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When almost everything is perfect but...

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futureunsure · 04/09/2018 07:39

I need to write this down to try and make sense of how I'm feeling and to ask advice.

I've been with my partner for over 2 years and on the whole I am very happy. I was in a series of awful relationships beforehand, one lasting 15 years (with father of my children) and a few short term disappointing relationships that led me to do the freedom program.

When I met my current partner, it was so refreshing to be myself and be accepted for me. We have fun, he is kind and respectful and I do love him.

However, he has never been an overly romantic partner and there is no passion. He always tells me he loves me, his actions reflect his words and I do feel loved by him, but the lack of passion leaves me feeling somewhat like an extremely close flatmate!

The first few months of dating, I guess there was more passion, but we were still getting to know each other and making more of an effort. But still- it was far different to what I'd experienced before. I put it down to shyness.

We don't live together yet, we both have full custody of our own children, so for practical reasons we are waiting until they are a little older. We see each other every weekend alternating houses, go on family holidays and mini breaks and are in contact daily. But the fact we do not live together means I'd expect a lot more desire when we see each other from his point of view. Not necessarily tearing each other's clothes off (no chance of that with kids around!) but more than a hug and peck on lips! Even when we watch tv, we are at opposite end of the sofa!!

He's never been a kisser. A short lip kiss but not much more. I found it strange at first but sort of accepted it. But now it's bothering me. Sex is sex- not intimate. No kissing, no foreplay - just get into bed and know what's going to happen.

Yet he always cuddles me after, tells me he loves me and that I am the most amazing partner ever.

He talks about our future, does what he says he will do, is always an amazing support in every situation, is a fantastic role model for my children and puts them first (he has encouraged and paid for certain hobbies to enhance their lives which has had a positive influence on them), my family adore him etc.

My point I guess is that in every other way he is perfect. I would be mad to end it over lack of intimacy. But I'm scared in a few years time I will resent it more.

I've brought this up with him and he was shocked and looked a little hurt. He said he didn't realise and has taken it on board, but things only change for a bit and not by a great deal tbh before old habits form again.

He is younger than me, a little shy in comparison to me and not had many girlfriends before me (although two have been long term) I don't know if this is part of it?

My previous relationships were passionate but I was treated appallingly. My current partner and I have never argue and it is so refreshing but I'm starting to feel a little alone in my relationship and it's making me feel insecure.

Anyone been in my situation. Am I being unreasonable or should I just suck it up.

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Singlenotsingle · 04/09/2018 07:44

Maybe it's up to you to make the first moves? Maybe you should go and sit next to him on the sofa and cuddle up? It takes two...

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 07:48

Single- I do! But when it's all one sided it doesn't make me feel any better.

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Thingsdogetbetter · 04/09/2018 08:32

When you spoke to him, did you give him very clear practical ways you would like him to show affection? Or a vague I need more affection with a couple of hints?

If you didn't give clear instructions then some men are just left confused. You make the effort, he sees that as more affection and thinks job done.

Try telling him you want to sit together on the sofa and he needs to move towards you. Tell him you would like a lingering kiss goodbye. Etc etc. "I really like it when xxx" and then let him know when he's doing it right:"I really liked it when you xxxx".

And dear God, tell him no foreplay no sex!! He's presuming you're enjoying as much as he is, so you need to tell him straight out "I want foreplay EVERY time" and tell him exactly what you like. If you're having sex, you should be mature enough to discuss it outside the bedroom, in detail!

If he's perfect in every other way, this can be worked on, but it takes time and you being clear about exactly what you want and letting him know when he's doing it right.

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 08:44

Thanks Thingsdogetbetter. I'm quite direct to be fair. And he is responsive when I talk to him. It's more that it seems so unnatural for him which in turn makes me feel worse about it. Then it phases out anyway until I bring it up again.

As for sex- I have kind of just got to a point that I do it as it's what's expected to happen when we go to bed. I'm kind of guessing he's just not a very sexual person 😕. It's kind of always been me from the start that's took the lead and initiated it. It feels un sexy to have to guide him through the motions! He seems to enjoy it but it's not like it comes from a desire to have sex- more like routine.

No, I guess I don't always enjoy it. I don't feel connected when we have sex.

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RatRolyPoly · 04/09/2018 09:02

This might be an entirely unrelated question, but I'm just exploring a hunch; you don't know why his previous long-term relationships ended do you?

Like I say, might be completely irrelevant.

NadiaLeon · 04/09/2018 09:09

What are you insinuating Rat?

RatRolyPoly · 04/09/2018 09:15

Nothing all that specific Nadia, just curious I suppose. Can't put my finger on it, thought it might shed some light.

I find the kissing-less sex a bit strange if I'm honest, but if he's not a kisser in general I guess that explains it.

noego · 04/09/2018 09:28

Perhaps instead of being confrontational it might be more empathetic to understand why he is non tactile or affectionate. There could be a deep rooted explanation that might help him let go of his reservations.

dragonflyflew · 04/09/2018 10:48

This sounds so much like my marriage, even down to the kissing. It did nothing for my self esteem, especially when I realised he was regularly getting off to porn whilst we had occasional silent sex with his eyes closed.
It wasn't bad to start with and I thought I could encourage him to get more into it with time, he didn't, he really hated any kind of 'snogging'
I divorced him for many reasons but sadly that was one of the main ones.

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 10:55

His first relationship ended as it was toxic (hence full custody of his child), the second was due to her having mental health issues in which she ended things and didn't want to continue the relationship.

I've tried to get him to dig deep. But he really doesn't seem to know how to express himself.

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futureunsure · 04/09/2018 10:57

Dragon- oh dear- silent sex with eyes closed! You've just described my situation.

Was he loving in other ways?

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picklepost · 04/09/2018 11:10

Gay?

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 11:21

There's no sign of him being gay. It did cross my mind.

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dragonflyflew · 04/09/2018 11:22

futureunsure , he was the perfect partner in many ways. People said I was lucky to have him because he was so hands on and supportive as I have health issues.
The house was always immaculate, he cooked daily and was a high earner.
Good looking, lots of people fancied him, well traveled, intelligent but also bored me to tears. He was cold, controlling and quite repressed.
I felt dead inside when we were together, were more like flatmates and co-parents.
I've really struggled in many ways without him, financially, mentally, managing the kids, keeping on top of the house etc but I've also had more fun since than I ever did with him and have honestly felt more alive than ever. I was depressed and suicidal with him and couldn't see my life continue in that way forever. He refused to change or address any of my concerns.
I was lonely.
He's a good dad, supportive and has the kids regularly.
And I've had some of the best sex of my life since we split!

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 11:33

Dragon- sorry to hear that, but happy that you are enjoying life more now!

My partner is far from controlling. He is fun in all other aspects which is what is so hard and frustrating about this

I used to think I'd hit gold as he was the first partner that didn't gawp at other women on tv or in rl. In fact, it was me that pushed to find out his celebrity crush and 'type' of woman. He never makes me feel in competition with anyone and in that respect, never makes me feel insecure by comparing me to other women. All my exes did that.

He always tells me he loves me, how much I mean to him etc. And whenever I have expressed my feelings, he is forever checking in with me for reassurance that we are all good.

But my self esteem is slowly starting to erode as I'm longing to feel desired by him romantically.

He does nice gestures, cooks for me and is there for me. But it's starting to feel like a best friend scenario.

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sunshinesupermum · 04/09/2018 11:40

My (Gay) ex husband hated kissing - sorry OP but everything you've written reminds me of the red flags during my marriage right from his early 'shyness', lack of previous long term relationships, no cuddles etc etc. He seemed wonderful in so many other ways but he was hiding a secret and it was devastating when I found out the truth after many years.

Please don't let him erode your self confidence any further. It won't get better however hard you try.

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 11:46

Wow... that's hard to process. My partner literally shows no other signs. But what else would there be?! Did your ex have a type of woman preference when you asked? Did you ever ask if he was gay? If so how was his reaction??

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futureunsure · 04/09/2018 11:47

And he generally doesn't seem to want to loose me. We have no ties, he could leave anytime. I don't understand?!

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sunshinesupermum · 04/09/2018 12:05

He said he loved me but wasn't very affectionate - my daughter told me after we split that she never saw us cuddling on the sofa together - both he and I were brought up in quite unemotional families so I thought the lack of affection was normal until I met my current partner (who is most affectionate and passionate when making love).

My ex kept asking me not to leave him when he suspected I'd met someone else - I had no intention of leaving him, I loved him because he was a perfect partner in so many ways - until I discovered he'd been a Jekyll and Hyde character for the whole of our marriage and he finally admitted he was gay! Even his family guessed although they never said anything to me. I've no doubt your partner would deny it if questioned but your experience brings back memories!

Loopytiles · 04/09/2018 12:11

So he shows no physical affection or other behaviours suggesting sexual attraction, and is bad in bed.

Deal breaker IMO.

Gay? Porn issue?

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 12:35

Sunshine- I'm so shocked as it's so similar. He is affectionate in the way he speaks to me - odd compliments, comments on how we have a lovely relationship etc, caring etc. He makes the odd sexual innuendo but there's never a build up of sexual tension throughout the day or when we have the very odd day/eve without kids.

He is very in to how he looks and what he wears but is not a flirt and does not come across as an attention seeker.

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futureunsure · 04/09/2018 12:37

Loopy- I know he watches porn. How much I don't know. But again, I only know because I got it out of him. He seems shy to admit it. I didn't have an issue with it as such but now I'm not sure.

Surely if he watches porn he'd be more up to trying exciting things. I'm hardly a prude

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Paddley · 04/09/2018 12:41

Do you have any idea of the type of porn he watches OP?

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 12:43

No idea what's so ever.

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RatRolyPoly · 04/09/2018 12:44

Hmm. Okay, well I'm prepared to be waaay off the mark with this one, but I'm going to throw it out there just in case.

There is a kind of man who has a problem with intimacy with actual real women, particularly intimacy of the sexual kind, as they fear rejection, humiliation, their partner's disappointment and a whole host of other things. Typically they are lovely and kind and wonderful, and seem sweet, shy and hugely respectful in bed. But they wish they weren't. They wish they could let rip and have the kind of sex they dream of. They sometimes even resent their partner for making them feel so afraid of it (although typically this is further down the line).

They also usually watch a lot of porn and yet have unadventurous, unintimate and functional sex. Often there is only one kind of woman they can have the kind of sex that they desire with, and that is a prostitute, because they're not burdened by the fear of disappointing someone they've paid for.

Like I say, perhaps completely irrelevant but just throwing it in the mix.

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