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MIL feeling second rate

87 replies

Akaroacanon · 25/07/2018 09:55

I read a lot on here about the MIL. It seems to be quite negative a lot of the time and this makes me feel so sad. I’ve also read on gransnet so many stories from heartbroken MIL’s who either do not see their GK’s, or see them under very controlled circumstances.
I’m the mum to two sons. I love them just as much now as all new Young mums love their babies, but of course, with the years our relationship has adapted and there is more wisdom and more space between us. I should explain, they are now grown and recently married, and becoming parents themselves. I sense that that they still feel a strong love for me and want me in their lives, but of course, their wives do not, can not feel the same. So, as a for instance, the mother of the bride goes dress shopping, hen-doing, arrangement planning etc. the mother of the groom is offered a token task. (I made a cake for one, and did some sewing for another.)I think it’s called “managing expectations “. It hurts a little, but it is nothing compared to when the children arrive.
A new grandchild is born, and I feel so much love, and joy, for the happy new parents, relief that all went well with the birth, and gratitude that they have so much love for each other and will be great parents. Then there is a void. I’m not allowed to meet the baby before her mum who is flying in. To protect her feelings. She stays a week. After a few text messages, gently asking if I can just have a five minute peep, I am, I feel, reluctantly, allowed to meet her, and hold her for two minutes, on the promise that I will only stay five minutes as they are tired. I do understand. I understand they need quiet family time, bonding time, settling feeding routine time. I was, after all, a mother too. But her mum is living in their home, I live 5 minutes away. It has been days. They feel like an eternity. I know that this is how it will be. This is not my first grandchild. I bite my tongue, I babysit, I love them, feed them, offer to help when I can. But I will always be a visitor, because I am the mother of sons. Now you might think I am the overbearing type. I’m not. Or the bossy type. Nope. I think I’m quiet, bookish, educated and kind. I am non-judgemental, have a messy, child friendly house where children can run and play and just be. I’m honestly the easiest Granny you could wish for. We do beach trips, cake baking, den building activities. It’s fun. But, I have, and I guess always will have, the lack of daughter syndrome. I have sons, they take care of their wives as I helped them learn to do. So now, I have to take the back seat. I know I should not feel sad, I know I should be ok with it, that’s just normal. But I get sick of being managed. And Christmas again will be with her parents.

OP posts:
AngelsSins · 25/07/2018 13:48

Yeah it’s all those evil women’s fault, never the precious sons.

So, as a for instance, the mother of the bride goes dress shopping, hen-doing, arrangement planning etc. the mother of the groom is offered a token task. (I made a cake for one, and did some sewing for another.)I think it’s called “managing expectations “

Why are you expecting to do that stuff with your DIL and not your son? Is he incapable of going shopping with you or including you? So much is expected from women compared to men.

AngelsSins · 25/07/2018 13:52

To add, how many MILs expect their son in law to make sure they’re kept involved in plans or child care or weddings? It’s only every DILs that’s are put under this pressure, they normally expect more from their DILs than they do from their own sons.

OakElmAsh · 25/07/2018 13:52

I second the PP who said the other grandmother flew in - she is clearly living far away, so giving her the space to enjoy her grandchild before leaving again is a really kind thing to do.
You will have loads of time to build a relationship with this child ... don't get hung up on the first few weeks.

BestBeforeYesterday · 25/07/2018 13:57

I agree with PP saying if her mum has flown in, she won't be around much because she doesn't live close.
I would have a word with your son though. Five minutes in a week really isn't much and I'm not surprised you're feeling left out. I would make sure he knows how you're feeling so that he makes sure you get enough time with your grandchild once they're not a newborn anymore.

EthelHornsby · 25/07/2018 14:08

I am not yet a MIL, but will be soon! However I can remember being a new Mum. It suddenly focuses you on looking back, and what it was like when your Mum was at that stage - I wanted my Mum, the person who had held me as a baby, who I had grown up with, who knew me inside out, to answer all my questions, to show me how she managed things and to sympathised with my difficulties. My MIL is very different and we had very different backgrounds and approaches to life - I could not have asked her some of those things, and could not have felt as comfortable with her. This is not a reflection on her as a person, it’s just not the same. I think if your DIL’s mum lives far away, you should let her make the most of this time with her, and look forward to being the nearby granny after that

AspireAchieve · 25/07/2018 14:14

Yeah it’s all those evil women’s fault, never the precious sons.
Not in my family. I hold them both responsible for the choices they make.
However 'the precious sons' do often end up in the middle. One of mine finds it really hard to stand his ground about arrangements thinking if he keeps quiet the choices will go away. Of course they don't and end up a bigger mess closer to the event. So for instance last Christmas, invited to a meal between Christmas and New Year, following spending Christmas Day with his wife and her family, he agreed...but actually his wife didn't know because he was scared to have that conversation with her.

AngelsSins · 25/07/2018 14:30

AspireAchieve that’s good to hear! I just think so very few expectations are placed on SILs by MILs, compared to what’s expected of daughter in laws.

AngelsSins · 25/07/2018 14:32

I didn’t mean that it’s good to hear he was scared of telling his wife by the way!!! It’s good to hear you hold them both accountable. I do think not many MILs hold their SIL jointly accountable for these things though.

Cornishclio · 25/07/2018 14:38

I think that is a bit sad. I did not always like my MIL but we never treated her differently to my mum in terms of access to the children. My DD treats us and her PIL the same. Both sides of the family have a childminding day while my DD works and babysitting is split equally and their place is open house at the weekends and often we are all there. Christmas is done alternately with PIL and us and we all get invited for special birthdays. It helps we all live within 5 or 10 minutes of each other though. DDs MIL is thrilled as she has two sons and never sees her other sons family and does not really get on that well with the DIL. They live a long way away though so that does not help.

StayAChild · 25/07/2018 14:40

Who told you that you weren't allowed to meet the baby before DIL's Mum and that you were only allowed 5 minutes when you were summoned? If it was your DS then I think you need to have words with him. Don't sit back, try to work something out with him that DIL is ok with.

When my first DGC was born, I know my DD wanted me to see the baby first. She said it was because we had shared the 9 month pregnancy journey together. In the end, because we live a good 5 hours drive, her partner's family had gone to the hospital straight away.

I didn't mind at all; they are just as entitled to be there for their son as I am and I can't imagine them waiting for an invitation - why should they? I'm also pleased for them that my DGCs have family close by to spend time with. My DD makes sure we spend chunks of time with them, staying for 3/4 days each time, whereas the other DGPs see them all the time, for short visits. We are very close to our DGCs despite the distance.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that your DIL's DM might not feel as entitled as you might think. I certainly don't. I have a feeling they will include you more once the dust settles and they need a babysitter

HermioneGoesBackHome · 25/07/2018 14:41

Actually I think the issue here are the sons.
(Sorry OP :() but basically once you are out of the ‘I’m recovery from birth’ phase there is no reason for your sons to spend more time it’s their dw family than with you. There is no reason why they don’t stamp their feet saying ‘nope this year, Christmas with my mum’
There are no reasons why you should always come last if THEY feel you should be as important as their mil, if they feel their dcs having relationship with bith sets of grand parents is important.

So assuming there is absolutely no backstory, I would have a gently word with your children. I would invite them and I would expect them to be as responsible as their dw of the organisation of the weekends' Christmas, b’day parties and the likes.
And I would tell them that their behaviour is hurtful to you (but wo making any comparaison with the other set if grand parents).

choli · 25/07/2018 14:59

Don't worry. In a year or so they will be demanding free childcare and you will have plenty of one on one time with your grandchild.

Akaroacanon · 25/07/2018 15:12

Thank you all so much for your lovely, incredibly helpful thoughts and advice, and for taking the time to write them. I’m sure things will all fall into place with a little time. I will be patient and continue to offer to support and see how things go. They are both usually really thoughtful and considerate people and I don’t want to be thought of as too emotionally needy. They are probably being bombarded! I will let them take the lead and be happy when I get a green light. Once again, thanks so much. I had no idea this forum would be such a comfort. Hope I can return the favor to others.

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hammeringinmyhead · 25/07/2018 15:18

I think MiLs sometimes need to give a little bit of slack for DiLs who are dealing with their own narcissistic, difficult mothers. I don't have one but friends do and it can be the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. It doesn't mean it's right but early motherhood is a bit of a fragile time for the son to put his foot down thus meaning the DiL gets the brunt from her mum. I would give it a little longer and then get in touch when other grandma leaves.

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fuzzywuzzy · 25/07/2018 15:23

I adore my IL’s.

MIL was present when I gave birth to her first GC, and I’m delighted whenever she wants to come over.

After having DC I as quite scatterbrained and didn’t realise immediately that she desperately wanted to hold DC. I’d leave baby in cradle and get on with what I was doing. Once I realised I’d hand her baby to hold for as long as she wanted.

However, MIL is incredibly kind and thoughtful and has treated me and my older dc (not her gc) with love and kindness. And DP is fiercely protective, when his mum first asked to be at the birth he just point blank said no. Didn’t even mention it to me till ages afterwards.
I agreed when I was nearer the time as I realised I didn’t mind her being there & it meant so much to her.

It’s a give and take relationship. I treat her as she does me with love and kindness and respect.

StraffeHendrik · 25/07/2018 15:24

Sorry you feel that way

You can't expect to have the same relationship with your DIL as she has with her own mother. However you can expect to have as good a relationship with your son as your DIL has with her own mother.

If you are not seeing your grandkids, this is an issue you need to resolve with your son, I think.

It sounds to me like you feel that having a son is in some way not as good as having a daughter. For example, you can't go dress shopping with your daughter because you haven't got a daughter, but you could do something wedding related with your son though. Or if you feel weddings are mainly about the bride, surely there must be things that are mainly about your son that you could be involved in instead.

Basically, I'm sure it complicated but it's not your DIL's job to be the daughter you never had! Focus on your relationship with your son.

Cawfee · 25/07/2018 15:32

I’ve been on holiday with my MIL and my kids. More than once. I wouldn’t with my own DM as she would drive me insane. Every family/situation is different. Do you really want more “baby time”? Why? Aren’t you bored of baby stuff by now! I’ve got two sons and I’ll be very glad to pop by for a 5 minute cuddle and handback. I’m not really keen to ever change a nappy again thanks. Why don’t you embrace your role and if you need more love/attention in your life go volunteer in your local primary school. Be kind, generous to your DIL and surely karma will make sure you are rewarded

timeisnotaline · 25/07/2018 15:33

The baby bit I understand . It is perfectly normal for dil to want her mother as she recovers and adjust to being a Mum herself but if her Mum is not local and took a week to get there I don’t think you should have had to wait to meet baby. If her mum took hours or a day to get there then you are being a drama queen.
The wedding issue is a load of tosh. A woman married a man. Because she’s a woman she’s expected to include her fiancés Mum in everything? Why? You could have done all the organising things your son did .... probably very little. My mil knew all about venues as dp and i looked at them together. For the rest he promised more time and took a season off footy to do this with me... but took up another hobby instead and went awol. So I organised it all. If his mum wanted to be more part of it she could have told him to grow up and pitch in. As it was it wasn’t ‘fobbing off’ to kindly include her in a few things. You certainly don’t get an invite to dress shopping - that is a moment for a mother and her daughter.

Cawfee · 25/07/2018 15:35

As the mum of just boys, I get this a bit but I think you are over thinking. The wedding dress shopping for example. Is that really a big deal? I didn’t even do that for my own dress. In and out and dress bought in an hour. I personally couldn’t think of anything more boring than watching somebody else endlessly try dresses on so if I never get to do that for a DIL then bonus. I’d rather take my boys out whiskey drinking/go karting/para gliding while the dress stuff is happening! I think you just need to readjust your brain and your thinking.

Cobblersandhogwash · 25/07/2018 15:40

Do you have a busy and activity life of your own?

If not, then can you cultivate one?

It sounds like you have a good time with your dcs. Did you write that you enjoy activities with them?

I just wouldn't read so much into visiting time / amount. Just make sure the time you do spend with them is quality.

timeisnotaline · 25/07/2018 16:10

I’m also a mum of just boys. I will never ever have a dinner party for my adult sons... and not their wives. For one example!

N0rthstar · 25/07/2018 16:28

I am a second rate MIL & GM.
I have offered my time, help, assistance in any way that might help.
It is mostly refused.
I am last choice in all things.
I spoke to my son - he says they want it this way.

I am a second rate MIL & GM.
The pain is unbearable.

Pippylou · 25/07/2018 16:33

Think back to your relationship with your MiL, was it the same as with your mum?

My MiL says she never gives me a thought. :-)

My DM annoys me but at least I can have a go at her if she's being offensive, I mind what I say to MiL. It's just different.

I'm married to a guy with one other brother, they care but they don't have that guilt/obligation thing going on that they need to run round after their parents.

Carrotmama · 25/07/2018 16:37

I can tell you aren't her because of specifics, but my MIL could have written this!

She is overbearing etc but truly believes she's the most relaxed grandma and MIL in the world.