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MIL feeling second rate

87 replies

Akaroacanon · 25/07/2018 09:55

I read a lot on here about the MIL. It seems to be quite negative a lot of the time and this makes me feel so sad. I’ve also read on gransnet so many stories from heartbroken MIL’s who either do not see their GK’s, or see them under very controlled circumstances.
I’m the mum to two sons. I love them just as much now as all new Young mums love their babies, but of course, with the years our relationship has adapted and there is more wisdom and more space between us. I should explain, they are now grown and recently married, and becoming parents themselves. I sense that that they still feel a strong love for me and want me in their lives, but of course, their wives do not, can not feel the same. So, as a for instance, the mother of the bride goes dress shopping, hen-doing, arrangement planning etc. the mother of the groom is offered a token task. (I made a cake for one, and did some sewing for another.)I think it’s called “managing expectations “. It hurts a little, but it is nothing compared to when the children arrive.
A new grandchild is born, and I feel so much love, and joy, for the happy new parents, relief that all went well with the birth, and gratitude that they have so much love for each other and will be great parents. Then there is a void. I’m not allowed to meet the baby before her mum who is flying in. To protect her feelings. She stays a week. After a few text messages, gently asking if I can just have a five minute peep, I am, I feel, reluctantly, allowed to meet her, and hold her for two minutes, on the promise that I will only stay five minutes as they are tired. I do understand. I understand they need quiet family time, bonding time, settling feeding routine time. I was, after all, a mother too. But her mum is living in their home, I live 5 minutes away. It has been days. They feel like an eternity. I know that this is how it will be. This is not my first grandchild. I bite my tongue, I babysit, I love them, feed them, offer to help when I can. But I will always be a visitor, because I am the mother of sons. Now you might think I am the overbearing type. I’m not. Or the bossy type. Nope. I think I’m quiet, bookish, educated and kind. I am non-judgemental, have a messy, child friendly house where children can run and play and just be. I’m honestly the easiest Granny you could wish for. We do beach trips, cake baking, den building activities. It’s fun. But, I have, and I guess always will have, the lack of daughter syndrome. I have sons, they take care of their wives as I helped them learn to do. So now, I have to take the back seat. I know I should not feel sad, I know I should be ok with it, that’s just normal. But I get sick of being managed. And Christmas again will be with her parents.

OP posts:
choli · 26/07/2018 13:38

welshmist
The opposite for me. I know nobody in real life whose parents paid for their wedding. I have put it down to one of those oddnesses that parents are expected to pay for a wedding in this day and age.

heartsease68 · 26/07/2018 13:50

OP, what is clear to me from your OP is your utter joy at having a new grandchild. That is lovely. But perhaps you cannot know, not having daughters, that it is all very different for the maternal grandmother. It is often a bittersweet time supporting their daughter at the most vulnerable she has been since childhood. Someone erupting into that situation like it's Christmas is only underlining how distanced they are from the vulnerable, often traumatised nucleus of the situation. That's what you don't get.

SoyDora · 26/07/2018 13:50

My MIL could have written very similar, however it is DH who chooses not to involve them as much as my parents. He finds them hard work and overbearing. I know they think its me keeping them at arms length but it’s really not.
With regards to wedding planning/shopping etc, why would it be my responsibility to involve MIL? It was DH’s wedding as much as mine and he was welcome to involve her as much as he wanted to. In actual fact we had the reception in the IL’s back garden and they were very involved, but I fail to see why it’s the DIL’s duty to facilitate that.
MIL asked to come and stay at our house for a month over our babies due date so that she could meet the baby at the same time as my parents (she lives abroad, mine live 5 mins away). Now I am more than happy for them to meet the baby at the same time or even before my parents, but them staying with us for a month while I am heavily pregnant/in labour and have a newborn... not going to happen. She thinks we are very unreasonable for this.

SoyDora · 26/07/2018 13:50

My MIL could have written very similar, however it is DH who chooses not to involve them as much as my parents. He finds them hard work and overbearing. I know they think its me keeping them at arms length but it’s really not.
With regards to wedding planning/shopping etc, why would it be my responsibility to involve MIL? It was DH’s wedding as much as mine and he was welcome to involve her as much as he wanted to. In actual fact we had the reception in the IL’s back garden and they were very involved, but I fail to see why it’s the DIL’s duty to facilitate that.
MIL asked to come and stay at our house for a month over our babies due date so that she could meet the baby at the same time as my parents (she lives abroad, mine live 5 mins away). Now I am more than happy for them to meet the baby at the same time or even before my parents, but them staying with us for a month while I am heavily pregnant/in labour and have a newborn... not going to happen. She thinks we are very unreasonable for this.

MangoApplePear · 26/07/2018 14:00

This is her special time with her mum. You live just 5 minutes away and will have lots of contact with the baby. Your DIL is recovering after childbirth and needs her mum there. Take a deep breath and continue to give them space.

chickedychicked · 26/07/2018 14:00

I 100% understand as a mother I dread the day I'm kept at arms length and I hope it never happens.
I try very hard with my own now ex-ils. Mil is overbearing, criticised everything, takes over my children even cutting their hair or changing their clothes without asking. she's been been known to completely rearrange my furniture whilst we were away for a few days. She quite openly says I'm not food enough, too quiet, too stubborn, too this and that. And yet i still send my children over once a week with their dad to see them because I don't want my relationship with her affect theirs. But honestly if she was a nicer person then I'd welcome her to my home or take her out with us etc. the fact is shes not a great person to me so why should i spend my time trying to get her to like me.

chillpizza · 26/07/2018 14:03

Welsh, why is ok for men to forget and women are expected to remind them?

I make sure I have all the important dates to me on my phones calander. He could do the same he just choices not too. That’s the problem he wants his lack of planning to be my problem and people think it’s ok because his only a man after all. I’m sure they magically remember all the really important to them dates like when X football team are playing or Fred’s stag do. I already sort out the children’s stuff for school and outside of school, book all holidays etc and remember all my family’s birthdays etc. I’m sure making a man responsible for their own hair cuts and family’s birthdays is still easier than all the stuff dumped on my pile. I do pick up and file his prescriptions though as that’s a health issue and it is easier for me to get there.

I just get poor with the poor men cannot possibly be expected to sort their own stuff out and contact their own family women must remind them crap.

DailyMailFail101 · 26/07/2018 14:03

YOU sound like a great grandma and Mum to your sons but by the way write you don’t seem to like your daughter in lawas much? How can you expect her to treat you then same as her Mum if you don’t treat her like a daughter? Maybe if you invest in that relationship a little more you may reap the benefits. ‘You reap what you sow’

CheeseYesPlease · 26/07/2018 14:09

I am a DIL and I have been guilty of not letting my MIL around more. She always offers to help and babysit and DH and I always say no. Reading these comments and OP's post makes me realise how much she must be hurting. Not that I have my mother around more because I dont, I just prefer to do things on my own. But thinking about it now I would make an effort to invite her over weekly because I know shes wanting an invite but doesnt want to seem intrusive. X. Hope it works out for you OP

QuizzlyBear · 26/07/2018 14:53

I must admit, my experience would echo that of pps. My MIL is very overbearing and has been quite cruel in the past, though she would never acknowledge that, even to herself. She has always done 'what she thinks is best' for her sons (which is not always what they would think is best).

I've been with my DH since we both became adults and despite everything above, I am the one who buys all her birthday, Christmas and Mother's Day gifts. I send flowers when she's ill, call her regularly, nudge my husband to visit for 121 time, make sure that my children FaceTime her and that we visit her as a family on a regular basis.

She still firmly believes that I am 'keeping her DS and DGC from her' and that every time she feels slighted, it's down to me. In reality, if I didn't work hard to keep her involved, my DH would simply not bother to visit, since she's hard going and he's just a bit crap at staying in touch.

He can do no wrong in her eyes however, so I'll always be the DIL from hell!

Italwaysworksitselfout · 26/07/2018 17:28

My Mil is one of the best out there... Always supportive and there to lend a hand but she has to be in control (usually financial) of certain events or she becomes very anxious. She just wants one big happy family. She has always treated me like a daughter she never had but never encroached on my relationship with my dm. She now has another dil and it's been interesting to see how she favours her over me and has told me repeatedly she loves being around new dil due to their similar cultural backgrounds and interest in all things expensive. Sil does not feel this way at all and finds mil overbearing and controlling and it is becoming clear that she has no interest in a mother/daughter relationship with her. I am waiting patiently in the background to pick up the pieces of mil's broken heart when she realises.
I think you need to air your discontentment but once your dil's dm has gone you may find you have more contact

NanooCov · 26/07/2018 21:28

I'm sorry you feel this and have had this experience with your family but it's not mine at all. We see my in laws far more often than I do my own mother. To the point that when I was due to have DS2, she came to stay with us and looked after DS1. I love my mother but - to be honest - my MIL is far more easy going and never causes me the stress my mother does.

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