs a fortnight to recharge, which is obviously impossible.

I don't know what to do any more. He resents me, he resents my job, he resents that I gave us more children than planned. I can't ever be ill or tired, because if I say I am, it's all "welcome to my world." I know his job is stressful, I know he feels ill more than he should do, but I feel that me and the kids are being forgotten in all his problems. He's angry, on edge, disengaged and it's like walking on eggshells. We barely speak in the evenings because he's just incapable. Or unwilling, I'm never sure which.

I know I made the vows, and I said for better or worse, but surely that comes with a caveat of feeling like you're actually in a marriage. I don't. It's like sharing a flat with someone who you've ended up having pets (children) with whose care you have to share. Nothing more. I don't want my marriage to end, but I can't see a way through these problems. But splitting up wouldn't solve anything either.

OP posts:
bastardkitty · 20/12/2018 05:37

He doesn't want help with his depression and won't engage with it. Time for action by the OP. He's quite comfortable ruining family life and not addressing his own problems.

Monty27 · 20/12/2018 05:38

Remind him that marriage and family is not a competition. But you need to be in the same team.

BogstandardBelle · 20/12/2018 06:26

I guessed a teacher too - I’m married to one as well. We aren’t exactly in your situation but I recognise the ongoing pity-party / depression that brings down the entire family. I work so hard - at a or job and doing everything in the house - to help him have a good life outside work, and it’s never enough.

I don’t have any advice, I’m sorry. Some men are so strongly conditioned to man up and tough it out. Getting DH to go to a dr to talk about depression is a non starter, I’d really have to hit rock bottom at home to push him into that.

WhiteDust · 20/12/2018 06:46

I was going to post 'Is he a teacher' and I can see he is.

It's not personal OP, he's depressed.
Is he main scale or management?
I'm guessing he's main scale or middle management if he's working non stop. He will have class after class and very little planning time.
Senior management don't break out in a sweat where I work. They pass their own job on down the line.
I could be wrong in your DH's case, every school is different.

He's resenting you and your job because he's knackered, depressed, stressed and is stuck. It's a bloody awful job sometimes.

WhiteDust · 20/12/2018 06:49

BTW, telling him to 'man up and tough it out' is an insult.

WhiteDust · 20/12/2018 06:53

Another thing! Remember that it's the end of term!!
ALL my teacher friends are knackered! The only people skipping around at this time of year in Christmas jumpers are non-teaching staff (and I include SLT in that).
He needs sleep.

CarrieBlu · 20/12/2018 07:36

I guessed a teacher too - I’m married to one as well. We aren’t exactly in your situation but I recognise the ongoing pity-party / depression that brings down the entire family.

This is my situation too. I sympathise OP, I’m also at a loss as to dealing with it.

cestlavielife · 20/12/2018 07:37

"Getting DH to go to a dr to talk about depression is a non starter, I’d really have to hit rock bottom at home to push him into that."

Why should you hit rock bottom before another adult takes responsibility for their mental health? It s hard but if you know and recognize it then push before it crushes you and your dc. If it s impacting the whole family something has to give or it just gets worse.

Fairylea · 20/12/2018 09:38

I think you need to tell him either he gets help for his mental health or you’re leaving (and really mean it) and hope that spurs him into getting help.

My dh lost 3 jobs due to severe depression and we really hit rock bottom - he knew if he didn’t get help there would be no future. He has been on a very high dose of antidepressants ever since and has managed to hold down his most recent job for the last 4 years - which is a huge achievement for him. He accepts that he is a “functional depressive” as he calls himself and that he will always need to be on the medication for life as otherwise he just can’t cope. Antidepressants have literally saved our family.

beenandgoneandbackagain · 20/12/2018 09:47

OP - you're talking a lot about what YOU can do to fix the situation. I think this is a typical female reaction, to take on the mental load of fixing things. What is your partner actually doing to fix things, other than wallowing in self-pity? What is he contributing. This is a serious thing to fix and you can't fix it unless he contributes towards fixing it. This is not something you can do alone. If he is not onboard then he will drag you down with him. You need to make sure that you are in a strong position so that you can help him. Weakening your own position in any way will result in both of you sinking.

TheFifthKey · 20/12/2018 09:48

I can totally sympathise as I was in a similar situation with exH and it killed us, really. He was a teacher but so was I - yet his work was always harder and worse than mine. I ended up going part-time and while I enjoyed the extra time with the DC I resented that I was putting my career (that I quite enjoyed) on hold to facilitate his (that he hated) - he resented me for my "days off" and that I was bringing in less money, I ended up doing everything around the house (he didn't even do any childcare drop offs) and I just felt like a very unappreciated drudge. Like, you're always angry with me, always tired and depressed, and I'm the one who does fucking everything around the house, has no money, no social life and no respect.

We had no life as a couple apart from very rare moments where it glimmered shortly.

Anyway we divorced. He teaches abroad now in a fairly "cushy" situation - well-paid, lots of perks, sunshine every day and with friends close to hand and lots and lots of free time. I teach full time in the UK and have two children 90% of the time with no respite apart from holidays. Somehow he's still much worse off than me and somehow I'm the happier one. At least it tells me there's literally nothing I could have done differently.

December24 · 20/12/2018 10:00

I've been thinking overnight (didn't sleep) and for me the best immediate thing would be to get him to speak to his GP. Yes there are other changes that could be made, but these are longer term, and things that we need to spend time thinking about. And we can't jointly think about them fully unless he's well in himself. His health is his responsibility though, so there's only so far I can encourage him.

Sorry to hear some of you have had (or are having) similar experiences. Hopefully the Christmas break will give everybody a chance to relax a little. I'm going to make sure has a bit of a break and a chance to catch up on sleep a bit. Not easy with three kids mind!

OP posts:
woollyheart · 20/12/2018 10:33

Get him to speak to a GP - it is the least he can do.

If he refuses....

Ask him why going to a GP to face up to his depression is a worse idea than forcing his family to live in a nightmare.

Musti · 20/12/2018 10:44

To me the obvious answer is for you to up your hours and for him to work part time.

Ohyesiam · 20/12/2018 10:46

He’s a teacher isn’t he? My partner teaches a core subject and I recognise the work pressures. The difference is he is more resilient than your dh and doesn’t take it out on me or the family. He is reluctantly thinking of leaving though as it’s such a dysfunctional system.
He’s looked into prison teaching, tutoring ( he’d step down from his pastoral role and just be a regular tEscher, so not a new career) and working for the organisations that produce resources for teachers. Could any of those work?

Your dh ticks a lot of the boxes for clinical depression.
In your position I would give him a chance to recharge over the holidays then present him with my experience of the marriage. I’d tell him that I love him and really want it to work out, but that I cannot carry on and he needs to face his problems and find solutions.

Ohyesiam · 20/12/2018 10:47

Musti the op said that wouldn’t work financially.

Ohyesiam · 20/12/2018 10:52

Oh, finally read the thread, and I’m
Late to the party again.
Ladypasserine if you are not pissed what’s your excuse Grin

DomesticAnarchist · 20/12/2018 11:05

OP, there's an app (on iOS, not sure about android) called Overcoming that has all the questionnaires on it that the GPs use to diagnose depression, anxiety, phobias etc.

When I was struggling I used it and found that I was scoring highly for anxiety and not quite so badly for depression. At the time, I couldn't see it in myself without those objective questions.

This did prompt me to see the doctor, but I took a regular appointment around 3 weeks later, after the Easter break. By that point all my scores had improved (and the GP I saw apparently couldn't have cared less Hmm) so I concluded that my issues were caused by work stress (and not vice versa) and went back to work and requested part time hours.

What I mean is, maybe your DH could use those questionnaires now to help him realise the problem. It might help him realise he needs to see the doc. (Get him there sooner rather than later, and possibly with the questionnaires printed).

For you, OP, this will be tricky. I was really resentful when DH was signed off (particularly because I was doing the exact same job AND all the child wrangling etc). We should have talked about it, but we didn't, but now things are settled and much improved.

Aussiebean · 20/12/2018 15:19

This company is supposed to help teachers while in the job and transitioning out of teaching.

I haven’t actually dealt with them, but they do a lot of different things to support teachers.

www.educationsupportpartnership.org.uk

Feckers2018 · 20/12/2018 17:06

The stress and pressure can be unbelievable. Also alot of SMTs are very good at picking on some teachers. Is this happening?
If so he really does need to leave. This happened to me and I left and did supply so much happier.

orchidsundertrees · 20/12/2018 17:17

I just knew he was a teacher. it's such a familiar story.

You sound desperate and exhausted, and no wonder. I think you need to have counselling so that perhaps you can both get some perspective on what is going on for you both and take some heat out of the situation.

This isn't going to get any easier if he stays in the same job. Trust me, i have been there. He needs to look at other jobs he can do with the degree he has, there must be something.

I feel so sorry for you, it's a desperate situation to be in . He sounds stressed out of his head, depressed and overwhelmed. It's difficult to think straight in that mindset.
Hopefully you can find a way out of this mess somehow.

mummyneedssweets · 20/12/2018 17:44

Teaching is utterly brutal - you have my sympathy.
Worth seeking support via Teacher Support Network. They have a free phone line which might help.
I also think a change of school could really help. At least a good chance that it could help make a decision if he wants to stay in teaching

Trifle72 · 20/12/2018 20:23

Just try to love him and 100% GET HIM OUT OF TEACHING.

It's an utter death sentence these days.. there's no career; you are entirely burned out after 15 years.

If he continues to teach, your relationship is over.

PositivelyPERF · 20/12/2018 20:36

I’m not in any way connected to teaching, but can I just say, you all have my sympathy. Teaching sounds soul destroying. 💐

Tinlegs · 20/12/2018 20:55

What is his subject? For some (Maths, English) there is a pretty lucrative career in tutoring although it is all evenings and school holidays.

I teach and schools are vastly different. Even in similar catchment areas you get a huge variety of schools, and departments. Can he shop around a bit? Is there someone he knows / trusts in his line of work who might help him to look at a move? A change can really, really help.