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New relationship - bf has territorial female best friend

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Lotta1978 · 16/07/2018 16:33

Hello,

Have been lurking a while, tentatively making first post and would appreciate some advice. Thank you for reading and sorry it's a bit long.

I'm a single mum of four - my first husband (and father of my boys) died and my second marriage (to a psychologically abusive narcissist) ended in divorce. I've been on my own for the past 5 years, really struggling with loneliness, and pretty traumatised by a shocking ten years, but this year I unexpectedly met someone and decided to give a relationship a go.

We were introduced by a friend of mine, someone I'd met via work but doesn't live in the UK, so we don't see each other socially on a regular basis. On a visit to this friend, she introduced me to her 'best friend', saying we'd be perfect for each other. I was sceptical, but actually she was right. In fact, it was pretty much love at first sight, on both parts. The problem was obviously that it was long distance, but we decided that seeing as the flight was only two hours, we could give it a go. That bit is working ok, if subject to the usual difficulties with LDRs.

The problem is my friend. To begin with I thought it was so great that my friend was his friend and so we already a kind of mutual social network. But the minute we got together, she became really territorial.Told me actually I could do better than him. Told him my awful relationship history and said that I'd be too damaged for him. She kisses him on the lips when they meet, won't let me use a shortened version of her name because he's the 'only one allowed to call her that.' She told me they are 'like twins' and know everything about each other. Then she told me to remove my pictures of the two of us from FB because 'it would not make everyone happy, and I shouldn't show my happiness there.' They message each other ALL the time, work together, and socialise together all the time. I told him that I'm just a bit uncomfortable with some of this, mostly with the way she introduces negativity and doubt between us that previously wasn't there, and he said that is just her way and she is a complicated person, and he's sorry she's like that, and he loves me.

I hate it though. I can't lie. I find her change of attitude really confusing. And the thing is, a similar thing happened in my second marriage, and I was trusting - and I was wrong to be. And after my first husband died, I learned that he has actually been planning to leave me for his 'work wife' but in the end couldn't get himself together enough to do it, and then he got sick so everything changed - which was devastating as it felt like my whole marriage was a lie. Even before I got married, my first boyfriend, who lived in a different city, was actually living with his ex the whole time we were together and I didn't know because we always met in a place mid-way between our two homes. So I feel like this is just history repeating itself and I'm worn out with relationships where another woman is always a lurking presence.

I simply don't want to be in a(nother) relationship with someone who has a way-too complicated female best friend thing going on. But I love this guy, and he's been nothing but wonderful to me, and he's actively looking at ways for us to live together, either in his country or in the UK. I'm absolutely not going to ask him to choose between us - the issue is mine, not with anything he personally has done - but would I be stupid to walk away from this potentially lovely thing, (esp after so much sadness in my life) because I know I can't deal with the intimacy of their friendship?

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notthisagain83 · 16/07/2018 16:40

It's a difficult one... although you may not trust her do you trust him? How long have you been together?

Surely if they were going to get together it would have happened already?

Sparkletastic · 16/07/2018 16:43

Sounds like she's in love with him but it's not reciprocated. Encourage him to move to live with you, don't move to live with him.

Lotta1978 · 16/07/2018 17:00

I think I do trust him. He has told me from the start that not all relationships look like the ones I have been in, and he will show me that they can be different. And I believe him. But I guess we haven't been together long, about six months, and moving in together isn't going to happen any time soon because of our jobs.

I agree they probably would have got together by now if that's what they wanted. But it's still hard to stand by and watch another woman kissing your boyfriend, or see her own posts about him on FB, (have decided to leave social media tbh, it's too stressful.) And trying to talk to him about it makes me feel like I'm the possessive one. (Maybe I am? Maybe I need to lighten up!?!?)

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aaatozedd · 16/07/2018 17:06

I think if anything OP you need to UNlighten and get a bit more tough about the situation. She's taking the piss really. Sounds to me like you're TOO nice.

fuzzywuzzy · 16/07/2018 17:11

She kisses him on the lips and he lets her?

No way would I be happy with that.

I wouldn’t touch a man who let his female friends kiss him on the lips with a barge pole, there’s clearly something more than friendship there on both sides.

I’m platonic friends don’t kiss each other on the lips.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 16/07/2018 17:16

He should not be kissing her on the lips.

That's a bit NO on his part, not just her's.

It all sounds like quite hard work - have you had a chat to her about her attitude? Agree it sounds like she is in love with him. But whatever you put on your own FB is up to you! That's just a bonkers comment.

Shambu · 16/07/2018 17:25

Honestly OP this relationship sounds like a big long shot. You have four children and he doesn't live in the country. Clearly you can't relocate them abroad given what they've been through. So he would have to relocate here. It's a massive risk. What happens if he doesn't get on with your kids, or he's not good with kids. Does he have kids of his own?

Secondly, it's not clear but from what you say your friend is in a position to make a move on him if she wants to. And that's exactly what she's doing. It sounds as if having fixed you two up, she's decided she wants him for herself.

SoapOnARoap · 16/07/2018 17:28

I’d less this go, it sounds like a headache.

RainySeptember · 16/07/2018 17:34

Yes I think I'd let it go too. I can't understand why she introduced you tbh. Maybe she realised she likes him when she saw you two together, or maybe he's always been keen on her and she's enjoyed that ego boost until now, when it's suddenly all stopped.

I think I'd give him an opportunity to put it right, and dump at the first sign that he hadn't.

hammeringinmyhead · 16/07/2018 17:39

I think I would either finish this now, before getting any deeper, or make plans for him to come and live here (she needs to not be a constant physical presence, which she would be if you moved).

Tbh... I know it's a bit rom-com but sometimes people do get together years down the line. When Harry Met Sally etc. It's a trope for a reason.

Shambu · 16/07/2018 17:50

Sally didn't have 4 kids.

hammeringinmyhead · 16/07/2018 17:57

And? Sally is the OP's friend in the scenario.

pisces7268 · 16/07/2018 18:00

Seems like it's more hassle than it's worth! When your friend tells you to delete pics of the two of you, what do you say back to her?
I think you need to have a word with her to tell her to back off and tell him what you don't like such as the kissing on the lips. If she's your friend she should respect that and if not he should tell her the same things as you so she gets the message x

Lotta1978 · 16/07/2018 18:38

Thank you for all these replies! Wow. I have a lot to think about.

He's met my kids, they love him, he's great with them. He doesn't have his own kids but is ok with that. My two eldest boys are in their late teens and one doesn't live at home any more. But he's also really sensitive about potentially moving the littler two, so emigrating definitely isn't the only way forward.

Re the deleting pics - I'm afraid I did delete them, and I've stopped making reference to us in any way on FB as I didn't want to annoy my friend. But tbh it made me feel sad, like I wasn't allowed to be happy, (which is the first time in a looooong time, so it was a bit of a shock that a friend would react that way.)

And the kissing on the lips. I have a good friend who agrees it's not ok but says, if it was a habit from his days of being single, maybe he doesn't know how to tell her it's inappropriate now. He has met a lot of my friends and they all agree he's a decent and honourable guy (and they were really looking out for any bad vibes as I'd been through a lot of stuff before.) I just don't know how to broach it all without looking like I'm not ok with him having friends of the opposite sex, which is NOT the case - this one just makes me feel super uncomfortable.

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Shambu · 16/07/2018 18:40

Sally is the OP's friend in the scenario

Oh I see, that wasn't clear.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 16/07/2018 18:45

I have seen similar happen, the platonic friend who played matchmaker becomes jealous. She is telling you what you can and can't post on FB? Kissing your boyfriend on the lips? Sorry, don't think you need the stress of wondering and doubting.

Disquieted1 · 16/07/2018 18:51

Your friend is in love with him. Introducing him to you has backfired spectacularly and now she's mounting a rearguard action.

In the nicest possible way, of all the women she could have introduced him to why did she pick someone in a different country who already had four children?
She didn't think for a second that he'd fall for you. Now he has, she has no option but to try to wreck it.

DownTownAbbey · 16/07/2018 19:08

Your friend is jealous. Maybe she's used to having his attention all to herself or maybe she's realised that she has feelings for him and resents you. Who knows? Whatever the reason I'd lose respect for her because she's behaving like an arse. Telling you to delete pictures on Facebook? Who the hell does she think she is? His keeper? Or (less likely) does she know something about him you don't? Like he's not as single as he claims?

From the outside it seems weird that you would even consider moving countries with 3 or 4 kids. What would happen if it didn't work out? Extremely risky, especially as your friend seems to think you should keep your relationship secret Hmm.

Lotta1978 · 16/07/2018 19:15

"In the nicest possible way, of all the women she could have introduced him to why did she pick someone in a different country who already had four children?
She didn't think for a second that he'd fall for you."

Omg, I hadn't thought of it like that at all. But yes. Yes, totally. That makes a kind of gut sense.

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pisces7268 · 16/07/2018 19:15

Well first of all I'd say get your fb back and put as many pics as you want up. Would you tell anyone what they can and can't post? If she says anything about it again just tell her they shouldn't bother anyone as your friends will be happy for you and if she carries on just ask her are you jealous?

I think when the times right you should tell him that you really like him but your being put off by how your friends acting with him x

Lotta1978 · 16/07/2018 19:24

I 100% don't think she means we should keep the relationship 'secret' - it felt like she meant, she prsonally doesn't want to see it. We have other mutual friends now - if he wasn't single, I think that would have come out. I told him that she'd asked me to take the FB pics down and he said that in no way should I feel I had to be secretive. (He isn't on social media at all, but is a very public person in his work, so not having FB is def not that he's hiding anything.)

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fuzzyfozzy · 16/07/2018 19:30

I think you need a frank discussion with him about how she's making you feel.
Try to wait til you see him in person.

SandyY2K · 16/07/2018 19:32

How strange.

  1. get back on Facebook and post what you like

  2. Ask why she's suddenly saying he's not good enough...what's wrong with him all of a sudden?

  3. If she continues to annoy you..
    Withdraw from the friendship..although if he's still so close with her...it defeats the objective.

I would seriously consider if you want her on your back and in your relationship forever.

I don't suppose you could talk to her... as in thanks for the intro...but I've got it from here kind of thing.

SandyY2K · 16/07/2018 19:33

it felt like she meant, she personally doesn't want to see it

Delete her as you FB friend. Problem solved.Smile

gamerchick · 16/07/2018 19:42

Seriously I wouldn't be ending things, I'd be asserting myself. Come on OP, you're acting like she's in control here. This is your bloke and if she doesn't like it then tough.

Start with facebook if you want. Become 'official'. If she bitches about it just let her. She'll implode eventually.