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Married to someone with Asperger's? Support group here!

941 replies

picklemepopcorn · 03/08/2018 10:04

This thread is for partners seeking to understand the dynamics of their relationship with someone with ASD. It is a support thread, and a safe space to have a bit of a rant. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.
(ASD partners welcome to lurk or pop in, but please don't argue with other posters and tell them they are wrong.)

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Bluebellforest1 · 06/11/2018 10:24

Hi and welcome waiting, lots of support here, though we’re a bit quiet at the moment.

moffa I could have written your last post. My H constantly badgers me about the dog, thinks she’s ill (for no good reason) but won’t take her to the vets, apparently that’s my job.
And what you said about how charming your husband was when you met, and how he changed after the wedding. Me too.

I’m coming to the realisation that I can’t continue like this, it’ll kill me. Like others though, I dread the process, my H will be shocked, he thinks we are fine. It’ll be like kicking a wounded puppy and I don’t know if I can muster the strength.

Flowers for us all dealing with this.

Moffa · 06/11/2018 17:44

I’m here! Reading and watching!

Plotting and planning (after a hideous row on bonfire night!)

Had a stroke of total luck last week. He is very secretive about finances and controls the purse strings like Maggie Thatcher. I literally have no idea what he earns (family business). Anyway, he had done his tax return and I offered to post it as I was going to the village. Cue me sitting in my car photographing all the documents which included mortgage statements, pension, shares, bank interest statements etc. Then I whatsapped them to my mum, deleted them from my phone and WhatsApp! I felt SO NERVOUS! Then sealed up the envelope, sellotaped it and posted it.

If we get divorced he will fight not to give me a penny so it’s significant for me to have this information.

I’m seeing a house tomorrow with my mum. My parents have told me they are so sad at the way he treats me & they think he’s a bully. I was surprised as I don’t even think they see anything like the worst of his behaviour towards me. My two best friends have also expressed that they don’t think he is nice to me. Again I was surprised as he generally performs the perfect gent in company. The mask must slip sometimes.

I keep reading things on here like:

Is this how you want to live your life. NO

Is this how you want your kids to see you treated? NO

How do I even start the conversation with someone who thinks they are perfect?!!!

Bluebellforest1 · 06/11/2018 19:18

Moffa said

How do I even start the conversation with someone who thinks they are perfect?!!!

Absolutely! That’s it for me, I don’t know how to start the conversation. I know (as said by midcenturylegs above, that I’ll have to accept the blame. It couldn’t possibly be his fault of course (this is his 3rd marriage - I know, I know- but the other 2 divorces weren’t his fault!!!)

Moffa well done for getting that financial info, I did that last year when h was away, photocopied everything, put in a box and put in son’s loft - told him not to open.

But, my ducks are in a row. I know what I have financially, I know what i can afford. I’m 64 so have no parents to help me out, but my youngest son and partner were here last weekend, and it came out in conversation that they are currently putting up partner’s uncle short term. So if push came to shove, I assume they would put me up short term. That gives me a lot of comfort, even though I hate to ask any of my kids to help me out.

And yes, he plays the perfect partner in public, but the mask slipped last weekend when he fell asleep, pissed, at 7pm both nights.

MrsKrampus · 06/11/2018 20:22

Hello everyone, sorry to barge in here but this thread just appeared on active and I had to take a look.

I was with my ex for 6 years and we split up in 2015. After our split he was diagnosed with Autism. I am still processing the toll the relationship took on me.

I'd love to take part of this conversation if it's ok. Wishing you all the very best.

Moffa · 06/11/2018 20:28

@Mrs Krampus welcome! Can you tell us more about your story? How is life now?

@bluebellforest1 we can support each other through this Flowers

Bluebellforest1 · 06/11/2018 20:35

Moffa thank you Flowers to you too x

MrsKrampus welcome. Please tell us more

earlgreymarl · 06/11/2018 20:39

Hello everyone, have been a bit absent, will have a scroll through now, hope everyone is ok.

PetalsOnTheStream · 06/11/2018 20:42

Add

Hi all. Flowers

Sorry in advance if this is long, or I'm duplicating anything someone else has said... I'm "nerding" a bit here, plus trying to get some clarity on some stuff for myself...

TL:DR I'm part of a family of probable aspies (including me) and trying to figure out how ASD ameliorates (or doesn't) harmful behaviours in relationships.

I'm kind of hoping what I write will help both myself and anyone else who feels they recognise some of my thought processes.

*

So I've posted on MN in recent months under different names but kept getting the heebie-geebies about privacy (I'm a bit paranoid ATM) so deleted then restarted again...

So anyway, I've mostly lurked on the site and only posted a few times in AIBU or relationships as having some issues with H.

I'm a bit anxiety prone, and especially when I've noticed this post I've wanted to read/comment but been scared as I believe I myself am on the spectrum (didn't really like other children as a child myself, my friends said I was weird and annoying as a teenager because I'm always goofing around - my H says this too, people used to think I was being rude when I wasn't because of my facial expressions or staring, as a grown up have been described as "unusual" quite often, I don't "get" sarcasm or jokes sometimes, have sensory issues, fairly frequent "stims", high level of intelligence but low level of common sense sometimes, obsessions, collections, and yet am disorganised and very inattentive at times... Blah blah, etc...

But because I'm very affectionate, have gained insight and adapted as I've got older, had a dysfunctional upbringing which caused other complicating symptoms, and there's nobody to give childhood history I can't really obtain a diagnosis...

However, I have children on the spectrum, and there's other in my family of origin who seem to fit the bill, and finally, I believe some of my friends and my hubby are too (I've noticed aspies seem to attract each other sometimes)...

So... Yeah...

My problem for some time has been, how to know where the "line" should be drawn in regards to accommodating for aspergers/ASD and not accepting it as a credible excuse for certain behaviours from my H in particular.

A lot of things he does are well within the realms of emotional abuse and there are too many issues to list here...

What I've had trouble with was how much his possible "ASD" (which he may of course, not have) means he "can't help it"...

But not only have I read a great article on emotional abuse (EA) that, especially assuming they're writing about non-ASD people, basically states it's the harm not the intention that matters. And I think that counts for people on the spectrum.

I myself have adapted a lot to try to behave better with others (not being so controlling, learning to understand other people's intentions much much better, being less obsessive and loads of other things), and I've noticed things about my kids that likewise, neurotypical people can do better for them - such as not being irritable if they are making odd noises or jumping, or encouraging interests and listening a little bit even if they're being bores (my eldest goes on about the universe sometimes), and in general I try to teach my kids to take turns talking, try to imagine other people's feelings if they can, and say if they need someone to explain something they don't understand (like a metaphor for instance)...

But in any case, unless someone is very far into the autism spectrum, it's possible to learn - at least to a degree... So yes, you can have a successful relationship with a non-aspie and an aspie but there might be adaptation needed by both parties.

But I think what I'm learning and what this thread is sort of helping with (as well as just thinking of it in terms of "normal" relationships - i.e. imagining neither party has any emotional or learning difficulties) is that if the harm to yourself goes beyond what you're willing to accommodate (which ideally should be none but rarely is anyone that perfect) then you have every right to ignore any "needs" the other person has.

An example in my case is that my H often accuses other people of lying or saying things they haven't said (while ironically being the one who actually does this), and often I can't tell if he's genuinely confused, or gaslighting me.

This is dangerous because if I accommodate for him enough I will start to doubt myself - let me rephrase - I have accommodated for him and literally let myself be gaslighted...

Now whether he understands fully that he's doing it, is still somewhat questionable. Personally I think he does at least sometimes.

But if we assume it's unintentional, it's still harmful to me, and I have to learn to protect myself.

I won't bore you with a list (because it would be long) but we have many more issues than this, and I'm finally realising that I've got to protect myself.

And if I eventually leave him (I'm not there yet but it's in my mind), his feelings can't stop me from practicing self care.

Not only that - if I can unlearn some of my shittier behaviours then anyone can.

I'm even at the point where I've been employed as a carer with others on the spectrum and one guy ,who everybody falls in love with instantly) is repetitive and demanding, but we are slowly teaching him how to plan, and wait.

But we choose that job, and his mother also loves him enough to help that job. Others don't have to if they don't want.

I guess I just feel like I'm finding my feet with not just allowing myself to be controlled, as well as not trying to control others.

It's a weird old minefield ain't it?

Anyway, I hope I haven't bored you to death! Wink

Hugs to all (because some aspired do like hugs a lot, believe it or not).

Grin
PetalsOnTheStream · 06/11/2018 20:43

^ dunno why it says "add" at the top. My obsessive side is not happy with that lol

Moffa · 06/11/2018 21:21

Hi Petals! Welcome to the thread. Can you give us a few examples of your H’s behaviour that affects you?

PetalsOnTheStream · 06/11/2018 22:40

Hi Moffa,

Well I don't know which ones are possible aspie related issues and which are arseholse related issues, so don't take everything as definitely being relevant to the Asperger side of it...

But some are;

-Tells me, for example, "I love you but you're annoying/get on my nerves", comments that I "need to lose a few pounds", or spontaneously says that "big bottoms aren't my 'thing'" (I have a round booty and this is still the case even when I'm slim), with a seeming lack of understanding that these are unnecessary comments - especially given I didn't bring up the subject.

-Thinks it's "helpful" to point out that doing certain things or going certain places is not a "good idea" because it might lead to me being mugged/raped/crashing on the motorway/inconveniencing him/meeting someone else.

-Has a repeating pattern of seemingly "picking" certain people to hate, obsessively, and complains frequently about them over long periods of time (sometimes years!). Sees himself as a victim in such scenarios, and won't let go.

-Told me he "went off" sex after I got sterilised as to him, sex was just functional in making babies. He said this in an attempt to acknowledge that it was an unreasonable thought, but didn't understand that if he knew it wasn't reasonable to think it, it was hurtful to say it.

-Is extremely obsessive about work. He cannot relax. When he sets his mind on something he always follows through (which is a good thing), but often to the detriment of time spent with family or me (not so much a good thing!)...

-Cannot seem to understand when people are bored. Often ignores me when I say I'm going to bed and launches into a half hour or hour long monologue while I stand yawning.

-Lies, a lot. Or gets confused. I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure some is outright lying. Accuses others of lying. Literally says "I didn't say that" then says whatever it was he denied saying again 5 minutes later.

PetalsOnTheStream · 06/11/2018 22:44

Oh and he seems to keep getting taken in by seeming "get rich quick" or pyramid schemes... Is surprisingly smart in some ways but shockingly naive in others especially as he's an older gentleman.

PetalsOnTheStream · 07/11/2018 06:15

You know what? I just read a thread about someone else who was leaving their partner and it made me think...

So I came back and re-read that list and I'm still "excusing" him ("doesn't seem to understand"... etc.)....

He bloody does understand- I've told him clearly and repeatedly I find it hurtful. He has responded with good understanding and promised to do better (in some ways he has but in crucial other ways he hasn't)!

I also left out some things which are how his behaviour has affected us as a family. I, my children, and other people find him passive aggressive and intimidating. He lost a job because of this and we are under financial strain now. But of course it's not his fault!

Autism (whether he has it or not) isn't a free pass - especially as I've changed my behaviour and know first hand it isn't.

midcenturylegs · 07/11/2018 08:41

@PetalsOnTheStream
Hi there. And welcome 
I think you've been extremely brave to write this all down. I really do feel for you, a lot. You are so spot on when it comes to drawing a line between adapting to the Aspie ans protecting yourself.. like another poster said (Sorry writing this using the app so cant scroll up) the toll of living with someone who's ASD yet has not made an effort to adapt him/herself is so detrimental. I've broken up with my Aspie ex and I am still struggling. I've started dating again (online) but I'm struggling because I have forgotten how to hold a normal conversation with man in that context!!!
Keep talking - we are all here x

PetalsOnTheStream · 07/11/2018 10:17

Thank you. It helps a lot to have these thoughts validated.

MrsKrampus · 07/11/2018 11:25

Thanks for the welcome, and @Petal I can relate to a lot of what you write.

During the relationship with my ex, the biggest issue was whenever I felt sad or upset he would get very angry and accuse me of not coping, he would say "why should I have to deal with you sad" "why can't you just pretend to be happy and then you will be happy" etc

He used to have explosive meltdowns which involved him banging his head off the wall and punching himself. He would threaten suicide if I tried to leave.

I asked if he would be more affectionate or demonstrative of his love and he basically said no, he loved me and I could choose to believe him or not.

He said I needed to be aware of his triggers and learn not to anger him. He said he was only like this with me because he loved me more than anyone else. He called me names, he mocked me when I was sad, he attacked me on at least 2 occasions.

When challenged he would say he had issues or problems and since I didn't, I had to adapt.

We have been separated 3 years but we were civil for a while, I decided to end all contact with him when I started counselling and had the epiphany that he was still continuing to control and manipulate me. He has a new girlfriend now and I have found this very upsetting, not because I want to be with him, because he's at that stage where he is trying to impress and pretend he's a nice person. This makes me feel like he has changed and it was all me, but I have to try and remember that he will never change.

I realise that not all people with ASD are violent or abusive, but I do believe it played a big part in his decision to act this way.

MrsKrampus · 07/11/2018 11:34

Just to clarify, he would refuse to offer me any emotional support but would be absolutely hysterical if I did not reassure him and offer him my complete support and attention. He would also accuse me of having the wrong body language and tone of voice 🙄

dabbler · 07/11/2018 12:21

Hi, is anyone interested in a Birmingham meetup? If so, I have posted on the Different Together Site here different-together.co.uk/lets-talk-forum/viewtopic.php?f=118&t=3077

If a few people reply to that post I will arrange something. Not sure if you have to sign it to see my message, let me know if you are interested but can't do that.

I am hopeless at reading/writing messages on forums but would love to meet up with others in the same boat!

Moffa · 07/11/2018 20:13

Hi Dabbler, afraid I’m 4/5 hours away from Birmingham so wouldn’t work for me x

dabbler · 08/11/2018 11:33

Shame Moffa. I realise I didn't say anything about myself. I just got into a funk yesterday and decided I needed to meet others in the same position as me in the real world.
I have an undiagnosed partner, married for over 30 years. I was diagnosed with Chronic fatigue about 5 years ago which led to a long journey in which I came to understand two things were making me ill, my job and DH. I gave up the job which improved things a lot but I am still struggling with DH. He accepts he is has Aspergers/High Functioning autism and has stopped blaming me for me being unhappy. He has really tried to make me happy. I thought this would be enough but now I find I am grieving for what I don't have (never had) and have the feeling that something has ended and I will never get it back (hope?). I find myself looking at happy. loving couples on the TV, in real life and wondering, imaging what it would be like. At the same time I am gutted for DH that I should feel like this about us. I am crying as I write this.

Anyway, as I say, I am not good at keeping up on forums so it would be lovely to meet some people in my position in real life xx

limpbizkit · 08/11/2018 11:38

Hi all just wanted to add myself to the thread.

KSJG85 · 08/11/2018 11:38

I've cried finding this post!! I have felt so unbelievably isolated trying to find others who understand. Thank you!

europa70 · 08/11/2018 12:29

Hey KSJG85,
Me too. It's such a relief to know there is a space for us. I'm new & slightly nervous, but will be on here quite a bit,I feel!