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When almost everything is perfect but...

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futureunsure · 04/09/2018 07:39

I need to write this down to try and make sense of how I'm feeling and to ask advice.

I've been with my partner for over 2 years and on the whole I am very happy. I was in a series of awful relationships beforehand, one lasting 15 years (with father of my children) and a few short term disappointing relationships that led me to do the freedom program.

When I met my current partner, it was so refreshing to be myself and be accepted for me. We have fun, he is kind and respectful and I do love him.

However, he has never been an overly romantic partner and there is no passion. He always tells me he loves me, his actions reflect his words and I do feel loved by him, but the lack of passion leaves me feeling somewhat like an extremely close flatmate!

The first few months of dating, I guess there was more passion, but we were still getting to know each other and making more of an effort. But still- it was far different to what I'd experienced before. I put it down to shyness.

We don't live together yet, we both have full custody of our own children, so for practical reasons we are waiting until they are a little older. We see each other every weekend alternating houses, go on family holidays and mini breaks and are in contact daily. But the fact we do not live together means I'd expect a lot more desire when we see each other from his point of view. Not necessarily tearing each other's clothes off (no chance of that with kids around!) but more than a hug and peck on lips! Even when we watch tv, we are at opposite end of the sofa!!

He's never been a kisser. A short lip kiss but not much more. I found it strange at first but sort of accepted it. But now it's bothering me. Sex is sex- not intimate. No kissing, no foreplay - just get into bed and know what's going to happen.

Yet he always cuddles me after, tells me he loves me and that I am the most amazing partner ever.

He talks about our future, does what he says he will do, is always an amazing support in every situation, is a fantastic role model for my children and puts them first (he has encouraged and paid for certain hobbies to enhance their lives which has had a positive influence on them), my family adore him etc.

My point I guess is that in every other way he is perfect. I would be mad to end it over lack of intimacy. But I'm scared in a few years time I will resent it more.

I've brought this up with him and he was shocked and looked a little hurt. He said he didn't realise and has taken it on board, but things only change for a bit and not by a great deal tbh before old habits form again.

He is younger than me, a little shy in comparison to me and not had many girlfriends before me (although two have been long term) I don't know if this is part of it?

My previous relationships were passionate but I was treated appallingly. My current partner and I have never argue and it is so refreshing but I'm starting to feel a little alone in my relationship and it's making me feel insecure.

Anyone been in my situation. Am I being unreasonable or should I just suck it up.

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kidsneedfathers · 04/09/2018 12:55

A suggestion : try for a while (2/3 months) to be just friends (no sex at all -no hugs etc) and start speaking progressively about the men you fancy, and ask him what he thinks about them -bring him in the conversation and in the confesdion mood and if he is gay you might eventually discover that there are common names in both your lists of men you fancy...and at least you will gain both your freedom and a wonderful gay friend (I have gay friends; they are my best friends...)..if he is not gay then you might get a glimpse of his inner life and that might help you build a better romantical relationship or amicably split...Good Luck!

Cawfee · 04/09/2018 13:29

You say he watches porn so should be up for it but porn is easy and (not being judgemental because I enjoy it too) it’s selfish. It’s all about you personally getting off and you don’t have to worry about pleasing anybody else. It’s lazy/easy sex to be honest. Quick fix. He sounds lazy in the bedroom dept in my book

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 13:30

Rat- that's an interesting point of view. But if that's true in my case, I still can't get my head around it!

In the early days of our relationship, I was very up for being adventurous. I'd talk about what I liked and tried to find out what and how he likes things. It was awkward to say the least! He seemed uncomfortable so I let it go. I thought that being as he was everything else I'd ever dreamed of having in a man, that perhaps my ideas and view on sex was not normal in a loving and respectful relationship.

I've gained a bit of weight (not much) so I guess I'm feeling more insecure now than ever. If it wasn't for the fact he's always been like this, I'd assume it was because of me. But, I'm quite confident that I could loose the weight, pull out my finest sexy attire and it would not make the blindest bit of difference in the bedroom!!!

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futureunsure · 04/09/2018 13:31

He's 30 by the way! If that's relevant. I'm slightly older.

He's past relationships the women have been slightly older (not by much).

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futureunsure · 04/09/2018 13:32

Cawfee - is it possible to be the most selfless kind man in every aspect but selfish in bed? Genuine question

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futureunsure · 04/09/2018 13:34

Kids- thanks for your input. I do appreciate it. But I can't see that working

My head is even more twisted than before I posted this thread!

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RatRolyPoly · 04/09/2018 13:52

I can imagine it would be twisted future, it's a kind of odd situation I suppose. It's doubly odd that you did in fact try to bring him out of himself but he wasn't into it, particularly as you say he's watched porn. It's not like he doesn't realise people do this sort of thing in bed!

That's what makes me wonder, I suppose, if he might be one of those with a "madonna and whore" complex. So some women are for loving in a wholesome, respectable, relationship way and some women are for sex (seen as degrading and dirty), and never the twain shall meet! It's more common than you'd think...

But equally, yeah, could be totally not that at all!!

How confusing.

What does he say when you suggest maybe spicing things up a bit, or perhaps simply ...kissing (!!) during sex?

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 14:05

When I've suggested things in the past (wouldn't bother now), he's kind of acted surprised (but in a nervous jokey way) but avoided having an opinion. He is dead silent in bed. Never comments on me, not vocal on what he wants or what's happening. - god it sounds awful written down!

He has given me oral sex once! On my suggestion. I could tell he struggled and I never mentioned it again- neither did he!!!

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futureunsure · 04/09/2018 14:07

Rat- I'm not one of those naive women who think he couldn't possibly be having an affair - but I never get that vibe from him. So this Madonna/whore complex - seems viable but then I guess he'd have someone on the side?

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RatRolyPoly · 04/09/2018 15:04

So this Madonna/whore complex - seems viable but then I guess he'd have someone on the side?

I don't think so, I don't think that's how it works (not an expert). I think it just means they really struggle (often due to childhood issues surrounding their mother) to reconcile their perceptions of two types of women in order to have a fully functioning sexual and emotional relationship with one person. I don't think it means they necessarily have to be fulfilling both sides with different people at any one time; I imagine porn is the release for a lot of men who struggle with this.

Like I say, not an expert. Just something I've come across and wondered if it might be relevant.

PS.... couldn't live without oral sex!!!

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 15:11

Rat- haha! Try being me! 😕.

You make a lot of sense. The reality is it could be any or none of the mentioned possibilities.

Out of interest - what role does their mother have in this complex?!

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Loopytiles · 04/09/2018 15:17

Some men watch lots of porn and become addicted or prefer this to a real life sexual relationship. Eg “death grip” issues with their cock!

Why not just be friends with him?

Loopytiles · 04/09/2018 15:18

Whatever the reason, seems grim to remain in a sexual relationship where there is no kissing, affection, no clear sexual desire for you on his part, and the sex is bad.

RatRolyPoly · 04/09/2018 15:20

Out of interest - what role does their mother have in this complex?!

You know what, I don't know... but Google does! God bless Google.

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-mysteries-love/201503/what-no-one-tells-you-about-avoidant-men

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 15:23

Loopy it's not quite that simple as just being friends. A lot has been invested into this relationship and all other areas of it is spot on. I'd much rather try and salvage it but first I want to work out what the intimacy issue is

I know that nobody here can tell me. Only he knows. But it helps to get views so I can look for clues and work out a different way of approaching him. Obviously how I've done it hasn't worked.

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TatianaLarina · 04/09/2018 15:29

I think he’s just not that good in bed. He hasn’t really worked out how to how to connect with someone sexually and build a feeling and a mood and release it. He doesn’t really understand intimacy.

It’s more like the old wham bam thank you mam kind of sex.

Sounds like it comes from his personality rather than porn per se.

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 15:29

Thank you rat. An interesting read!

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TatianaLarina · 04/09/2018 15:32

He sounds a bit fastidious - he obviously doesn’t like kissing or oral - which is fine no-one should have to do what they don’t like - but it’s part of a slight disconnect.

futureunsure · 04/09/2018 15:32

Tatiana - do you think that can be worked on? It's not like I can ring round his exes and ask what he was like in the sack.

It's not that I'm some sex crazed woman. It's more that intimacy and connection I crave. I love him and hurts that he can show this in every other way except that.

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TatianaLarina · 04/09/2018 15:38

Xpost I doubt it.

I think the question is whether you can accept the status quo as the rest of the relationship is good, or if you really can’t work with it.

TatianaLarina · 04/09/2018 15:40

It sounds like, in essence, he doesnt have a massively high sex drive and he’s a bit naive sexually. Can you work around that?

RatRolyPoly · 04/09/2018 15:44

It sounds like, in essence, he doesnt have a massively high sex drive and he’s a bit naive sexually.

I wouldn't assume that at all. ...but perhaps I'm biased by personal experience.

ItsABlusteryDay · 04/09/2018 16:03

Could he be asexual/grey sexual?

Sexuality is not black and white; some people identify in the grey area between asexual and sexual. People who identify as grey-A can include, but are not limited to those who:

do not normally experience sexual attraction, but do experience it sometimes
experience sexual attraction, but a low sex drive
experience sexual attraction and drive, but not strongly enough to want to act on them
people who can enjoy and desire sex, but only under very limited and specific circumstances
Similarly, some people who might technically belong to the gray area choose to identify as asexual because it is easier to explain. For example, if someone has experienced sexual attraction on one or two brief, fleeting occasions in their life, they might prefer to call themselves asexual because it is not worth the bother of having to explain these one or two occasions to everyone who asks about their orientation.

ItsABlusteryDay · 04/09/2018 16:04

*Copied from wiki

Loopytiles · 04/09/2018 16:05

Beware the “sunk costs fallacy”.

The cause of his issues aren’t the main point - you can tell him you’re unhappy with the status quo bur can’t “fix” him. He’s unlikely to change.

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