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How bad is this? I think I’m minimising

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TheLittleSparrow · 04/12/2018 04:24

bit of background: I grew up with an extremely violent father who would inflict the most horrendous physical abuse on my mum. It continued throughout my childhood and as a result I have been left with skewed boundaries as to what is acceptable in relationships. I’ve been in therapy for years with different counsellors/psychotherapists but I still have problems with self esteem and with identifying abusive behaviour.

I’m in a relationship now with someone who constantly blames everything on me to the point where I feel that I am the problem. Some examples:

He criticises my mannerisms, the way I speak, the clothes I wear but will say he is ‘joking’
He sometimes questions my whereabouts and will try to trip me up I.e he will ask me to repeat to him again exactly what I was doing and will look for discrepancies in my answer. He will then say that I changed my response or that I said something I don’t remember saying and I end up tied up in knots
He is extremely paranoid to the point where he has asked me to FaceTime him when I am not with him. He says it’s because he ‘misses my pretty face’ but I am sure that is not the reason as once I couldn’t FaceTime him (I was visiting a relative who lives rurally and I had poor phone reception/data) and he said he’d driven to my house to check that I wasn’t there. He said his gut was telling him that I’d lied about my whereabouts and he thought I was at home with another man
I told him I wanted to break up with him a month ago and he grabbed my arm to stop me from leaving his house. He called me a cunt and shouted at me. When he finally calmed down he said he was sorry but he loves me so much and is scared to lose me. He also said he finds me very difficult to be in a relationship with and he thinks I am emotionally abusive towards him.

None of this is ok is it? This isn’t me causing these problems? I feel like he is fucking with my head everyday and I can’t see the wood for the trees. He’s started saying his friends and family are concerned about how I treat him but that if he is happy with me then he will just have to put up with it.

I’m awake at this time of the morning because I can’t sleep due to anxiety. He told me that he’s been treated badly in all his past relationships so that is the only thing that makes me think it can’t be me in the wrong - the common denominator is him and he can’t have been unlucky enough for every women he has met to have been abusive or a cheat surely? Although I also know he is still friends with his exes friends so if he was that awful then surely they wouldn’t want anything to do with him?

Any advice or wise words would be much appreciated.

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scepticalwoman · 05/12/2018 20:46

Op.
Hope that today has been OK and that you were able to see whether there are any unusual apps on your phone?
There's lots of support on here if you need to talk. Flowers

TheLittleSparrow · 05/12/2018 23:35

Hi sceptical thank you for your message and for checking on me.
I had a look at my phone and can’t see any unusual apps on there luckily.
My neighbours called me again this evening to say ex was knocking on my door again (I’m at my friends house still) and was looking through my downstairs windows. I’ve got another voicemail from him as well saying I am the love of his life and he just wants to talk to me for closure as he didn’t get that through the way I ended things - more manipulation?
I’ve spoken to the police and they have arranged for an officer to come and speak to me

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Letshopeitsallok · 05/12/2018 23:38

I know you know this but don’t meet him “for closure” or any other reason. At best it is an opportunity to wear down your defences, at worst it could be physically dangerous.

I’m really pleased the police are taking it seriously.

And glad you’ve got a friend and neighbour looking out for you.

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 05/12/2018 23:46

Definitely agree with above pp. Don't meet with him, for his closure....he doesn't want closure...he wants to manipulate you, give you all the sweetalk, try and get you back yadda yadda yadda....

TheLittleSparrow · 05/12/2018 23:50

Thank you lets
I won’t engage with him. He’s tried the same tactic in the past and managed to suck me back in. I know this sounds silly but have I brought this harassment on myself? I only say that because I’ve gone back to him in the past after dumping him and I think maybe in his head he presumes that if he’s persistent I’ll come back again as it’s worked before. Sorry, I’m tired and that probably doesn’t make any sense. I’m basivally wondering if I’m to blame in any way for the way he’s behaving now

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HeavenlyEyes · 05/12/2018 23:55

So glad you have spoken to the police. Could you tell your work what is going on - in case he turns up there too.

TheLittleSparrow · 05/12/2018 23:56

Also I had a friend today who said “what do you do to these men to make them behave like this?” and it’s really hit a nerve. Years ago I was in a similar situation with another guy who hounded me after we split up and now I’m thinking maybe it IS me.

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KlutzyDraconequus · 05/12/2018 23:57

I’m basivally wondering if I’m to blame in any way for the way he’s behaving now

You can no more control the actions of others as you can control the rain in Guatemala.

No you are not responsible in any way shape or form for his behaviour. Don't even think it for a second.

TheLittleSparrow · 05/12/2018 23:58

Hi heavenly I spoke to work today so they are aware of the situation

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AsleepAllDay · 06/12/2018 00:00

@TheLittleSparrow don't listen to your friend. It's not you 'making' them do it, it's more like you are attracted to men who will do this anyway (truly, it's not about you - they would be abusive to any woman that were with)

That's a pattern that you need to learn how to break, but please don't blame yourself for his or another person's actions. They're on them

chickenloverwoman · 06/12/2018 00:13

Freedom programme! Do it, it will help you! Online if you have to but find it in real life if at all possible.

MozzieMagnet · 06/12/2018 00:14

he just wants to talk to me for closure as he didn’t get that through the way I ended things - more manipulation?

Of course it is. Please do not fall for it.
You owe him nothing.
He is using a tried and tested tactic to lure/reel you back in.
And not wanting to scare you but Katie Piper's ex also asked for 'closure' which for him was raping her followed by the acid attack a fortnight later.
He knows full well why you left and thinks he can manipulate you again. And if he doesn't know then he should see a therapist to work out why all these 'cunts' (his choice of word for the women he purports to love) keep leaving.
Not your problem any more.
Too many women are socialised into 'playing nice' - No - you have to ghost this man. No debate.
Log the unsolicited visit to your home again - neighbours are witness to it. Good Luck Flowers

TheLittleSparrow · 06/12/2018 01:10

Can I just ask one more question please? Something that is niggling also is that he would frequently say to me (during an argument or on the rare occasion when I would pull him up on something he had done to upset me): “I’m sick of letting you walk all over me, other men might let you get away with it but I’m putting my foot down now. You’re a bully and I’ve had enough of feeling anxious around you waiting for you to go mad again”

It’s another reason why I feel to blame for this situation as he was always saying how difficult / out of control / spiteful / a head fuck i was. I know none of you know me but I really do feel like maybe i am all of those things above. I’m seeing my therapist tomorrow which I desperately need but I can’t shake this feeling that I’m an awful person

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TheLittleSparrow · 06/12/2018 01:10

Thank you for the posters who recommended freedom programme by the way. I am going to do it online.

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Chunkymonkey123 · 06/12/2018 01:24

Of course you are not an awful person. If he honestly thought those things about you then he should be happy that your relationship is over. He sounds like he is a manipulative man and you really should try to not let the things he says effect you as that’s what he wants to happen.

BurpAndRustle · 06/12/2018 01:34

He’s projecting.

ursuslemonade · 06/12/2018 01:38

Op what he said about about you being a bully is bollocks. Please be strong , no sane person treats others like this. He made you believe that the problem lies with you....

bastardkitty · 06/12/2018 05:40

Literally 100% of abusive men accuse their partner/ex of actually being the abusive one. It's textbook.

WhiteVixen · 06/12/2018 05:57

The Lundy Bancroft book ‘Why Does He Do That?’ is excellent, I recommend you read it. It’s American, so the legal advice isn’t relevant but the rest absolutely is. If you pm me your email address I can send you a pdf copy.
He is 100% textbook abusive. He is saying al that stuff about you being a bully to mess with your head. Unfortunately having grown up with an abusive father, you may well be more prevalent to end up with an abusive partner, but reading the Lundy book and doing the Freedom Program will help you break the cycle and recognise these men before you get too far.
Take care x

hellsbellsmelons · 06/12/2018 07:31

All abusers say things like that.
They judge others in their own behaviour.
It's called 'projection'
Have a google.
Freedom programme on line is great but even better if you attend the classes.
Keep ignoring him.
He knows what he is.

idontknowwhattosay · 06/12/2018 07:56

How are you doing?
You are not to blame, this is due to his actions, not yours.
I would probably get my locks changed just to make sure, men with control issues are devious.

lifebeginz · 06/12/2018 08:08

OP my ex told me I was a narcissist, bully, head fuck etc etc when actually it was him. Stay away and avoid all contact but please be very very cautious. My ex had an order to stay away from me and still turned up at my house, at the shops etc. It resulted in a couple of, shall we say, one sided wrestling matches. Keep your wits about you and try not to be on your own at any time. I am not saying this to scare you but I remember being terrified with every move and thinking I was just going to have to accept this was my life now. Of course it wasn't and time moved everything on and I am now very happy with a lovely man so there is light at the end of this.

Do not let him get into your head. One other thing about your phone, does he have any other electronic devices that could be linked to oyur phone? I remember keeping my location turned on on my phone as I knew that that way if he cornered me I had the option of calling the police discreetly even if I wasn't able to talk, knowing they could trace the call from my location (I can't remember if I read that somewhere or someone told me to do it) anyway my ex kept turning up random places where I was, the shop (not the one I usually went to as Police told me to alter my routine so he wouldn't know where I was) the other road to my house etc etc. Anyway it turns out he was using my tablet (which I had left at his when I managed to do a runner, taking only what I could grab) which was somehow linked to my phone (I am/was not much of a techie person) to see where I was. I am not trying to scare you I am just trying to arm you with some of the info/tactics etc that my ex used that never even crossed my mind at the time.

Please feel free to PM me if you need to chat/need any advice. It will get better in time

Bellendejour · 06/12/2018 12:31

OP I’m so sorry to hear this and so glad you have been able to end things and get away from this man. I hope the police can help with getting him to leave you alone. None of this is your fault, agree with PPs he is projecting his own behaviour onto you. All of his behaviour is bullying and abusive, including accusing you of bullying/abuse. I was in an abusive/controlling relationship and it became violent, if I went out with friends he would track me down, he punched me publicly and burned me with a cigarette. But it was my fault for going out without him.
I’m so glad you have friends and neighbours who can help. Look after yourself and stay away from this horrible man no matter what he does or says to you. Flowers

lifebeginz · 13/12/2018 11:13

How are you OP? Are things ok?

midsomermurderess · 13/12/2018 16:10

He is entirely projecting. And if any one you know tells you it is your fault, cut them loose, They are no friends of yours. Stay strong, you can get out of this.

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