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Do you take back the man that saved you, yet hurt you?

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Wakingwillow23 · 08/10/2018 20:19

I apologise in advance for this lengthy thread. I don’t know how to condense want I am currently going through, I am torn, confused, hurting and lost. And I’m hoping I can get some clear headed advice. For those of you who take the time to read this... thank you.

I am 7 years divorced and have 3 incredibly amazing DC. I went through a horrific divorce with a history of domestic violence. Myself and DC victims.

2 years after I left my ex DH, Overwhelmed, confused and going through some pretty tough times, I unexpectedly met someone. It happened when I was least ready, nor looking. Despite him being the most generous, kind and amazing person, I had reasons at the time I felt I shouldn’t get involved. 1. I was in a phase of complete healing. I was broken. Damaged. And struggled with the concept of putting such a wonderful and kind person through what I was going through. 2. I was overly protective of my DC and what they had been through. I hesitated letting another man into their lives. 3. He had never been married. No children. And he was about to step into a newly divorced woman’s life, with 3 little kids and a life full of baggage. How could that possibly work? 4. He was exceptionally good looking, successful, kind, generous. I mean perfect. Why was he single still in his 40’s?
I knocked him back. Politely. He insisted. He pushed. He’d fallen for me. He told me it was his decision if he could handle everything and help unpack the baggage. He said he wanted to.

So I caved and this man became the father figure to my children only a woman could ever dream of for her kids. He loved them as his own. He loved me. He supported me. Backed me. He never tired of anything. He cooked dinner when days were tough. He took my kids to school on mornings I couldn’t get out of bed. He held me when I lay in foetal position. He saved me from taking my life. He stayed. He listened. He loved. He never left. My DC loved and adored him more than life itself. To say he was perfect was an understatement. And after 4 years together, I unexpectedly fell pregnant.

He didn’t want the baby. I was heartbroken. Although not planned, I wanted this more than anything. My DC were enough for him. He loved them as his own, and to use his words, he became an instant dad to 3. Why would he want to change that? He didn’t think he’d cope. Part of me understood. Part of me didn’t. I couldn’t question his love and commitment to me. But he didn’t want our baby? And Nothing was going to change his mind.

6 weeks later I miscarried. I was devastated. He was relieved. He said had I had the baby, he would of course naturally, have stuck by my side and been there. He wouldn’t abandon me, or the baby. BUT - he still wouldn’t move in with us and be a family. He was here maybe 5 or 6 nights a week. But he wouldn’t move in. 4 years later, and he was stalling to take that next step to be a family. I started to resent him. I became angry and somewhat aggressive towards him at times. We’d fight. We’d have a break and after 48 hours we’d always be back. There was no denying how much we loved each other.

We were both unhappy. But both still loved each other and cared very much for one another. A year ago, While on holiday together I came across en email he had sent to an ex girlfriend. Explicit. Devastating. I walked with my 3 DC and told him it was over. I could never trust him again. How many other emails had there been? How many Other women? How could he do this to me and my DC? I was just broken beyond repair. 6 Months later I found myself forgiving him. His remorse was so much that he didn’t know how to even look me in the face. He’d messed up. He never tried to deny it, hide it. Make excuses. He simply copped what he’d done. And I forgave him. He begged for me to take him back and told me he’d do anything. He would move in and be a family. He Simply couldn’t live without me and the DC. I at that point I couldn’t have been happier. He’d changed my world. And now he was dis lily wanting to be a family.

We found a new home, and the day we were to move he pulled the pin. He couldn’t do it. He felt overwhelmed. As much as he loved me and the kids, he struggled with it all. Taking on 3 young children. He needed the break once in a while. He didn’t know how to cope with it all. He told me he was also scarred from the hurt I put him through with my divorce. He loved me.... but he also found it hard and exhausting. I get that. I do. It was the reason I resisted from day 1. Again I walked. This time for good. I requested no contact, which he respected. And we moved on with our lives. Or tried to. Eventually We’d always make excuses to make contact. The DC or this or that. But I refused to go back. He’d hurt me, and I’d hurt him. Until we weeks ago, out of the blue, I messaged him and asked him to come over. The first time I’d seen him in nearly 6 months. I missed him. It a day went by I didn’t eat him here with me.
He was over within 5 minutes and today we find ourselves wondering if we can make it work. I’ve never seen the DC so happy in so Long to see him. ! Love I don’t think an issue. Not from my end. But is love enough? Why didn’t he fight for me and my babies when we left? It was me who went back. He would have respected my wishes and let me move on.

Part of me feels he wants the perfect balance in life. The beautiful family life, and then the days to be a boy, the single boy. Free of the commitment.

I never once in our 5 years together featured on his social media. Why? And wonder, who was he hiding me from? I’m terrified, scared and still so desperately in love with this man. I don’t know if I can trust him. I dont know why he wants to come back. I don’t know why he also can’t let me go. As much as I can’t let him go. We say we are soul mates, yet are we? He struggles to make that final commitment. And I think that’s something I need. Although he says of course, its what he wants to work towards. But he also said that for 5 years.

I couldn’t go through all of this again to have my heart so broken again. Nor could my DC. Or do I walk away and wonder how amazing it could have been had we given it one. Ore chance?

I don’t doubt his love, but I doubt his fear of commitment. So so confused, and hurting right now. My family, as much as they adored him, tell me he will never commit and I am only leading myself into more heartache.

OP posts:
indisdress · 08/10/2018 20:27

As you said, he's had 5 years. Stop bringing him back into your children's lives. He's not good enough for them.

RandomMess · 08/10/2018 20:28

My advice would be to book a relationship therapist where you can have these conversations with someone else providing clarity Thanks

Aquamarine1029 · 08/10/2018 20:32

He clearly has major issues with making a real commitment. No matter how "wonderful" he is in other aspects, deep down he is inherently selfish. Truth is, you just can't trust him.

Prestonsflowers · 08/10/2018 20:40

I would listen to your family, they know him better than any stranger here.
I’ve seen this said several times here and I think it’s very true, especially in your case.

When someone shows you who they are believe them.

If he can’t commit after 5 years then I don’t think anything will change. Walk away now and save yourself even more heartache

Angelf1sh · 08/10/2018 20:42

Nah. It’s been years and he can’t commit. He didn’t want a baby with you, he didn’t want to move in with you, he can’t cope with 24/7 family life and wants breaks so he can message other women. He is never going to be right for you. Move on.

Lifeisabeach09 · 08/10/2018 20:46

Walk away for good if you want a full-on commitment.
Or accept the status quo-you have your home and kids, and he has own somewhat separate life. I don't feel that's such a bad thing.
When you were together, were there photos of you with him on social media? Or were you kept hidden? If the latter, that's more of a red flag then separate homes.
You've given him five years-either accept that doesn't want to fully commit or move on and find someone who will.

Haffiana · 08/10/2018 20:50

To me there is something a bit overdramatic about all this love and terror and broken hearts stuff.

Why do you want him to move in? If he is so great and you have this amazing relationship but live apart - why don't you settle for that? What is the problem? Or has it been 5 years of you trying to get him to turn into something he isn't?

Can you love him the way he is, do you think?

Catsatrophe · 08/10/2018 20:52

You sound a nightmare. And so does he.

saltandvinegarcrisps1 · 08/10/2018 21:03

I’ve never seen the DC so happy in so Long to see him. !

This is so sad ,- to get your DC so worked up.like this when everything is still so up in the air. I feel sorry for them.

Lookatyourwatchnow · 08/10/2018 21:04

Sorry OP, but I really felt for your poor DC reading your post. They didn't ask to be caught up in this confiding on-again-off-again drama. Think about how your relationship ending 'for good' and then later talking about being a family then ending the relationship 'for good' is doing to their little heads. He's not their dad, he's not even a dad or step dad figure, he goes off the radar for months at a time, and all they are learning is that they can't rely on this man who flits in and out of their lives and home. And then, there's the arguing and fighting that they have seen between you two. None of this is good for them. You need to put your DC before your romanticism of this relationship.

Wakingwillow23 · 08/10/2018 21:06

Thanks @catastrophe Maybe we are. I don’t claim to be perfect. I tried to take my own life twice, so I guess that makes for someone pretty messed up doesn’t it. But thanks for the kind words. Which I guess is why you try to reach out to others for some advice isn’t it?

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elfin07 · 08/10/2018 21:09

Sorry but I agree it sounds like you're confusing drama and conflict with love and passion. You can be with someone and be happy without all this breaking up and making up. Bottom line is, if he was a good man and worth being with then he wouldn't have been emailing other women, finding excuses not to commit, etc.

And don't ever give a man the label of 'saving you'; you can and should only save yourself. Sounds like he's brought you a load of trouble and heartache. You'll probably find out in the long run that you're better off without him.

Wakingwillow23 · 08/10/2018 21:11

@saltandvinegarcrisps1 the DC continued to be part of his life despite us not being together. You don’t just rip someone from their lives like that. I would never have done that to either of them. Communication was open for them at all times. They were happy to see us seeing each other again. He remained a constant in their life. They built a relationship with him from an early age. He was as good as a father, and I’m sure that will continue for them regardless of where we end up.

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Catsatrophe · 08/10/2018 21:12

You are not a 'we' are you.

There is no 'we'.

Ffs. Get a grip.

Wakingwillow23 · 08/10/2018 21:14

@Elfin07 it’s easy to say you “should” save yourself but sadly not everyone can, or has the ability to be strong enough to. Not everyone can, as much as we would all like to say we can. He did Save me. Right or wrong. And I’m very grateful for that.

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Wakingwillow23 · 08/10/2018 21:18

@catasrophe do you get off putting other people down? Is that why you jump on these forums? To rip people apart? Why bother? Just pass if you have nothing nice to say! I’m human and I’m struggling atm. My life doesn’t impact you, so why should you bother to comment aside from being nasty?

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3TresTrois · 08/10/2018 21:19

He didn’t want a baby with you and told you that when you were already pregnant with his child. He pulled out of moving in with you at the point it was about to happen.

These aren’t the actions of a committed life partner.

It sounds very much like he has an attachment to you and your children -but not enough of an attachment to really make you his true family through proper commitment.

I wouldn’t personally put my children through any more of the turmoil of this push-pull relationship if I were you. I’d move on properly.

elfin07 · 08/10/2018 21:20

I don't know what you expected OP but you asked for advice and people are giving it. No, we don't think you should carry on with this man unless you're happy with his half commitment. Fine if you are but it doesn't sound like it to me. Therefore you'd be better off learning to be happy alone or finding someone else.

DownTownAbbey · 08/10/2018 21:20

It's possible he likes to 'rescue' women. Rescuers lose interest when the damsel becomes less distressed. He's certainly commitment phobic and I'm afraid that you're rather romanticising your relationship.

You were right for each other for a time. Doesn't mean that now things have moved on you have to cling on to each other. He's messaged other women and kept you at arms length so he's not perfect is he? Love is never enough on it's own.

indisdress · 08/10/2018 21:20

OP, how can you say in one post "how could he do this to my DC?" and in another say that he is as good as a father to them? How did he continue a relationship with them without seeing you in almost 6 months?

That should not have been the case. You are both setting those kids up for heartache.

AtrociousCircumstance · 08/10/2018 21:20

You can’t trust him. And it’s unfair on your DC to put them through any more of this.

Wakingwillow23 · 08/10/2018 21:23

@indisdress either through my parents or my sister. My eldest DS is 13 has his own phone and is old enough to make arranagements. There is a fair age gap between my elsdest and younger 2. I was never involved in communication between him and the children

OP posts:
Catsatrophe · 08/10/2018 21:24

My DC loved and adored him more than life itself

Really?

Catsatrophe · 08/10/2018 21:30

I feel sorry for your 13 year old son.

I was never involved in communication between him and the children says a lot.

Why not involved?

SoleBizzz · 08/10/2018 21:31

I feel.so sorry for the children. Put them first, eh?