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Is he into me or not?

96 replies

HelpMeMakeSense · 20/10/2018 14:45

NC, been here for a while now, but since I may prove to be totally naive I thought I'd stay anon for this one.

I've met a guy at work. I haven't worked at the place for long and he's always stuck out a bit for some reason or another. There is a 10-year age gap between us (I'm mid-30s, he is mid-40s) and we are at very different stages in our lives.

We recently were due to have a work do and since we live quite close to each other, I offered to drive, so got his number for that purpose. We then started talking quite a bit during shared lunch times and after work as we work on several projects (together, but independently of each other, if that makes sense).

He is quite a reserved type. I know he is single and has recently gone through a rather shitty patch in life, although I get the impression that he has not been in a long-term (or any) relationship in a good while. He has talked to me quite a bit about his work-related past, some of which was reasonably confidential. He has also alluded to a few things going on in his private life, although he is yet to go into any sort of detail of his past, but he has talked about some things he has going on, which are making his life currently quite stressful. Like I said, he is quite reserved in general.

I have been openly flirtatious a few times. His body language tells me that he responds; his eyes triangulate mine and my mouth, he can mirror me quite a bit, but he stays outwardly neutral, does not flirt back, but also does not in any way suggest that he minds how I act with him. If anything, it's like he doesn't know how to respond.

So far I could be imagining things, of course. Part of me thinks I might, because our work do was cancelled at short notice and I offered that we go out regardless and he rejected my offer saying he wasn't feeling well. But then he stayed behind at work for an extra hour and a half that same day as the two of us got talking, even though he had no reason to (I did - I was waiting for a colleague to finish a phone call to a client as I needed to make a similar call myself before the end of the day). There was no one else to talk to and every time he made a move to pack up and go he seemed to think better of it and made himself comfortable again to talk to me some more.

Text messages were initiated by me so far, although he told me at one point to "keep it up and we will get on grand". And while he did not go out with me, he suggested we all get together next week instead. I then said I'd like to see him one-to-one at some point, too; it's nicer to talk that way and he agreed.

He gives off the impression that he is a very private type. He is certainly introverted and admits as much; even said to me that he needs alone time all the time at home and otherwise cannot function.

He may be painfully shy. He gives off the air that someone has royally fucked him over at some point in his life. He clearly responds well to me and he initiates coversation quite a bit, always remembering details of our last conversation.

But the jury is out - is he actually into me? I don't want to be too blunt with him right now. He knows we both have very different lives right now. I don't want to scare him away by coming on too strongly too fast, but I cannot stop thinking about him and it's driving me crazy.

What do mumsnet think?

OP posts:
Kittykat93 · 21/11/2018 20:35

*Your not you're

Sorry I'm tired Smile

OldWomanSaysThis · 21/11/2018 20:52

Leave him alone.

HelpMeMakeSense · 21/11/2018 21:16

I'm either not making myself clear enough or many of you are saying he is a liar.

I am not pestering him. We exchange pleasantries in the mornings and after work we get talking properly. I have told him a fair few times that if he wants me to back off all he has to do is say the word and I will as I will not understand non-verbal clues, due to my condition. He has repeatedly reassured me that he enjoys talking and that he wants us to meet up again.

We're both adults in a busy phase of our lives, so we both cannot meet up weekly as if we were in our carefree 20s and in fact, I am the one with more barriers in my way (he has suggested meeting up ad-hoc whenever during the week, but I cannot do that). He is shy. He is crap at texting - not every person is good at that, as evidenced by a previous ex from a 3-year relationship.

Talking to each other is easy; it never gets boring and we have both stayed on way beyond what is necessary at work to talk.

I have no doubts that he likes me. The only doubts I ever have are funnily enough being put into my head by MNers who try to tell me I am harassing him, but when I mentioned this to him (not the MN bit, just that it has been suggested to me) he is very dismissive of that and tells me to just relax.

I don't know whether he likes me in a romantic way. He may not, he may and it may be a slow process or we may just stay friends. Right now that is not even important anymore; I nearly damaged the whole thing by actually believing I was harassing him and backing off big time. Unless he has lied to me on numerous occasions, I am not harassing him. And I don't think he is much of a liar. I think, like me, he is on the spectrum and finds expressing himself emotionally difficult.

That still doesn't mean anything, I know. But we both like each other and we get on well. I will just see what our next few meet-ups bring.

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BedHair · 21/11/2018 21:47

I don’t think you’re harassing him, OP, but do you really want to be the one who does all the running and all the thinking, with someone who seems passive and a poor communicator, as well as preoccupied with other stuff? He clearly likes you, but not enough to do anything about it off his own bat, he’s responding to your initiatives all the time...?

Issy777 · 21/11/2018 21:53

Someone mid 40s I'm surprised he doesn't have kids, hasn't been married etc??

Lweji · 22/11/2018 09:14

I don't know whether he likes me in a romantic way.

But that's your key question, isn't it?

You clearly get along as colleagues or even friends.

When people say to back off or to stop harassing him is relationship wise. You seem to want to push for something other than friendship.
You don't date friends and don't analyse whether they kiss you goodbye or not.

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 22/11/2018 11:30

He’s not going to tell you to back off because a) you’ve said (about eleventy billion times) he’s shy, shy people find it difficult to put boundaries in place and b) because he won’t want to make things awkward in the work place.

Come oooooon op...he is not into you. When a guy likes you, you’ll know about it. Why on earth are you continuing to try and coax this guy into fancying you? He doesn’t. No, lots of people don’t text a lot but with my dh I knew he liked me a lot because he texted all the time in spite of the fact he wasn’t a big texter generally. We still talk all day when he’s at work, he makes the effort to text me because he loves me and at the beginning he made the effort because he knew he really liked me. It takes 30 seconds, if that, to text. This guy can’t even be arsed to text you let alone actually arrange something. Come on, how hard would it be for him to either text, call or face to face and say “hey, lets plan a night out. What nights are you free in the next week?”? He Does. Not. Fancy. You.

And even if he did (which he doesn’t) why the hell would you want to date someone so luke warm and lazy?

ArwenEdwards · 22/11/2018 11:33

Yes but he wants you to say something first because he could be wrong. Just ask him out.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 22/11/2018 12:46

Oh my gosh, OP. Why do you keep on asking when you clearly don't like what posters are telling you?

Nobody here knows the interaction between the two of you. You do. What you're posting isn't positive (to most of us). You're not reading the signs, you don't want to. Use logic though, if we can only surmise from what you're telling us then the signs are there and quite clear. We're largely going against everything that you're saying and not just one or two of us, most.

He does like you - nobody has said otherwise. I like the courier who brings my parcels, we chat and have a laugh. We do not have more than that and it would be perverse and bizarre to read about your interactions and not squirm with embarrassment for you.

Posting OldChair's post for you as it's so relevant:

OldChair Fri 16-Nov-18 11:03:03
Op I could have written your post almost word for word with a man who sounds very similar in character to your bloke down to the anxious introversion and everything! I was doing the exact things you are doing too.

It didn’t end well. We became closer and I eventually confessed my feelings and he said he wasn’t interested like that and he’d never done anything more than friends, which wasn’t true as we’d had drinks alone etc too. Turns out he wasn’t so nice and liked his ego being fed, then he did meet a girl he fancied and I got to see first hand (as we worked together) that it seemed his shyness didn’t stop him asking someone out and seeing them every day when he wanted to.

In retrospect and now the pain has gone and I’ve moved on I think I was a backup plan of sorts, and that he liked me, just not quite enough.

You're boosting his ego no end. If he were a nice person he wouldn't keep leading you on. He knows that you like him. He can see how you are with him. He encourages you to ask him out and pats your hand when you question his intentions - and then puts you back in your box.

Deep down you know this. You know all of this. If you were as certain of this relationship as you keep saying you are, you wouldn't be posting about it because you wouldn't need to - you'd be in it and happy. You're not in any sort of relationship with this man and you're not happy about that. Not your call. One person doesn't make a relationship, it takes two.

He doesn't want this. Doesn't want you like this. I'm sorry that you're still cleaving to this non-relationship because a) it's a work colleague and b) you're making a tit of yourself. Also c) you're going to feel embarrassed when you wake up from this fog and realise that what you've been told, is actually true.

Oh - and him telling you that 'it's fine, there's no problem' will not be a defence should HR become involved at some point.

Please OP. Snap out of it, for your own sake.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 22/11/2018 12:49

May I ask, OP - what did happen when you 'backed off big time'? You say that you 'nearly ruined the whole thing...

Leannadoes · 22/11/2018 13:06

I think it’s this simple.
If he likes you as much as he says he does back off and let him do a bit of the chasing. That’s it, that’s all you have to do.

crochetmonkey74 · 22/11/2018 14:45

I have to say, for the second time I've had my doubts and talked to him - gently - about whether or not he is just being polite, but he is insistent that he is not; he really does want to see me again, he really is just a rubbish person with text messages, but he has a lot on (house sale, his mother that he cares for, non-working transport for ages), so his focus is elsewhere

I wouldn't like this, if he can't make time for you now when it's all new and starting out, what will it be like after a few months???

CartoonCat · 23/11/2018 00:34

I know you won’t like to hear it op but you seeking this much needy reassurance from him this early may be putting him off too.

But - I’m just some random on the internet. What do I know.

OrigamiZoo · 23/11/2018 00:52

He isn't shy, just a lazy inconsiderate fucker who doesn't get back to people.

his focus is elsewhere

So should yours be. Have a partner in life who can be bothered, you are doing all the running. You are are so available to him, there is no pursuit or mystery.

Desist.

Adversecamber22 · 23/11/2018 02:40

It just sounds like a lot of work, I don’t believe relationships can be fun and romantic all the time but this just sounds like a massive effort.

If any woman has to ask others if a man is in to them it’s a No every time.

SandraTheBee · 23/11/2018 14:55

I am in a similarity situation in that I have had a drink with a guy and am not sure how into me he is. I have been making all sorts of excuses for him.
Then I started looking at the book fck him* and it clearly pointed out that if a man likes you he doesn't make it hard for you to be with him. That was the clincher for me really. The bloke I am interested in is obviously interested in me to a degree, but it's not the kind of degree I am looking for.
He needs to work harder if he wants to develop your relationship.
You need to back right off now and see what he does.

HelpMeMakeSense · 28/11/2018 19:15

Well, we kissed today, so I guess I have my answer Grin

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BettyCrook · 28/11/2018 19:40
Shock

More details please! Spill woman!
Wink

HelpMeMakeSense · 28/11/2018 20:16

Just that. He finally has his car back, so as usual we were joking around about him finally winning our usual race home (like I said, we live quite close together). So he showed me his car, next thing I know we kiss each other goodbye.

It will be an interesting one from here Grin

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Equalityumber · 28/11/2018 20:48

I assume you initiated physical contact?

Issy777 · 28/11/2018 21:29

Think everyone on here is so damn negative and bloody bitchy it's untrue!!!
Some guys just don't express their feelings well, Jesus. Obviously everyone on here who was saying he wasn't in to her and she was being desperate etc etc has never dated a shy/socially awkward guy. It's not for me but I did date one and BY GOD it was hard work at the start.
I just couldn't figure out if he liked me or not but turns out he did after my friend drunkenly asked him n he dad replied "yes I really like her I just feel so shy around her"
He was a bb coach and his whole life revolves around coaching and bb.

There are guys out there who are just hard work, more placid. There's woman out there like that so why can't there be men? I was sat in disgust at some of the messages on here!

And op has just recently mentioned they've kissed so I'm even more smug in posting this comment

@HelpMeMakeSense I hope it goes well for you. X

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