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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

This is a yukky one - what would you do

59 replies

OMGMyLifeIsCrazy · 21/08/2018 03:28

I have posted before but lost my login so I've created a new one. Before you read on, this is a topic that I'm not comfortable discussing but I'd really love some feedback from other mumsnetters.
Ok, here goes - sorry for the long post.
My husband and I have been together for 18 years, married for the last couple. The first 15 years our relationship was difficult but we have always worked things out - destiny I guess and the last 2 years have been great except for one very big thing.
My husband believes I've cheated on him. No evidence, no proof - just a gut feeling he has. He says the right things - "that he's choosing to believe me and knows his thinking is crazy" but every time the conversation comes up and we have heated words, his true thoughts come out. First of all, let me explain that I have never cheated on anyone and I never would. By nature, I'm a 'do things right' sort of person and I rarely do anything illegal, immoral and generally, I'm very sensible. Secondly, let me say that it's unlikely that he has cheated on me. Finally, we have been to counselling, both individually and separately but the counselling hasn't really helped. This is the background for rest of this post.

Ok, sex talk now. I have never really liked sex much while he has a very high sex drive. A couple of years ago, he was having a casual smoke (yes, that sort of smoke) and I never joined him when he did this but really didn't mind that he did it sometimes as he never drinks or does anything else. Anyway, our relationship was going through a lull and I joked that if he passed his smoke to me, I might be more fun in the bedroom. As it turns out, I still don't have any real interest in sex until I smoke - inhibitions gone and sex life became amazing. Unfortunately, I think this is what fed his idea that I have cheated as I became a lot more adventurous and keen to try new things. He has told me a few times in the last few months, that he believes the imaginary person I cheated with must be well endowed because I am now very loose and he gets no real enjoyment from sex because of it. I am late 40s and I know our bodies change with menopause etc but I think the main reason he is noticing this is because he, himself isn't terribly big and in the previous times we had sex, I was never aroused or ready for sex. Now that we've found a way to enjoy things, I do get very aroused and this is why things might feel different. This makes sense to me but he honestly believes that someone else has 'stretched' me. I even got his dr to explain the impossibility of his rationale but he still believes what he believes.
Aside from the very obvious problem I'm sure you can all see with the above, the big thing I would love input on is whether I am being emotionally unreasonable in being devastated about the way he tells me these things. He is rude, condemning and uses very graphic language when explaining his beliefs. It makes me feel dirty (even though I've done nothing wrong) and generally devastated that he thinks this of me and my body. After our last chat a week ago like this, I now don't want to have sex with him as how you can relax or enjoy if you know your partner thinks you feel like a prostitute (he has said this on one occasion). I try to do kiegels regularly but I really don't think he is right about the size of things down there. I think I'm pretty normal but always seemed super tight before because I wasn't aroused.
Thanks for reading this far - just typing it has been therapeutic. If you have any thoughts that might help, please comment but be kind. My self esteem is pretty crushed these days.

OP posts:
WhoWants2Know · 21/08/2018 03:36

Smoking weed can make some people paranoid, and perhaps that's happened with him. But the behaviour you're describing sounds abusive and unhealthy. You don't have to stay around to put up with it.

skunkatanka · 21/08/2018 03:40

I'm amused that you say you rarely do anything illegal whilst admitting to smoking illegal drugs OP.

OMGMyLifeIsCrazy · 21/08/2018 03:46

Lol skunkatanka. I was waiting for someone to point that out. That's why I changed it from 'never' originally to 'rarely'. I don't drink, don't speed, I'm kind to everyone, I help people and generally I'm a good, decent person. Yes, I now smoke on occasion late at night and I suppose this means that I do one thing in life that I shouldn't. I can live with that.

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Blondebakingmumma · 21/08/2018 03:49

He sounds like he really believes his delusions. Maybe take him back to the GP and get a referral to a psychiatrist. I don’t want to alarm you but I read a similar thread to this on MN before and the OPs hubby became more suspicious to the point of her meeting her imaginary lover on the deck while hubby slept. From memory her hubby became dangerous in the end. I think he smoked too 🤔

LellyMcKelly · 21/08/2018 03:56

I think he has fairly serious mental health problems - paranoia, delusions, and that you are in a mentally abusive relationship.

Skittlesandbeer · 21/08/2018 04:12

He’s having irrational thoughts and paranoid ones. It’s escalated, and turned into insulting you and your body.

Just for a minute imagine his issue was about something different. Like spiders. An irrational fear, right? Now imagine he got worse and started seeing spiders where there weren’t any, and accusing you of planting spiders on purpose to harm him. It would be pretty clear to you that there was something seriously wrong with his mental health. Not something normal couples therapy was going to solve, right?

I suspect that because his issue centres on you, your fidelity, your body parts, that you’ve become convinced you have some responsibility in it? That if you were loving enough, persuasive enough, reassuring enough he would ‘get normal’?

You didn’t cause this
You can’t control this
You can’t cure this

Yes, it’s embarrassing that his problem makes him talk about your body, your truthfulness, etc. Don’t let this stop you getting help for him. Proper psychiatric help. Tell everyone, until you find the right helpline, medical person or support group.

Whatever’s gone awry in his mind, the dynamic between you is not the issue. Every time you waver, because your self esteem has taken a (real) battering, remind yourself that it could just as easily been spiders, or being outdoors or the colour purple. You are rational. He is not rational and needs serious help before he gets worse.

BlueJava · 21/08/2018 04:12

I feel for you OP, my OH accused me of this and I'd never done anything. I was devastated and physically ill when he accused me. It was completely untrue and I still don't know what he based it on or who it was meant to be that I was cheating with.He has got over it now, but I haven't really (only on the surface). I don't drink, don't smoke, no weed, rarely go out on nights out apart from a language class or something. He's certainly not paranoid either and he's not smoked week ever.

No advice for you apart from to say it really changed my life, I was quite outgoing and chatty to everyone but now I am not. Sorry for your trouble, take care.

Musti · 21/08/2018 06:05

My ex accursed me of sleeping with other men throughout our relationship. I never cheated nor did any man proposition me or come on to me. I was a sahm for the most part with 4 children surrounded by fiends and the only men I talked to were married to my friends. There was no basis to his suspicions.

But it changed how I behaved. I avoided girls night outs or any activity that I felt would trigger his jealousy. But he still managed to be suspicious of me talking to certain husbands at parties.

I split up from him last year but it took me a good 8 months to relax and stop walking on eggshells. I've started going out and doing whatever I wanted in recent months and it feels great. Op I would not stay with him. If you enjoy sex only when you're high then the problem is him and how he makes you feel. Finish with him and enjoy your life.

Toptheginup · 21/08/2018 06:05

Have you ever taken the time to read the thread at the top of this page? Entitled RIGHT, LISTEN UP EVERYBODY?
Your man is abusive and sounds like the cannabis is messing with his head!

StealthPolarBear · 21/08/2018 06:17

He's abusive. And it strikes me that you've been with his 18 years but the first 15 were a struggle?! Please free yourself!

ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 21/08/2018 06:38

So, to sum up, 15 shit years, followed by 2 years of being repeatedly mind-fucked with baseless accusations of cheating, and bullying and graphic, unkind body-shaming.

Your husband sounds like a complete asshole and it's no surprise your self-esteem is crushed. Honestly, if my partner had a go at me for being "loose down there" even once I would find it hard to get past, and more than once would certainly mean a divorce. You don't see this as being as horrific as it really is because you've become inured to his awful behavior over years. It's completely unacceptable for him to treat you this way.

Time to tell him it's over. Hopefully you will one day meet a well-endowed replacement who appreciates and respects you.

Dennishoppersocks · 21/08/2018 06:52

Sex when not aroused?Sad Oh OP, even aside from everything else that is terrible. Assault.

I hardly know where to start. And this isn’t “destiny”, it’s abuse.

picklemepopcorn · 21/08/2018 06:55

Bless you. I bet you're feeling a bit panicky reading this. Take a breath. Have a think. And then get your ducks in a row. I agree with all the PPs.

KeiTeNgeNge · 21/08/2018 06:58

Doesn’t sound like reasoning with him will work.

sunsunsunsunsun · 21/08/2018 06:59

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cakecakecheese · 21/08/2018 07:02

I'm sorry but he sounds horrible. Instead of telling him he's a paranoid idiot who needs to shove off you're doing kegal exercises?! Staying with him with just continue to erode your self esteem.

AstralTraveller · 21/08/2018 07:04

OP you can't seriously be considering staying with this man for the rest of your life. I suspect he smokes weed a whole lot more than you realise and the times you think he is only doing it is when he wants you to do it too so he gets his leg over. He is really abusive. He has no fear you will leave and fully vents his ridiculous fears and paranoid delusions onto you. Get out from underneath the psychological burden of this idiot please. There are no redeeming features that can compensate for his behaviour towards you. You are obviously bright, intelligent and articulate. This stands out from your post. You have him pegged. Get rid.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 21/08/2018 07:05

The first 15 years our relationship was difficult but we have always worked things out - destiny I guess and the last 2 years have been great except for one very big thing.

The first 15 years were difficult because you are in an abusive relationship.

AstralTraveller · 21/08/2018 07:09

Also OP and this is meant kindly. You describe this situation yourself as 'yukky'. Do your really want to stay in a yukky situation?

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 21/08/2018 07:11

He needs to come off the drugs.

Hissy · 21/08/2018 07:19

He sounds EXACTLY like my abusive ex, even down to the “down there” comments

It’s all lies

They say that shit to upset and hurt you. It’s literally made up to make you doubt yourself

I’d venture further that he DID cheat as accusing others of what you’ve done yourself is absolutely art of the script

Cut him loose, you’ll never regret it.

I have a new oh now and I can’t tell you how great it is to be loved by a decent kind and generous man.

DorothyBastard · 21/08/2018 07:22

He sounds horrible. If someone periodically accused me of cheating based on their own cannabis-fuelled paranoia, frequently had sex with me when I ‘wasn’t ready’ (which I assume means he made no efforts with foreplay or trying to make sex a mutually enjoyable experience), and then told me I had a slack vagina from all the affairs I was having, there’s no way I’d stick around in that relationship. It sounds like he barely thinks of you as a human being, let alone a life partner to love and cherish. You are worth more than this OMGMyLife

Startoftheyear2018 · 21/08/2018 07:26

Useful BBC article www.bbc.com/news/stories-44850438

BitOutOfPractice · 21/08/2018 07:29

This isn’t destiny. It’s abuse.

AnoukSpirit · 21/08/2018 07:32

He has told me... I am now very loose and he gets no real enjoyment from sex because of it

This, along with the rest of what you've described, is straight out of the abusive men textbook.

It's about control, and making you feel shit about yourself so you are easier to control.

Get yourself on the Freedom Programme, www.freedomprogramme.co.uk