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DH has found a 'religion'

95 replies

EachyPeachPearyPlum · 20/09/2018 20:23

Apologies for the lengthy 'ramble'. I can't sort my thoughts out. I also apologise if I word anything badly, I honestly don't mean to offend.

I am agnostic, leaning towards atheist, but have not really thought through my feelings in depth. DH is from a different country that is also very different culturally. He was brought up Catholic, has always said he believes in God, but has never (in the 8yrs I've known him) practiced religion/Catholicism.

He has friends deeply involved in a spiritual 'movement'/'religion'? I don't even know what to call it. Friends/family I have spoken to call it a cult, DH calls it a Centre of Spiritual Study. He has dabbled in the past as something he is interested in but has enjoyed his lifestyle too much to really engage. In the last year he has become much more seriously involved, to the point where every Saturday night is a 'session' of meditation from 8pm-midnight. He has stopped drinking completely, has changed his interest in music totally to now only play certain songs that give messages of love and peace. He feels that he has become a better person, who is more aware of his failings, and is learning to be, amongst other things, more accepting, a better father (to DS, 2.5yrs) and in the near future to DC2, due Jan 19. He describes himself as a 'shaman'.

His newfound beliefs are causing friction or my inability to accept his beliefs are.
I feel that he has become almost fanatical, 80-90% of our conversations seem to end up with me receiving a mini lecture on something to do with the teachings he is learning. I am 5 months pregnant, so am not drinking, but I do like an evening out and a drink, and a lot of our life together has involved drinking and socialising with like minded friends, often in bars playing rock music. Our honeymoon was basically a motorbike tour of bars in Europe! We live fairly rurally now and, with young DC, going out isn't a regular occurrence, but I would like to continue to enjoy the lifestyle we built together.

I hate the fact that God comes up in our conversations so often, it makes me feel uncomfortable, but I really don't know why. Maybe because it is just so different from my instinctive beliefs. He 'accepts' that I will continue to drink, but doesn't like it, I Don't like the thought that he will be watching and judging me every time I do have a glass, especially if our children are around. I don't like that his sessions have become more important than family time, though he denies that. We (he!) Have been renovating and he is very, very busy both with our house and working long hours at work. I often complain we don't have much family time, which he agrees with, but will ALWAYS stop on a Saturday in time to prepare for and participate in his session, but won't always for family time if there is something 'important' to finish on the house.

We have had some big arguments because of tension built up from this. It doesn't help of course, that I am pregnant and probably hormonal, and also, we have his, also deeply involved, friend and his family (DW, DC3 and DC1) staying with us for SIX weeks, in our 2 bedroom house. It's also horribly hot (not UK) and I can't just be comfortable in my own home due to said guests.

I don't know what my point of this is. Has anyone else had experience of a partner finding religion? How has it affected your relationship? Thanks

OP posts:
subspace · 20/09/2018 21:44

People shouldn't call themselves a shaman. My understanding is that the native American root of shamanism is that the shaman does not name themself a shaman, they are referred to as such by the tribe after long periods of learning and serving the community with medicine. I've studied a bit of shamanics and would find it very insulting to the real elders, a bit like taking a six week bible class and calling yourself the Pope.

If he doesn't have a mental health problem already then watch out for one. Four hours of meditation in one go without spending years on your practice could easily cause mental health harm - it's not the harmless practice everybody thinks it is once you start doing over an hour per day unless you have seriously experienced and good support. Add taking Ayahuasca (it's NOT mild!) into the mix and I'd be expecting a psychotic episode at some point.

Shamanics is not to be fucked about with. I'd be highly concerned that the group he's joined are cowboys.

Womaningreen · 20/09/2018 21:44

He's okay with taking drugs but not okay with people having a drink?

I think that stuff is pretty dangerous and I'm not particularly anti drug.

I do know one person whose husband got deeply into religion after a long period of unemployment which made him feel rootless. They got through it because he agreed not to judge and not to push his views but it took a while to reach that point tbh. Couple of years maybe? It was weird. I'm atheist too, so is my friend, and it is hard to have someone basically wanting to convert you.

ginghamstarfish · 20/09/2018 21:45

It sound very self indulgent. Nothing wrong with meditation, and you don't need to be off your head to do it. Sounds like it is not going to be good for you and your children,OP, so a serious talk would be in order, an ultimatum really. Hope you can get through this.

LusaCole · 20/09/2018 21:49

Not sure I could put up with this, OP. It’s not just the Sat night mediations but also the way he sounds quite smug / preachy in between as well.

CisMyArse · 20/09/2018 21:50

The friend that's staying with you - are his children involved in this religion? If so? How?

Does your DH have plans to indoctrinate your DC? This would worry me a great deal.

The psychoactive drug - can you be 100% certain that it won't make him aggressive? Violent?

This whole situation isn't of your making. I would be considering my future with a man like this tbh.

Methe · 20/09/2018 21:56

I’d be out of there like a shot.

AnnaMagnani · 20/09/2018 21:56

Ayahuasca is, as everyone else has said, a very very potent hallucinogenic. Your husband isn't having a mild tea with a bit of herbs in with some tunes playing, he is sitting down once a week to have a trip.

The sort of trip you get with ayahuasca supposedly does make you think you have been revealed the innermost secrets of the universe so is easily linked to religion. Some people who know what they are doing have used it once or twice and apparently felt it gave them great personal insights about themselves.

Your husband on the other hand appears to have been turned into the world's most boring and self-centred twat. His universe centres around him having his weekly drug sesh, more so than actually participating in the life of his family, and he can't have a conversation without droning on about his special shamanic powers given to him by God drugs and how he is right about everything.

In the meantime he has invited the world and his wife to stay at your small family home so his pregant wife can wait on them.

Get rid. Get rid now.

BrazzleDazzleDay · 20/09/2018 21:56

Religion would be a straight end to the relationship to me.

As for the ayahuasca
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ayahuasca-bristol-death-teenager-colombia-drink-tea-drug-henry-miller-inquest-yage-effects-a8514841.html

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 20/09/2018 21:59

I’m mean but was saying ‘please be Scientology, please’ lol

UpstartCrow · 20/09/2018 22:03

The preachiness would annoy me but the really worrying aspect is he is calling himself a Shaman and not an initiate.

He isn't a Shaman. He hasn't even taken the magic herbal tea or done the trip.
He has taken it upon himself to teach you, and thats one hallmark of a controlling man.

eelbecomingforyou · 20/09/2018 22:03

What an absolute flaming cheek. He doesn’t like you drinking, yet is happy to get off his face on ayahuasca?

Pot, kettle.

Shaman? Yeah, right. Arse, more like.

Op, very tricky situation.

TatianaLarina · 20/09/2018 22:04

It takes a long time to train as a shaman in indigenous cultures. He definitely isn’t a shaman.

Ayahuasca can be mixed with other herbs and a British man recently died in S.America after he was given a mixture of Ayahuasca and scopolamine (which comes from nightshade plants - solanaceae).

Also some people have reported sexual abuse during rituals (male and female).

Dandybelle · 20/09/2018 22:05

I think what I would do, OP, is imagine myself meeting him now as the person he has become and ask myself if I would find that person shared my interests and if I was attracted to their personality etc.

If yes, you still would be, then you will ultimately find a way to make it work. Maybe try to help him to understand that while you respect his beliefs you do not share them and find other things to talk about. Maybe start a hobby together so you do have a shared interest that you can partake in and discuss.

If no, you would not be interested in the person he is now if you were meeting for the first time, then you will never be fulfilled by your relationship as it stands, and there's not a great deal you can do about it.

TatianaLarina · 20/09/2018 22:07

^^Miller didn’t die of Ayahuasca on its own.

womanintrousers · 20/09/2018 22:13

You're not allowed a glass of wine but he can trip his balls off? WTF is wrong with him?!

Yabbers · 20/09/2018 22:13

Deal breaker for me. Spending every Saturday night out with friends is a problem whether they are getting pissed in the pub, or singing kumbaya up a mountain.

I’ve never heard of the drug but from what people are saying, that alone would be an issue for me.

I’d throw him out and I certainly wouldn’t have his friends staying for weeks.

womanintrousers · 20/09/2018 22:15

ayahuasca is a wild ride, totally insane. Profound positivity and confidence in your own ability to change the world! It's lunacy - he's deluded and you need to think what you want.

I'm so sorry you're in this situation, what a SELF CENTRED dick! Flowers

womanintrousers · 20/09/2018 22:18

Oh and as pp said, he isn't a shaman unless there is a fast track training service - the parent of one of my clients is a shaman - at last - at the age of 52 and she's been training since she was 20!

HopefullyYes · 20/09/2018 22:28

Christ op I'd be asking him if he realises that the "tea" he is drinking can kill him?

Where does he get it from? It's illegal in the UK. Is it legal where you are?

colditz · 20/09/2018 22:29

Take the word religion out of it and examine his behaviour. He is acting like a person with a serious mental illness.

winegal · 20/09/2018 22:35

I feel for you OP what a crap situation to be in. On top of everything else I think he's a massive bloody hypocrite judging you for having a glass of wine when he's getting off his tits on a psychedelic drug every Saturday night!!!

clumsyduck · 20/09/2018 22:37

So basically he gets off his face every Saturday night and no doubt it's this drug has changed his behaviour / outlook and his beliefs so the vicious circle continues .

Deal breaker for me . Sorry you are going through this op

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/09/2018 22:39

From Wikipedia

People who have consumed ayahuasca report having mystical or religious experiences and spiritual revelations regarding their purpose on earth, the true nature of the universe as well as deep insight into how to be the best person they possibly can. This is viewed by many as a spiritual awakening and what is often described as a rebirth. In addition, it is often reported that individuals feel they gain access to higher spiritual dimensions and make contact with various spiritual or extra-dimensional beings who can act as guides or healers

AyUpMiDuck · 20/09/2018 22:39

I think you need to ask those 'friends' to leave.

CaptainNelson · 20/09/2018 22:44

OP, is your DH Brazilian? Mine is, and I know how they can get about religious/spiritual stuff. People who are incredibly rational and apparently unlikely can get involved in what (we in the UK) see as quite obscure religious groups with incredible seriousness. So I think there is a cultural element here which shouldn't be judged by UK standards.
That said, I wouldn't like the ayahuasca stuff and I agree with PPS that you need to think carefully about how you feel about the man you're now married to, not just about him as a dad. Then talk to him about what you're feeling, if you haven't done so already. I know this must be really hard for you, with a small DS and a baby on the way. Flowers