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Low Level (?) emotional abuse of DCs by STBXH - WWYD?

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MsNoMoreShit · 31/10/2018 10:59

I’ll try and keep this short.

Am middle of divorcing STBXH. We still co own the house. We have ‘custody’ arrangements in place following his insistence. He’s barely there. Just comes back to do his alternate weekends and one midweek night.

DC are 6 & 8

For years he has had anger issues that he takes out on the kids. He has never malicious hit them. He shouts at them, screams at them, grabs them tight and gets right in their faces with vile angry expressions. He argues with them like they are his peers. He talks to them like they are adults. But he demands they respect him and “you will listen to your father”. They don’t. He has marked them in the past. Either with play fighting that he has mishandled or grabbing them, lifting them up etc.

These episodes flair up every now and then and he promises to change etc.

The children have begged me to not leave them with him. Have expressed concern about being with him without me. They have once before said they wished he was dead or locked in a room forever.

When they are not with him they never ask to call him. Or even decline to call them when it’s offered. They don’t miss him, or look forward to seeing him.

This behaviour of his isn’t all the time. The children are generally happy enough in his company. They get to do lots of things and see his family lots.

No one else knows this side of him. I’ve told some close friends and I get the impression they think I’m over reacting. His family all think he is wonderful and I am hysterical.

He also does things like tells the children it’s not fair on him that he sees them less. Uses language in front of them like “it’s my weekend” or “I’ve got you tonight”. I can’t discuss his parenting with him without him shouting and screaming and swearing at me.

Last night he put the children to bed while I was out of the house (I have to leave the house while he is there to look after the children). He called me to tell me he felt bad for upsetting the children and making them cry. Apparently it’s because the ‘state’ of the house stresses him out. He said I was teaching them to be “dirty scuzzy whores”. DD left a note for me saying “you have no idea how he tortures us”. DS this morning said STBXH had got angry and “wrestled” him. DS said it hurt. He also stopped them from calling me.

Our house is in the process of being sold but is yet to exchange. I don’t have a job and only have a few thousand pounds. I’m paying 1/2 the household costs and can’t afford to move out until at least contracts and been exchanged.

Leaving the DCs with him feels like feeding them to the lions. What I really want to do is pick them up and move them far enough away so that his contact, and hopefully toxic influence, is signifcantly lessened.

I’ve asked to speak with my solicitor but I don’t think that will be today.

What do I do? Ride it up and up sticks when the house sells? Call SS???

(Sorry not at all short)

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RandomMess · 31/10/2018 17:29

Sadly @lifebegins50 I do believe you, denying contact until a CO is sought only gives the DC temporary respite but at least it is respite.

Iizzyb · 31/10/2018 17:43

How is what you described not putting them in danger op? I can absolutely assure you they are at risk just from what they've all told you.

My df did things like that when I was that age. It has made me the person I am. How my dm let him do that I have no idea. She was scared of him too but it was no excuse.

Would you accept that from an adult who was not their father? I don't think so.

Those poor dc's you need to protect them op. They are too young to protect themselves.

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AnotherEmma · 31/10/2018 18:55

Reported.

Workreturner · 31/10/2018 19:00

I would ask for an urgent appointment tomorrow with the school. Tell them everything. Show them the note

MsNoMoreShit · 01/11/2018 20:23

Thank you everyone. For helping me realise what I’ve become accustomed to as ‘normal’ isn’t right. And especially to the couple of posters who have been here or those who understand it’s not necessarily as easy as “change the locks call social services”.

My solicitor has been brilliant. She has made it clear this isn’t ok and what I am entitled to do to protect my children. I don’t want to go into detail but stuff is in action and my babies will be protected.

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RandomMess · 01/11/2018 20:29

That is good news Thanks

theansweris42 · 01/11/2018 20:30

Good work op. Stay strong Flowers

MsNoMoreShit · 01/11/2018 20:44

Thanks. I could cry with relief. And so much guilt for letting it carry on for so long. So many times I said when they were younger “you have to be more gentle... next time I’ll call social services before someone else does” but I really thought the best way I could protect them was to stay so I could intervene when needed and they wouldn’t need to lose their dad. But then it all kicked off over the summer and I left him. I freed myself but left them in the preverbial lions den.

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Dragongirl10 · 01/11/2018 22:42

Op your posts are beyond shocking, l could cry for your children, if anyone ONCE behaved like that to my Dcs l would kill them DH or anyone.......l am so glad you are getting legal advice. Please don't let them down by allowing this to continue.

MsNoMoreShit · 01/11/2018 22:50

It’s so hard. My oldest friends seem to think I’m over reacting. He’ll fight this with his family’s money and continue going around the county making sure everyone knows he’s such a Great Guy.

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Kaleela · 02/11/2018 04:48

Find emotional support for your children (psychologist) and search for avenues to protect them from him. I am a product of such a father and I urge you to not allow this to happen to them, it will effect them long into adulthood.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 02/11/2018 09:13

Well done for taking steps @MsNoMoreShit and keep talking to us.

Allalittlebitshit2019 · 02/11/2018 09:43

The mental conditioning that goes on in marriages/relationships that are abusive is the real thing that is dangerous really dangerous. It changes a woman's (or mans) mindset and makes it very very hard for that person to now whats except able and whats not. Its seriously scary stuff. Its wrong to consider these woman as simply not protecting their children, there is a huge physiological background that isnt recognised. When we recognise this we inn-power woman to see this as not normal.
I was never physically hit But it wasn't until i saw my solicitor and she sorted out legal aid and talked about a restraining order that i realised how emotionally and financially abusive my stbxh was!!! It was mad how i had been manipulated and conditioned to think so many things were normal!!

theansweris42 · 02/11/2018 11:27

Agreed allalittlebit well said

gigantus · 02/11/2018 13:51

Can you record him in one of his rages on your phone? Also keep the notes that your children have written.

MsNoMoreShit · 02/11/2018 22:41

Thanks Allalittlebitshit2019 I hope your journey from STBXH to XH is going well

I always knew his behaviour towards the children wasn’t acceptable. But I thought he would change and I thought I was best places to protect them with us altogether. We split in the summer over something which seemed a lot more surface level but I now realise was a symptom of a much much bigger problem. It’s only now I’m removed from our marriage that I can see more clearly what was going on and what I have to do.

What shocks me is that I’m not that type of woman. You know, the stereotypical victim. All meek and mild. I think that’s one reason my friends are possibly having trouble swallowing this. It just goes to show doesn’t it? It can happen to anyone.

I remembered today I’m fairly sure I posted on here a photo of a mark he had made on one of the DC. And also about uninvited nocturnal sexual advances he was making on me (think waking up to him on top of me about to help himself). I’m going to email MNHQ and ask if they can try and find the posts for me.

I’m away now and called the DCs at tea time. He answered and immediately wanted to know why I was calling and “didn’t we agree you wouldn’t call them?”. Oh and while the kids are still in the family home and after 3 months of us being separated the kids are spending Sunday at his new girlfriends house to meet her children (they’ve already met her).

I’m feeling brave and vindicated but also terrified of the fall out.

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MsNoMoreShit · 02/11/2018 22:42

gigantus I have been doing that already. My solicitor has my notes but told me to not covertly record him

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whatbeshrekking · 02/11/2018 22:49

I’m away now and called the DCs at tea time. He answered and immediately wanted to know why I was calling and “didn’t we agree you wouldn’t call them?”. Oh and while the kids are still in the family home and after 3 months of us being separated the kids are spending Sunday at his new girlfriends house to meet her children (they’ve already met her).

I don't understand. You are you still leaving them alone with him?

MsNoMoreShit · 02/11/2018 22:52

Yes. I discussed it at length with my solicitor and and we agreed it was the best of a bad choice of options at that point. He is not going to take this lying down. Trying to challenge him this weekend without my solicitors letter would have meant a far worse outcome for the children this weekend

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DPotter · 02/11/2018 22:56

On the computer version of MN, there's a category called 'I started' - have a look there to find your image. alternatively look up your user name in Advanced search and that will bring up all the threads you have ever posted on

HTH

Allalittlebitshit2019 · 02/11/2018 23:15

There is no such thing as a typical victim, domestic abuse can happen to anyone! Its not about being mean and mild. People become conditioned, that's not a sign of weakness. I see domestic abuse every day I work as i work in that field, it can happen to anyone.
Also by saying "not that type of person" implies it's somehow the victim's fault.

MsNoMoreShit · 02/11/2018 23:24

That’s my point

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whatbeshrekking · 03/11/2018 09:33

Does she knows he physically hurts them and that they leave you notes saying he tortures them?

I think you need a new solicitor!

TheHauntedFishtank · 03/11/2018 09:44

I’m not sure of the legalities but could you get a nannycam type thing for the house? One that records sound as well so it would pick up shouting in another room. A friend of mine was allowed to use mobile phone footage of his ex damaging his property as part of a custody hearing.

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