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Is he into me or not?

96 replies

HelpMeMakeSense · 20/10/2018 14:45

NC, been here for a while now, but since I may prove to be totally naive I thought I'd stay anon for this one.

I've met a guy at work. I haven't worked at the place for long and he's always stuck out a bit for some reason or another. There is a 10-year age gap between us (I'm mid-30s, he is mid-40s) and we are at very different stages in our lives.

We recently were due to have a work do and since we live quite close to each other, I offered to drive, so got his number for that purpose. We then started talking quite a bit during shared lunch times and after work as we work on several projects (together, but independently of each other, if that makes sense).

He is quite a reserved type. I know he is single and has recently gone through a rather shitty patch in life, although I get the impression that he has not been in a long-term (or any) relationship in a good while. He has talked to me quite a bit about his work-related past, some of which was reasonably confidential. He has also alluded to a few things going on in his private life, although he is yet to go into any sort of detail of his past, but he has talked about some things he has going on, which are making his life currently quite stressful. Like I said, he is quite reserved in general.

I have been openly flirtatious a few times. His body language tells me that he responds; his eyes triangulate mine and my mouth, he can mirror me quite a bit, but he stays outwardly neutral, does not flirt back, but also does not in any way suggest that he minds how I act with him. If anything, it's like he doesn't know how to respond.

So far I could be imagining things, of course. Part of me thinks I might, because our work do was cancelled at short notice and I offered that we go out regardless and he rejected my offer saying he wasn't feeling well. But then he stayed behind at work for an extra hour and a half that same day as the two of us got talking, even though he had no reason to (I did - I was waiting for a colleague to finish a phone call to a client as I needed to make a similar call myself before the end of the day). There was no one else to talk to and every time he made a move to pack up and go he seemed to think better of it and made himself comfortable again to talk to me some more.

Text messages were initiated by me so far, although he told me at one point to "keep it up and we will get on grand". And while he did not go out with me, he suggested we all get together next week instead. I then said I'd like to see him one-to-one at some point, too; it's nicer to talk that way and he agreed.

He gives off the impression that he is a very private type. He is certainly introverted and admits as much; even said to me that he needs alone time all the time at home and otherwise cannot function.

He may be painfully shy. He gives off the air that someone has royally fucked him over at some point in his life. He clearly responds well to me and he initiates coversation quite a bit, always remembering details of our last conversation.

But the jury is out - is he actually into me? I don't want to be too blunt with him right now. He knows we both have very different lives right now. I don't want to scare him away by coming on too strongly too fast, but I cannot stop thinking about him and it's driving me crazy.

What do mumsnet think?

OP posts:
Honeypickle · 29/10/2018 18:35

How did your drinks go? Hope it was fun!

crimsonlake · 29/10/2018 18:51

Good news then. I was just going to add that you are over analysing all his body language and behaviour etc, that said it seems you have got your man.

HelpMeMakeSense · 16/11/2018 05:30

I don't know whether it's the done thing to update old threads or not, but this is where we are right now.

First date went well, although he had to go home after about an hour or so. He reassured me it wasn't anything to do with me; he just needed to be home (he is caring for his mum at the moment and I reckon he didn't tell her that he was meeting me). BUT no kissing; not even a hug or any sign of physical contact.

We will likely go out again in a few weeks - an evening that time - and I fully plan on initiating physical contact. In the meantime, I have found out that he rarely ever texts anyone back, so is just rubbish on the phone and fully admits to it. He has also started grinning at me for no reason other than eye contact on occasion and told me a few very personal stories. He has a lot going on at the moment, which causes him stress in life and I think he is finding it difficult to focus on much else, so maybe when those things resolve, he will be more open to giving us a proper go.

I'm confused, because I don't get a clear signal. I know he is keen on going out together, because he encourages me to make arrangements, but when I do, things are not always clear-cut. He has started getting comfortable around me and seeking me out in conversations, even joking around (and he is not a joker by a mile).

The more I get to know him, the more I realise that he is not particularly good at communication. I also think that he is incredibly shy and if anything were to happen, it would be a very slow burner. But I like him more and more.

Watch this space; it'll be interesting to know what happens when we see each other again.

OP posts:
Lovemademe · 16/11/2018 08:38

You have been on one date for an hour? And won’t see him for a few weeks? What do you mean he likes you making arrangements when you have only been out once?

Sorry I know you are keen on him but I think you are wasting your time.

TheVanguardSix · 16/11/2018 08:49

I think you're just a friend and that it won't escalate from there, OP. I'm sorry to have to say that. I've been in your shoes and have learned the slow way that really, if he were into you, he'd initiate things more. He really would.

If he were into you, he'd leap at the opportunity to hang out with you one-to-one, shyness and all.

TheVanguardSix · 16/11/2018 08:56

Oh just read your update.
OP, I am so sorry... I am going to be THAT person again.
He sounds like a total oddball. I'm not sure why you're pursuing him. You seem a bit fixated on him and perhaps you like the thrill of the chase. I don't know. I can't see this being much fun. I really can't. He sounds like such hard work and incredibly awkward.
This is who he is. You need to know that he's not going to soften and melt into the guy you think he's capable of being. Just be aware that this is him. What you're seeing is what you're getting. And he just doesn't sound like a lot of warmth and fun.
Are you sure you don't just like the challenge of cracking a tough nut?

bluebell34567 · 16/11/2018 09:16

i wouldnt go for it in the same work environment.
he sounds not well either.

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 16/11/2018 09:32

He really isn’t in to you. Your obsessing abd disescting everything he does and psychoanalysing every conversation you have. He smiles at you when you make eye contact...that’s just normal human interaction! He has given you no reason to think he’s into you. Just drop it. Even if he was a tiny bit into you (and he isn’t) he’s bloody lazy...you (think) he encourages you to make plans then doesn’t bother confirming them. He is not interested. If he was you’d know. For gods sake stop pursuing him and find someone who you don’t have to second guess all the time. And do not initiate physical contact with someone who has given you absolutely no indication they’d welcome it. At best, you’ll make an arse of yourself and at worse you’ll have made him uncomfortable and sabbotaged what might be a good working friendship.

Lovemademe · 16/11/2018 09:36

What does ‘fully plan to initiate physical contact’ mean?

I don’t think that’s fair on him under the circumstances ie him not acting very keen and having a lot of life stress at the moment.

Tenpenny · 16/11/2018 09:55

My general feeling after reading this whole thread is that he isnt into you in the way you'd like Sad too much hard work. Youre seeing him in a very rose tinted way

BlokeHereInPeace · 16/11/2018 10:06

If the genders were reversed people would, rightly, be writing in caps about blocking and talk to hr and all that. Leave the bloke alone!

Fully plan to initiate physical contact. Jesus.

Lweji · 16/11/2018 10:07

Did you actually go on a date or was it dressed as friends going out?

I'm currently dating someone who was a very slow burner but he did encourage one to one outings and I could feel the tension at key times, iykwim.
Your situation seems quite different.

OldChair · 16/11/2018 11:03

Op I could have written your post almost word for word with a man who sounds very similar in character to your bloke down to the anxious introversion and everything! I was doing the exact things you are doing too.

It didn’t end well. We became closer and I eventually confessed my feelings and he said he wasn’t interested like that and he’d never done anything more than friends, which wasn’t true as we’d had drinks alone etc too. Turns out he wasn’t so nice and liked his ego being fed, then he did meet a girl he fancied and I got to see first hand (as we worked together) that it seemed his shyness didn’t stop him asking someone out and seeing them every day when he wanted to.

In retrospect and now the pain has gone and I’ve moved on I think I was a backup plan of sorts, and that he liked me, just not quite enough.

Kittykat93 · 16/11/2018 11:31

Op in the kindest possible way - I think you should leave this guy alone and leave the ball totally in his court.

If a bloke was on here talking about continuously asking a woman out and 'fully planning to initiate physical contact' people would be saying he's creepy. And I'm sorry but your behaviour is too full on. If he wanted physical contact he would have initiated it!!

Adora10 · 16/11/2018 11:54

Even before your update I was going to say he's really not that interested; you basically made it pretty clear what you wanted, surprised you never had bells on; he's been trying to be gentle with you but you are just not taking the hint OP; you have probably scared him off massively as well with your desperation because you do sound desperate to the point you are slightly harassing the poor bloke.

A date for an hour ain't no date; please back off, he's making it abundantly clear; you really need to sit and work out your boundaries because going by this, you are well over stepping marks.

Guy did nothing wrong, you concocted a story in your head about him being shy, reserved, etc!

SandAndSea · 16/11/2018 11:59

I would also advise you to step back.

Lozzerbmc · 16/11/2018 19:23

I agree with previous posters if he was interested he’d pursue you even if shy. Men like to get what they want. Move on before you get hurt i’d say..

Magenta46 · 16/11/2018 19:33

I'd distance myself a bit. If he is interested and genuinely wants to be in your company, he will find a way to do so.

MadGentleman · 17/11/2018 01:34

Hello! Bloke who's an anxious type and over-cautious here to give an insider's point-of-view Grin.

I actually agree with Magenta above. TBH there's no way of knowing 100% if he is or isn't into until you ask, but distancing will give you a fairly strong signal. Like you said, he knows you like him. You need to put the ball in his court. Let him get wondering a bit and preserve your self-respect.

Where I'm going to slightly break the mould is to go back to the different "life stages" you mentioned. I know for a fact there was a woman I once liked and who liked me back - we clicked and had a laugh and there was definitely an option to take things further. But... a) she was over ten years younger than me and b) she didn't have kids and I did. Obviously, I was probably showing signs of attraction subconsciously, but I always tried to keep things professional because...

a) Whilst the age-gap wasn't hugely noticeable then I'd read loads about how it could become a big issue in the future.

b) If she wanted kids I wasn't sure I'd want to be a dad again and even if I did she probably deserved to have them with someone who it was a "first" with too.

c) If she didn't want kids she could change her mind - an ex from my teenager days I stayed friends with did exactly that - swore she'd never had kids when I dated her but now is loving life as a forty-something mum.

d) She worked in the same office as me. As they say: don't piss in the pool you're swimming in. If it ended it would make things intolerable.

A younger, less experienced me would have thrown all that to the wind. But post-divorce, in my forties, I do not want to get hurt again. Of course, we always have to risk our hearts when looking for love, but quite frankly I'll try to minimise those risks as much as I can.

OldChair · 17/11/2018 03:04

Great post mad. I suspect that’s the case with the man I am getting mixed messages from too

Alfie190 · 17/11/2018 03:29

OMG. Will you leave this poor man alone. A man who likes you would spend more than an hour with you in three weeks, I suspect you broke him and he felt he had no option but to meet you for that hour. Seriously is you were the man you would be in HR by now, he is doing everything he can to deflect you and you are justt not taking the hint.

He does not fancy you.

HelpMeMakeSense · 21/11/2018 19:44

Thank you, MadGentleman.

To all those who point out the long time between meetings, I am the limiting factor here. I have kids and cannot go out too often.

I have to say, for the second time I've had my doubts and talked to him - gently - about whether or not he is just being polite, but he is insistent that he is not; he really does want to see me again, he really is just a rubbish person with text messages, but he has a lot on (house sale, his mother that he cares for, non-working transport for ages), so his focus is elsewhere.

The more I talk to him, the more I think he is on the spectrum. So am I, which is why I dissect and analyse a lot, because I cannot just tell and have to use clues to see what is going on.

Every time I read here, I have my doubts, but when we actually do speak and have a heart-to-heart, everything is so easy. He encourages me to keep talking it out.

I still don't know whether I have been friend-zoned or not, but will find out when we see each other again.

And FYI, physical contact is a hug. A bloody hug. I'm not stupid Hmm.

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Equalityumber · 21/11/2018 20:02

This just feels like all one way traffic. Why is it all about him? You should haven’t to encourage him or somehow coax him out of his shell. If he was interested you wouldn’t have these doubts. Are you honestly happy with the way things are? You need to let this guy go because you’re clinging on something that won’t happen.

Ruddygreattiger2016 · 21/11/2018 20:29

If he was interested he would ask you out. He hasn't, which is a pretty big clue he is not interested in you romantically. You are wilfully ignoring all common sense and dreaming up crap which doesn't exist with your 'heart to hearts' (which in reality is a 'chat' btw).
Are you really this desperate for a man that you are happy badgering someone in work?? As pp have pointed out repeatedly, if the genders were reversed you would be reported to hr, although you would probably dream up some scenario of being denied the love of your lifeConfused.
Your behaviour in your workplace is bang out of order but, for some unfathomable reason, you seem oblivious to the extent you are embarassing yourself.

Kittykat93 · 21/11/2018 20:34

Op I give up with this thread. You have asked advice and have been told repeatedly that you're behaviour is too full on and the other guy doesn't sound like he's romantically interested. You're obviously not listening and will continue to keep pestering him in his place of work. 🤷‍♀️

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