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Married to someone with Asperger's? Support group here!

941 replies

picklemepopcorn · 03/08/2018 10:04

This thread is for partners seeking to understand the dynamics of their relationship with someone with ASD. It is a support thread, and a safe space to have a bit of a rant. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.
(ASD partners welcome to lurk or pop in, but please don't argue with other posters and tell them they are wrong.)

OP posts:
Eyesfinallyopen · 10/11/2018 07:39

Thanks Earl grey and miscentury. I've become accepting now of his inability to respond or act in a supportive emotional way (sometimes it's like he's almost childlike). I have had no other option. I have been unconsciously filling my life with outside joy so to speak. We met in our mid 30s and I am so thankful that I had other boyfriends previously and had great sex (sorry if that's tmi). I take responsibility for the relationship. In my mid 30s, i was looking for stability and his quiet steadiness was a draw. He is fully reliable and honest. He needs very little in his life. He can happily not talk for hours and hours yet is content. Earlier in the relationship, he did try to insist things were done his way. He is very particular about how things are done and used to create an atmosphere where my son and I felt in the wrong whatever we did. I now don't allow this to happen. I draw his attention to his offhand manner and speak up. Things are calmer. Yet I feel completely alone in this relationship. I ensure that our son sees his friends regularly and gets involved in sport and all the usual teenage socialising. I take care of my health through exercise and seeing friends. I need to talk about it and that's why I'm here. I feel on the verge of discussing it in real life. I had a great relationship with his mother who recently died. When i look back i think she tried to hint at his condition. She always took my side over his. I suspect her husband has it.

There are all all kinds of Aspergers. I now understand that his withdrawal from anything emotional or having to deal with people is not malicious. It's draining for him and he doesn't have the skills to navigate relationships. He has one friend from his school days who never married and also works in accountancy. They see each other 3/4 times per year otherwise he is happy to stay in every night. He has never organised a night out, a holiday or a day trip.

It's cathartic putting it down on paper.

midcenturylegs · 10/11/2018 13:04

@Eyesfinallyopen You sound like an exceptionally self-aware woman and a really good Mum. Do please talk to your friends in the same way you have with us? I think you'll find you will have a lot of support x

Moffa · 10/11/2018 15:12

@eyesfinallyopen

Everything you said Flowers

Eyesfinallyopen · 10/11/2018 16:43

Thanks @midcenturylegs and @Moffa. Hope you both are coping okay. x

MrsSpocksSister · 10/11/2018 17:26

@midcenturylegs, arf @ 'an hour of technical coding problems before I'd said hello'.

In the distant days when DH worked, he did the same. And he was a machine code specialist 😱😱😱

I've since realised it was effectively sheltered employment. He never had to manage others, worked alone and had all the time he needed for each problem. His immediate colleagues were in two different continents and they communicated by email. His solutions either worked or they didn't, there were no grey areas. So his 'success' was illusory: when he was made redundant he turned out to have no transferable skills.

MrsSpocksSister · 11/11/2018 14:27

He's making an effort. I cooked a special celebration dinner last night for friends to celebrate his birthday. Polished the candlesticks, ironed linen cloth and napkins, the works. He kissed me as we were getting ready and said 'thanks for doing this '.

Moffa · 11/11/2018 14:43

Mines making an effort too. Plus I’m just telling him what he needs to do as I’m not doing everything anymore!

badaboum · 11/11/2018 17:36

OP and all of you whom have shared on this thread THANK YOU, it is life changing.
DH is 'there is nothing wrong with me' /undiagnosed, but in his case, probably a good thing as a diagnosis would probably give him unmitigated, unlimited justification for his habitual flaunting of common rules and codes. Frightening.

20+ years of marriage and finally - finally - reading this thread is like stepping on the other side of the looking-glass.

I don't talk about it to anyone, since in my experience it's pointless, pretty quickly you stop embarrassing yourself.

I won't bore you with the details of our joyless, boring home life; Groundhog Day every day with DH behaving like a devious 10 years old in a middle aged man's body, with access to the internet and a bank account.

Although we were lucky enough to start life on a good footing + in the 90's when banks were falling over themselves to lend you money, we have nothing to show for it. Debts, yes. He has created a prison of financial, social and emotional chaos which precludes anything but the most basic, immediate survival, forget clearing your head enough to even start seeing HOW you can get out.
He has gambled, and lost our house, the children's education, every material security and investment we ever had. (that's not theft, by the way, it's a personality quirk and makes for a very good dinner party story.)

As far as I am concerned, the money thing (which I cannot get my head around when you have dependent children) still hurts a hell of a lot less than the countless emotional betrayals.I always expect a knife in my back, just out of habit now. I wouldn't put anything past him. I am in no doubt that he would throw me under a bus to save himself. He would never look after me in bad health or dotage!

I have covered a lot for him, socially and in my mind, probably because at one point I had to accept that my mother is a narcissist (NC) so it was hard to admit there was something not right ALSO with him.
I reasoned that that since I was the common denominator between 2 difficult people, I must be the problem! Of course! Cue 20 years of trying to fix my many faults. Thinking I must be narcissistic and mad and bad for having these horrid, pointless arguments with him.

I am so sad our beautiful children grew up under the yolk of their father's self-inflicted bullshit. But they seem to be ok, for now, very grounded. Resigned (with various degrees of amusement) to their father's oddness and much more mature than he will ever be. They are great people and the light of my life. How can they not be affected ? A formal diagnosis for their father would probably benefit them more than him, I expect.

I feel so ashamed about how our lives have turned out. Although people's opinion shouldn't matter, it's mortifying to be associated with a loose cannon, suffer for his mistakes AND be tainted by association.

It took me ages to realise that for a long time he painted me as the pampered, never satisfied wife that demanded he took financial l risks to fund her lifestyle, not out of nastiness, just because that was a convenient explanation for his obviously stupid decisions!
I was, in fact, pleading with him to stop shovelling good money after bad into pies in the sky ventures. He hated me meddling into something I 'knew nothing about' and started to actively dislike me then, I think.

His friends seem to have all fallen through the cracks, or keep their distance now, invariably they have told me I was 'not at all what they expected' upon meeting them.
Luckily I still have some rock solid friends. I tell them the bare minimum, I don't want to lose them and also want to forget about him, sometimes! They understand enough and are of good advice when I ask.

There are very few things he can do on his own. He is exhausting and relentless in his demands.

Unusually he is away for a few days and I have had the sheer luck to come across this thread and time to read it and and process my shit. Unbelievable!

The deal is this now: I will care for him just as much as he cares for us., PLAN and EXIT!

Such a long post, sorry and thank you to anyone who reads it at all.
Thank you so much for sharing your stories and feeling, an enormous help to me and many I am sure.
All the best to all of you. Flowers

Bluebellforest1 · 11/11/2018 18:32

badaboum

Welcome. Glad you found us. No time now (because he is on my fucking shoulder) to write more now, but please read the thread through, and also the previous thread.
And check out www.different-together.co.uk for more support and info.
Flowers for you

Moffa · 11/11/2018 19:29

**It took me ages to realise that for a long time he painted me as the pampered, never satisfied wife

Welcome Badaboum - my DH is like this - thinks I have the life of Riley doing EVERYTHING for the kids (both pre-schoolers) / fortunately for me he is right with money & wont spend (except on himself). Planning my exit too. He’s been nice lately but tonight started belittling me in front of the kids again, reminding me why I’m planning to leave in January. I just want to get DC’s birthday and Xmas out the way then start a new page.

badaboum · 11/11/2018 19:47

Thank you Bluebell I've read the previous thread and explored some of the links and halfway through this one - emotional. Hope you have as good an evening as possible Flowers

Oh Moffa it's wrong! Sad I hope you have lots of support. All the best for you exit - so glad you are not putting up with it for as long as I have! Clever girl. Brew

MyBrexitIsIll · 11/11/2018 19:54

The deal is this now: I will care for him just as much as he cares for us.

Detached, detached, detached. That has been my way of dealing with things too.
And I have to say it's making things much easier

Moffa · 11/11/2018 19:56

Yes detach!

The problem is when the end comes I will be ready. I suspect he won’t be. He will feel wronged as he is always right Confused

Eyesfinallyopen · 11/11/2018 21:19

@badaboum Please don't feel ashamed. I am so sorry that you are in this situation, NOT of your causing. I also say detach from him and try not to let his behaviour affect you. The loss of your money must be heart breaking. You've said that others were surprised when they met you, I'm sure anyone worth being friends with, will see through his superficial veneer. Prioritise your own wellbeing and that of your children. Stop taking care of him. Try to be around him as little as possible until you can execute your exit. Take heart that there seems to be a lot of us out there! And we are all willing you to be at peace and happy as far away from him as possible.

Bluebellforest1 · 11/11/2018 21:24

Moffa “The problem is when the end comes I will be ready. I suspect he won’t be. He will feel wronged as he is always right confused”

^^this.
I’m ready for the off, my ducks are in a row, I’m waiting for the right moment. He wont be ready, at all. He thinks we’re fine. Of course he does because he has no idea how I feel, what I feel or think, or who I really am. I can’t tell him because he won’t understand, he’s never wrong.
It’s shit.

Moffa · 11/11/2018 21:57

@bluebellforest1 it’s crazy isn’t it?!

I keep thinking things could be so different this time next year!

AutisticHedgehog · 11/11/2018 23:10

If anyone with an ASD is reading this thread, please be aware that all the “traits” that are being mentioned here in many cases are simply an unhappy spouse, with no psychology qualifications whatsoever, concluding that their partner is on the autistic spectrum.

As someone who has been formally diagnosed as having an ASD, and who struggled with it on a daily basis (and it has had a huge impact on my MH) I find this thread deeply ableist. But as happens so often on MN, it is ok to make disparaging remarks against autism.

Please do not think that what is being described is a true reflection of autism.

shouldhavelistenedtom0ther · 12/11/2018 07:06

Hello,

Thank you for starting this thread. I am separated from my husband (diagnosed with AS six years ago) but we still see each other daily and we have learnt a lot about how to understand and support each other.

My eldest son also has AS and he is very different, in terms of personality, from my husband. However, my husband was growing up at a time when next to nothing was known about autism as a spectrum and he has been affected by some negative experiences.

We find that living apart, but being together (in terms of support and companionship) works well for us. However, we are a slightly older couple (late fifties) and there is only one child (now late teen) living at home (with me) so our situation may be different from that of younger couples.

As PP have suggested, the forum 'Different Together' is very supportive.

badaboum · 12/11/2018 08:29

@Eyesfinallyopen Thank you for your kind words. Kindness makes me cry these days Confused as it probably does for many of us?

@MyBrexit and @Moffa detach is key, of course, the only way.
Strangely, though, when I do and make all the right noises and am even more accommodating as as result of not caring, he does feel the change and become more difficult/scary. He seems to feed on me being uncomfortable, that's what makes him comfortable.

This thread really resonate with me and makes me question the way I have reacted; along the way I lost the will to see things from his point of view and to support him in his difficulties, because there is absolutely no point and no progress, ever. That does not make me a very nice person to live with either. Like many have pointed out, you become cold and numb.

What can I do to help is one of his favourite too! And nothing I suggest is worthy of his time. Very confusing. I haven't got a clue what to reply to that anymore.
He talks at me in a very loud voice and will explain at length the simplest, dullest things in 3 or 4 different ways, enunciating very clearly.
This only apply to the most remote, irrelevant subjects.
However he simply refuses to discuss any important subject, or his way to discuss them (if I am lucky) is to announce his decision and repeat it louder and louder if I ask for his reasons/want to discuss.

@Hedghog Thank you for your input, absolutely on point, stunningly demonstrates what the problem is.

midcenturylegs · 12/11/2018 08:45

@Moffa
Where do you live? If anywhere near London always happy to meet up

@AutisticHedgehog
I think everyone here is not meaning in any way to be negative about autism. It's just a safe place to rant and get support. My ex was diagnosed formally by Maxine Aston in her Coventry office - she's the one who has written all those books for Aspergers wives. She gave us so much advise on how to manage our relationship - not to "cure" him - as another poster said I was saying but things for him to do. But he didn't do them and I lived for years feeling like I was doing everything wrong and came of the relationship a shell of myself. 2 stone heavier, lethargic, suffering from huge anxiety and very lonely. That's just my experience and this is what this thread is here for. I still have great respect for my ex in many ways - but I will not go there again. My DD and I don't need his big house and money - we just need warmth.
It's better that we are able to vent here I think?

MrsKrampus · 12/11/2018 08:59

Hedgehog, my ex was formally diagnosed with ASD.

Do I think all of his negative, and abusive, traits are due to his condition? No. Do I think Autism negatively impacted our relationship? Yes. But as I have said, I can't believe that all Autistic people behave this way.

I'm sorry that this thread is hard to read. But these are our experiences and we need to talk about them because they have left us damaged and traumatised.

europa70 · 12/11/2018 11:29

At last..here you all are. Thank God.
Im too tangled to write too much but would like to ask a question: has anyone here had any success with marriage guidance ( bog standard kindie not specialising in Nt-AS couples)?? This is my last shot. Ive been to therapy, and it helped identify my PTSD from abusive mother and historic sexual assaults. He went to 3 therapists, hasn't changed at all and now thinks he's done his bit. So couples counselling is my last try. We've only been married for 3 years. I have nobody i can confide in; I'm torn about speaking to friends for fear of "exposing' him, but I cannot carry this alone. I'm in tears every day, at some point, over seemingly nothing. He is away with work most of the time and I can live normally ( i.e. no rigid routines, go to bed when I like, the house stays tidy etc )but he is back tonight and tomorrow we have a counselling session. In the last one i lost it a bit and exploded with frustration. Then was told to keep my voice down by the counsellor as there were 'other people using the building' so much for a safe space!! I cannot express how much of a lifeline this thread is giving me. So, thank you, thank you.

earlgreymarl · 12/11/2018 16:19

Hugs Europa

Moffa · 12/11/2018 16:26

Hi @europa70 - gosh that sounds awful. Do you have any DC’s together?

I gave a big birthday coming up. H has told me to sort out my own present & given me a budget. Today when I tried to tell him what I had in mind over the phone he told me he was busy & hung up. I’m so sick of buying my own presents!

Moffa · 12/11/2018 16:27

*Have, not gave!