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Difficult mother

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MotherOfDragonite · 10/12/2018 21:39

My mother has always been very negative about me and very critical of everything I do. I have a younger sister and my mother is always making 'helpful suggestions' to her too, but the quality of what she says is more negative/judgmental with me. I now have children (but no partner) and so I have seen quite a lot of her over the past few years. She has occasionally helped me with childcare in an emergency, but mostly just comes at weekends to see us.

Her criticism always bothers me, but over the last couple of years there have been some unforgiveable comments along the lines of "your house is so messy that I could call social services about it". Although it is untidy, this simply isn't true -- I've had the health visitor here, midwife, etc, and with my rational mind I know that although it isn't spotless and we do have a lot of stuff crammed in to a small space, it's not unacceptable (if that makes sense). Each time she has said this I have found it offensive and a bit threatening, and have reduced contact. She has also criticised me in front of the children, which I feel undermines me as a parent, and I felt my DD was getting a bit carried away with feeling as if it was her and Granny against me (e.g. when I told her to get dressed in the morning, "You're always been rude to me and Granny!)

Finally my mother said something similar again, and I then asked her the next time she was due to come round if she could please refrain from criticising as I had a lot of my plate at the moment and couldn't take it (having a relationship crisis plus big deadlines). She reacted badly, so I said in that case I simply couldn't see her.

Since then I have seen her once at my sister's house (which went fine), then once at the weekend for a Christmas performance by one of the kids (lots of little 'suggestions' like that I should really cut DD's fringe, etc, and a few snidey comments about how she didn't want to be "cut off from her grandchildren"), then again today for a nativity play.

Today was a disaster. She turned up, opened my front door (she still has a key) although I'd told her to wait outside as we'd be coming in a second, criticised everything (why hadn't I put an extra coat on the baby? it must be freezing. I really must brush DD's hair, it was terribly messy!) etc and then sat through the nativity play. I bought her a hot chocolate and then on the way back to the bus she started talking about how she "had a right to see her grandchildren" and how she could go to court and get a court order to see them!

Not sure what I want to ask. AIBU? What am I meant to do about Christmas? I don't want to cut her and the kids off, as it's an important relationship for all of them, but it's just all a bit much.

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MotherOfDragonite · 10/12/2018 21:41

It just seemed a bit over the top that she was talking about me cutting her off from her grandchildren when I had just invited her to two of their events! And after what had happened I was kind of expecting her to at least make an effort not to criticise all the time, but that didn't happen.

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CupsAndPentacles · 10/12/2018 21:45

Blimey. ARe you me? Did I post this?

My mother isn't speaking to me at the moment because I tried to establish a boundary. She lets herself in with a key which she has because I'm at work and my kids might get locked out. I want her to have the key but I'm a bit Hmm at all the letting herself in an out and no thinking twice about and then commenting on the mess while she's there! When I made a blunt remark to her the last time she let herself in while I was there, she was so offended by my lack of gratitude. Ignored her for a week or so and then she came back to me to say that she hated fighting but I was ''so ungrateful'' and my behaviour was ''unacceptable'' and had to change. I'm 48.

I said ''omg just learn from this'' and I haven't apologised for telling her off for letting herself in and out of house. (This happened at least 20 times and was annoying me but all I ever did was hint or withdraw, so it's been a long time comign). But like you now christmas is coming and it feels like bad timing,
I don't mind spending christmas day on my own. Wouldn't bother me. But my kids will want to go to my parents.

So. No advice but looking forward to the replies you receive as they will do for me too Brew

MotherOfDragonite · 10/12/2018 21:48

Oh god, cups, that does sound awfully familiar! Especially the accusations of being "ungrateful" for whatever unwanted action or comment has caused offense.

I am so tired of being told to be grateful for all of this totally unwanted advice! I get that she means well, but it's still offensive and unhelpful and I just want it to stop.

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CupsAndPentacles · 10/12/2018 21:48

Seeing you have a baby, if your mum doesn't need a key (ie, your DC aren't at school while you word) then I'd change the lock. It may seem like a big expense for nothing but as your baby is young, nip this in the bud. My DD is 15 and she says to me that when she's at home (before me) my mum lets herself in with the key and says to her ''oh! what are you doing here?!'' and my dd said that she has said ''i live here, what are you doing here''. None of the hints ever seemed to communicate that I wanted to establish a boundary. I feel I've handled things badly.

MotherOfDragonite · 10/12/2018 21:55

I don't really mind her having a key, she lives quite far away so she isn't likely to actually use it unless she's specifically come round to visit us, IYSWIM. It was more just as an example of her not respecting my boundaries, I guess?

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MotherOfDragonite · 10/12/2018 21:55

What will you do about Christmas, cups?

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CupsAndPentacles · 10/12/2018 21:58

Yes, I'd prefer my mother only helped me on the rare occasions I need help but the stupid thing is I feel that I can't ask her for help when I actually do need help because it would be yet another favour (even though I haven't asked for the other favours)

You're so right to address it now while your baby can't see the dynamic! or copy your mother's treatment of you. At about 5 my dd used to ask me, if I said no, she'd go over my head and ask my mother. She saw my mother as the boss of me, probably because at that point I still saw my mother as the boss of me!

I'd never cut my mother off but I do wish I'd insisted years ago that she respect a FEW reasonable boundaries even if it meant she thought I was ungrateful, dramatic, selfish, ridiculous........
We might have found a healthier footing eventually.

Atm, I feel like our relationship is very fake. Just 'pleasantries' but at the moment not even that!

pileoflaundry · 10/12/2018 22:02

I get that she means well

It doesn't sound like it from your post. People who criticise all the time tend to do it because they enjoy it. She enjoys making you feel small. That's what bullies do.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh. My M criticised me all the time, it took me decades to realise that it wasn't me.

Well done for reducing contact when she was so offensive, undermining and attempting to scare you. Please think carefully as to whether her having a relationship with your children would really be of benefit to them, or whether she would criticise and bully them constantly too.

CupsAndPentacles · 10/12/2018 22:03

@motherofdragonite, well I'm single so it would be just me and the kids if she doesn't invite me over. She may make a speech about how we're welcome to come for Christmas day but I need to apologise or show more respect or something. In which case I will have to swallow and take a deep breath and buy a load of food. I will say to the kids that they can choose where they want to have Christmas lunch but I'm going to sit it out at home this year. I will try to down play it but I know that I'll be portrayed as hormonal and sulking. Even though I'm not sulking. I am just trying to stay on course. I think it will cause aggro on xmas day because my dd will want me to just make it up for her sake but I feel it's important not to make things right by apologising. IN the past when things have been incredibly awkward and I've tried to call my mum out on something really thoughtless or some boundary she ignores, she rises up to her full height, martyr beast, and it's resolved only when I apologise and not before.

Just think this time, christmas or no christmas, I'm not going to apologise.

I should be brave and try and open up the dialogue though. eeek.

MotherOfDragonite · 10/12/2018 22:54

I feel as if when I accept help it is used against me.

Thanks for the validation, pile. I am busy second-guessing myself so it is useful to know that the criticising and undermining does come across to others and that I'm not being unreasonable.

My sister is upset because my mother is upset, but I'm trying to think of it as not my problem to sort out.

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MotherOfDragonite · 10/12/2018 22:55

It sounds so familiar, cups -- you just can't win.

I think you are right about laying down firm boundaries, but won't your children be upset that you aren't coming too? Would they really rather go over to your parents' house without you, than do something new with you?

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MotherOfDragonite · 10/12/2018 22:56

My DD is 5 and I was just starting to be able to see the effect on her -- sounds very similar. "But Granny would say XX" or going directly to her for a second opinion if she was staying.

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MotherOfDragonite · 11/12/2018 18:40

Bumping for traffic...

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MrsJonesAndMe · 11/12/2018 19:52

I don't have any experience, thankfully, but sounds very unfair of your mum to threaten you with SS and court.

Can you write her something so you a) have time to consider it carefully and b) she can't shout you down/interrupt?

The ladies on the Relationship boards are very good with this sort of thing. Might be worth heading there.

MotherOfDragonite · 11/12/2018 20:35

Does anyone know if it's true that she could get a court order to see them?!

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MotherOfDragonite · 11/12/2018 20:36

I'm reluctant to post on a normal board as I feel it's all quite identifying.

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MummatoaMunchkin · 11/12/2018 20:57

My mother threatened me with this and i looked into it. From what i remember they have to prove that they have built a relationship with the dc.

Also those court orders came about because pils were being cut off from the grandkids when the parents split up. The impression i got is that is what they are for. Anything else the judges probably wouldnt go against the decision of the mother/father as they have done it for a reason.

Also its costs alot to do it, do you think your mother would pay?

MotherOfDragonite · 15/12/2018 13:13

Got some shitty texts from her (how could I be so cruel? what was wrong with me?) then a conciliatory email not apologising exactly bu t kind of explaining why she had behaved so badly and suggesting that she could do some childcare for me to "help" (I can't think of anything I'd like less than having her in my space more than I have to at this point!).

Going to see her at my sister's house over the weekend, so will see how it goes.

When I told DD (5) to clean up this morning, she whined for Granny! (who obviously wasn't there, but has clearly become positioned as the ultimate authority). Really reinforces my sense that I need to be firm about boundaries and what's not on.

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MotherOfDragonite · 15/12/2018 13:15

I might ask for this to be moved to the Relationships board, actually.

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LouMumsnet · 15/12/2018 14:03

OP, we're just nipping on to the thread to say we've moved it over to Relationships, as you requested.

We hope you get lots of useful advice and support from other MNers on here.

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Blondebakingmumma · 15/12/2018 14:39

Reading your thread made me feel quite angry for you. I’d be pulling away and reclaiming control of my home and family.
“Sorry that doesn’t work for me”
Change locks

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/12/2018 14:55

Your children need emotionally healthy grandparents in their lives and your mother clearly is not. It is not your fault your mother is like this, you did not make her that way. She has in all likelihood not altered since your own childhood. You also seem mired in fear, obligation and guilt.

She will keep on disrespecting your children and you so long as she has any part of your lives. Would suggest that you post too on the Stately homes thread on these pages and read toxic Parents by Susan Forward

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/12/2018 14:56

Would you have tolerated this behaviour from a friend, no. Your mother is no different.

MotherOfDragonite · 15/12/2018 21:23

It's all just so weird.

I read the stuff posted here and it's a bit of a shock because I'm so used to thinking of myself as having been the unreasonable one (and maybe it's because I'm the one describing it all here?) but no, I would never put up with this behaviour from a friend.

I do need to start laying down the boundaries and enforcing them.

It was weird because I saw her today at my sister's house and she was almost meek and mild and didn't say anything out of order (like when we last saw her there 3 weeks ago). But by ourselves earlier in the week she was really horrid.

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TemptressofWaikiki · 15/12/2018 21:58

You hold the power though OP. I'd go low or even no contact for a bit to reset the whole interaction. You can tell her that from now on if she disrespects your boundaries, then you will stop contact. And this includes her sending passive agressive or emotionally blackmailing messages or involving your sister as a flying monkey.