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This is a yukky one - what would you do

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OMGMyLifeIsCrazy · 21/08/2018 03:28

I have posted before but lost my login so I've created a new one. Before you read on, this is a topic that I'm not comfortable discussing but I'd really love some feedback from other mumsnetters.
Ok, here goes - sorry for the long post.
My husband and I have been together for 18 years, married for the last couple. The first 15 years our relationship was difficult but we have always worked things out - destiny I guess and the last 2 years have been great except for one very big thing.
My husband believes I've cheated on him. No evidence, no proof - just a gut feeling he has. He says the right things - "that he's choosing to believe me and knows his thinking is crazy" but every time the conversation comes up and we have heated words, his true thoughts come out. First of all, let me explain that I have never cheated on anyone and I never would. By nature, I'm a 'do things right' sort of person and I rarely do anything illegal, immoral and generally, I'm very sensible. Secondly, let me say that it's unlikely that he has cheated on me. Finally, we have been to counselling, both individually and separately but the counselling hasn't really helped. This is the background for rest of this post.

Ok, sex talk now. I have never really liked sex much while he has a very high sex drive. A couple of years ago, he was having a casual smoke (yes, that sort of smoke) and I never joined him when he did this but really didn't mind that he did it sometimes as he never drinks or does anything else. Anyway, our relationship was going through a lull and I joked that if he passed his smoke to me, I might be more fun in the bedroom. As it turns out, I still don't have any real interest in sex until I smoke - inhibitions gone and sex life became amazing. Unfortunately, I think this is what fed his idea that I have cheated as I became a lot more adventurous and keen to try new things. He has told me a few times in the last few months, that he believes the imaginary person I cheated with must be well endowed because I am now very loose and he gets no real enjoyment from sex because of it. I am late 40s and I know our bodies change with menopause etc but I think the main reason he is noticing this is because he, himself isn't terribly big and in the previous times we had sex, I was never aroused or ready for sex. Now that we've found a way to enjoy things, I do get very aroused and this is why things might feel different. This makes sense to me but he honestly believes that someone else has 'stretched' me. I even got his dr to explain the impossibility of his rationale but he still believes what he believes.
Aside from the very obvious problem I'm sure you can all see with the above, the big thing I would love input on is whether I am being emotionally unreasonable in being devastated about the way he tells me these things. He is rude, condemning and uses very graphic language when explaining his beliefs. It makes me feel dirty (even though I've done nothing wrong) and generally devastated that he thinks this of me and my body. After our last chat a week ago like this, I now don't want to have sex with him as how you can relax or enjoy if you know your partner thinks you feel like a prostitute (he has said this on one occasion). I try to do kiegels regularly but I really don't think he is right about the size of things down there. I think I'm pretty normal but always seemed super tight before because I wasn't aroused.
Thanks for reading this far - just typing it has been therapeutic. If you have any thoughts that might help, please comment but be kind. My self esteem is pretty crushed these days.

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AnoukSpirit · 21/08/2018 07:36

Oh, and:

My self esteem is pretty crushed these days.

This is the hallmark of being in abusive relationship. People who love us build us up, and want to see us flourish and thrive. A healthy relationship does not crush our self esteem.

People who have been abusing us break us down and try to shatter our self esteem so we can be more easily controlled, and so we don't leave them because we think we don't deserve anything better or that we are unlovable and would therefore be alone forever if we left.

It's all lies and manipulation.

Cupoteap · 21/08/2018 07:39

It sounds like he prefers having sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex.

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/08/2018 07:46

here is an article that proves sex doesn’t stretch your vagina. It’s in the bit before kegels. He is an abusive arse.

toomanyeastereggsurghh · 21/08/2018 07:48

OMG why would you let someone talk to you like this?! If my OH accused me repeatedly of cheating and said anything like what yours is saying he would be long gone! Have some self respect and don’t let him treat you like this.

Moomicorn · 21/08/2018 07:56

This is abuse. Very serious, misogynistic abuse. The way he is talking to you reveals how he views women.

I don’t think this is as a result of cannabis induced paranoia. That might make him think you might have been unfaithful but wouldn’t make him express that thought in degrading and graphic ways.

Any type of sexually degrading talk or actions would be an absolute deal breaker for me.

eddielizzard · 21/08/2018 07:59

I don't think there's much future here. He's being abusive. Beating you with a stick for something you haven't done.

user1461609321 · 21/08/2018 08:01

I think that he has very low self esteem and is simply projecting his insecurities onto you! Eg he knows that he has a small penis, so goes on about your big vagina to make up for it!

Next time he makes a rude comment about you down there, say something like.... no love I think your dick's too satisfy a real woman! I was just humouring you the last time- pretending I enjoyed it/ that's why I need to be high to forget about your size ! And see how he likes it!

Also repeatedly accusing you of cheating is again about him, perhaps he knows that he is an inadequate lover and partner and is secretly scared that you will leave, so voices his fear of you cheating constantly, so you will reassure him that you will not! Or if you finally do leave, he can tell himself that he was right all along-WITHOUT taking responsibility for his actions within the relationship! Hmm

Roussette · 21/08/2018 08:02

He sounds revolting. Why on earth are you with him?

If the last 2 years are passable, god alone knows what the first 15 years were like. He is accusing you of cheating to cover up his own inadequacies... he probably suffers from erectile dysfunction because of all the weed, and rather than be honest, he'll blame you for being slack.

How on earth do women have babies if a well endowed man could make things slack, he is just vile for even insinuating this.

I am sure, OP, you are worth more than this disgusting man.

Roussette · 21/08/2018 08:03

Yes, agree with PP. He's too small to satisfy a woman, so let's blame the woman...

Shoxfordian · 21/08/2018 08:12

He's jealous and abusive
Don't put up with this shit for the rest of your life

MrsMozart · 21/08/2018 08:23

Lass, do you really want yo spend the rest of your life like this?

Either he gets specialist help (as Skittles says), or you exit stage left. The alternative is not a good life.

Slimmingsnake · 21/08/2018 08:26

No bastard would insult my body and ever have sex with me again...your dh is fucked up..clearly due to the long term drugs problem he has.....what would I do??? Divorce the fucker asap..no one needs that shit in their life,he's more hassle than he's worth........and where is your self worth ????? You explained about him saying your vagina was baggy to a dr ,who then reassured him? ....I cannot belive you did that ...have you no dignity???....FFS LTB

Zamaz · 21/08/2018 08:31

No one has a right to make you feel the way he is making you feel. Particularly your husband, who surely of all people should be your team mate in life, not making you feel awful! You don't have to stand for this terrible behaviour and emotional abuse. You are worth more than this.
Please get some help and support to talk this through and explore your options - speak to your GP, Relate or a local women's charity.

Roussette · 21/08/2018 08:36

No bastard would insult my body and ever have sex with me again

^^ This.

ClemDanfango · 21/08/2018 08:42

You’re in an abusive marriage. You’ve become so accustomed to his emotional abuse that you can’t see it.
Has he been having sex with you even though he knows you didn’t want to? That’s coercion and sexual assault/rape.

Contact women’s aid and ask about freedom programme in your area.
I’m sorry you’ve lived with this for so long that’s its become normal to you, you don’t have to put up with this.

Onthebrink87 · 21/08/2018 08:44

Simply put. GET THE FUCK OUT. LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE!! It's as obvious and the nose on my fave that man needs help - just because he is unstable does NOT excise his behaviour! And whilst you, i and every woman reading can tell he needs help, he won't think so and it will likely be a long time until he accepts that if at all so won't be getting better in the foreseeable. It's likely to get worse and escalate quickly. Before you know it you can't leave the house etc and will find yourself being apologising for breathing too loudly. When you're a shell of yourself with no confidence or self worth, i wouldn't be surprised if he got physical. I dont know you and I haven't met you but I'm genuinely begging you to put yourself first and go.

hellsbellsmelons · 21/08/2018 08:45

My self esteem is pretty crushed these days
This sentence just proves that he is an abusive asshole!

Why are you putting up with this?
Don't fall into the 'sunk cost fallacy'
That way madness lies.

The smoking could be making him paranoid but I'd bet money that's he's had an affair somewhere along the line.
The projecting his guilt onto you and judging you by his own standards.

Life is short. Too short for this shite!
Please find the strength to walk away from this abuse.
It's messing with your head and your mental health.
No 'man' is worth this.

Womens Aid may be able to help you to see this for what it is.
Please do their Freedom Programme.
And reach out for RL support.
You deserve far far better than this crap treatment.

Renarde1975 · 21/08/2018 09:04

Yeah - am rapidly forming some very unpleasent ideas about this guy...

Poster above says sounds as if he prefers having sex with a woman who doesn't want it. Bingo!

Poster who said he is using more weed than you think? I agree.

Also the vagina thing? Total and utter fucking rubbish. THIS is devaluement.

I'm also minded of the frog in the saucepan analogy - you've put up with far too much for far too long. You deserve better OP.

How intelligent is he? How well does he control his temper?

TriptychTwins · 21/08/2018 09:05

Blaming you for his lack of prowess in bed comes straight out of the abuser's handbook.

My ex blamed his hair trigger on me. Apparently I was "a funny shape internally"

I left, and me and my funny shaped internals have never looked back.

bethy15 · 21/08/2018 09:26

because I am now very loose and he gets no real enjoyment from sex because of it.
I even got his dr to explain the impossibility of his rationale but he still believes what he believes.

This is very disturbing. I have vaginismus and there is no such thing as 'being tgiht' it's just our bodies not being ready and resisting penetration. Men who enjoy a woman being extra tight are enjoying the sensation of your body not wanting to have sex, and the fact he isn't enjoying it because your body is now opening up is awful.

But apart from that, he's called you a prostitute, making you feel dirty and using graphic language.
You say there have been issues in the past, but you believe destiny has kept you together. I'm sorry to say that no, it was abuse that has.

I think you need some help with leaving this man now. At least the doctor is aware of his behaviour and I'm guessing has seen first hand you needed it to be explained as he didn't believe you. I would use this doctor as a base for help in leaving him along with Women's Aid.

OMGMyLifeIsCrazy · 21/08/2018 09:57

Ok. Thank you for your comments everyone. I am now over analysing trying to work out whether I am in fact in an abusive relationship or not. Just to clarify, the earlier relationship sex was always consentual. I never wanted it but gave it a go once a week/fortnight and never really told him I don't love sex.
I do think he has mental problems and that's where the counseling started in an effort to make him see the light but it didn't really get us anywhere unfortunately.
Except around the accusation topic, he had me on a pedestal and treats me beautifully (at least I've always thought). Now I'm feeling a bit confused.... Well, a lot confused actually. The counselor I was seeing said she felt I was super level headed and she couldn't really help me with much. Maybe I'll get back to that for me and see where it takes me.

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bethy15 · 21/08/2018 10:02

Except around the accusation topic, he had me on a pedestal and treats me beautifully (at least I've always thought).

This is fairly typical with abusers.

Renarde1975 · 21/08/2018 10:14

Pedestal? Oh yes. It's always the case. Some remain on it for a long time (years even) and others are fairly regularly ripped down before being put up there again. The see-saw.

It is an abusive relationship OP.

hellsbellsmelons · 21/08/2018 10:14

I am now over analysing trying to work out whether I am in fact in an abusive relationship or not
YES YOU ARE!!!!!!!
We've all said so.
We can all see it.
It's hard when you are in the situataion but please believe us all.
He's a nasty abusive dickhead with a small prick!

OMGMyLifeIsCrazy · 21/08/2018 10:24

Oh, and I should also mention that the first fifteen years were mostly troubled by finances and my son from my first marriage who was out of control from age three onwards.

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