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New relationship - bf has territorial female best friend

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Lotta1978 · 16/07/2018 16:33

Hello,

Have been lurking a while, tentatively making first post and would appreciate some advice. Thank you for reading and sorry it's a bit long.

I'm a single mum of four - my first husband (and father of my boys) died and my second marriage (to a psychologically abusive narcissist) ended in divorce. I've been on my own for the past 5 years, really struggling with loneliness, and pretty traumatised by a shocking ten years, but this year I unexpectedly met someone and decided to give a relationship a go.

We were introduced by a friend of mine, someone I'd met via work but doesn't live in the UK, so we don't see each other socially on a regular basis. On a visit to this friend, she introduced me to her 'best friend', saying we'd be perfect for each other. I was sceptical, but actually she was right. In fact, it was pretty much love at first sight, on both parts. The problem was obviously that it was long distance, but we decided that seeing as the flight was only two hours, we could give it a go. That bit is working ok, if subject to the usual difficulties with LDRs.

The problem is my friend. To begin with I thought it was so great that my friend was his friend and so we already a kind of mutual social network. But the minute we got together, she became really territorial.Told me actually I could do better than him. Told him my awful relationship history and said that I'd be too damaged for him. She kisses him on the lips when they meet, won't let me use a shortened version of her name because he's the 'only one allowed to call her that.' She told me they are 'like twins' and know everything about each other. Then she told me to remove my pictures of the two of us from FB because 'it would not make everyone happy, and I shouldn't show my happiness there.' They message each other ALL the time, work together, and socialise together all the time. I told him that I'm just a bit uncomfortable with some of this, mostly with the way she introduces negativity and doubt between us that previously wasn't there, and he said that is just her way and she is a complicated person, and he's sorry she's like that, and he loves me.

I hate it though. I can't lie. I find her change of attitude really confusing. And the thing is, a similar thing happened in my second marriage, and I was trusting - and I was wrong to be. And after my first husband died, I learned that he has actually been planning to leave me for his 'work wife' but in the end couldn't get himself together enough to do it, and then he got sick so everything changed - which was devastating as it felt like my whole marriage was a lie. Even before I got married, my first boyfriend, who lived in a different city, was actually living with his ex the whole time we were together and I didn't know because we always met in a place mid-way between our two homes. So I feel like this is just history repeating itself and I'm worn out with relationships where another woman is always a lurking presence.

I simply don't want to be in a(nother) relationship with someone who has a way-too complicated female best friend thing going on. But I love this guy, and he's been nothing but wonderful to me, and he's actively looking at ways for us to live together, either in his country or in the UK. I'm absolutely not going to ask him to choose between us - the issue is mine, not with anything he personally has done - but would I be stupid to walk away from this potentially lovely thing, (esp after so much sadness in my life) because I know I can't deal with the intimacy of their friendship?

OP posts:
PookieDo · 17/07/2018 07:32

You seem to have catagorised your relationship with him and your friendship with her together, almost like it is part and parcel of the same thing

It isn’t

Whatever steps you take to address this ‘friendship’ are in actual fact not his business either. I do think you should end your friendship with her and it doesn’t have to be confrontational. She’s not your friend and doesn’t deserve this headspace

You just need to tell him how you are dealing with the friendship issue and that your relationship is separate. This is your boundary here - it’s not for him to fix or change, this is your decision. Equally you aren’t going to demand he stops his friendship with her on this basis, but you are done

Then I would see how things progress in your relationship it may actually become easier once you don’t have her around. If she flips her lid he may see what a toxic little madam she is anyway...

Beebiesandcheebies · 17/07/2018 07:39

Personally I would call it a day on the relationship. 2 hours away on a plane? How's that going to work unless he moves to you, I wouldn't recommend you moving there.
And secondly, female friend sounds a bit weird if you ask me. Trust your instincts, tell him how you feel. If he doesn't listen then he's not the one. Always believe in yourself and be kind to yourself because you deserve to be treated right and be with the right person for you and your children.

DownTownAbbey · 17/07/2018 07:51

It's easy for him to be lovely hundreds of miles away. At the moment all you have is a romance. You won't have a real warts and all relationship unless he moves to you.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 17/07/2018 07:54

I'd also walk away from the friendship with this woman - she's behaved abysmally towards you.

sonjadog · 17/07/2018 07:54

I wouldn’t call it a day yet if you really like him. First have an honest and open conversation about boundaries, see what he says and then take it from there.

Shambu · 17/07/2018 13:38

It's easy for him to be lovely hundreds of miles away. At the moment all you have is a romance. You won't have a real warts and all relationship unless he moves to you.

I agree. It's very easy children when you are basically on holiday. The crunch is really how he would be as a father long term. To be honest I'd be very surprised if he's seriously contemplating moving abroad to become father to 2 children he barely knows, and I think it would be mad of the OP to even consider moving abroad for him (she doesn't seem to have ruled that out).

I would enjoy this for what it is – a romance to help you get back on your feet. Nice guy wrong country. Also rather iffy behaviour with your friend.

PrimalLady · 17/07/2018 13:38

Google histrionic women.
Ive just been through something very similar and things are only just quietening down (again, but hopefully for the last time).

For me it was his brothers long term partner. She also described in the beginning how she could really see a future between us etc. Only to immediately start causing problems between us.

She has gone so far as to fake chat logs about me, after snooping through his phone, she has stalked me, literally followed me about. She even started dressing like me and bought a wig the same as my hair. She kicked off because he set his whatsapp profile picture to a picture of himself that i had taken. She has screamed and demanded to know if, when and where we had sex. She has spread rumours about him sleeping with another woman she hates and has done this to aswell.

If he genuinely loves you, he will fuck her off. She will create the mother of all drama fests over it. Chances are she is no where near as close with your bf as she believes - common histrionic trait.

If hes worth riding the shit out, you just need to get very good at not engaging with drama. Dont underestimate how damaging another person can be. I honestly ended up in a mental health unit over the things this woman has done to me.

Shambu · 17/07/2018 13:38

^ it's very easy to be good with kids that should say.

Trinity66 · 17/07/2018 14:12

Bloody hell PrimalLady what did his brother think about all that, since she was his partner? Sounds like a complete nightmare

PrimalLady · 17/07/2018 15:05

Trinity - No idea, hes not said anything at all. He witnessed her screaming abiut us having sex. Its so bizarre. I didnt tell people for a while as i was sure no one would believe me.

Turns out, people do believe me, her whole family have contacted me offering support as apparently she is like this to anyone she is jelous of.

She has told people all sorts of vile lies about me. When i was in the MH unit she ramped up the online crap about me too. Shes shut up for the last few days. So hoping she moves on to someone else now.

sonjadog · 17/07/2018 15:16

I wonder why his brother wants to be with her??!

PrimalLady · 17/07/2018 15:20

Tbh, from what ive been told, he leads a very separate life financially and socially. She doesn't know how much he earns or what savings he has. He owns a very good business. He wont buy a house with her or marry her.

I reckon hes got plans of his own. I cant think of any other explanation for his attitude. They have kids together too.

Lotta1978 · 17/07/2018 15:39

I agree. It's very easy children when you are basically on holiday. The crunch is really how he would be as a father long term. To be honest I'd be very surprised if he's seriously contemplating moving abroad to become father to 2 children he barely knows, and I think it would be mad of the OP to even consider moving abroad for him (she doesn't seem to have ruled that out).

I don't suppose any of us know how someone's going to be as a father long-term though. My daughter's father didn't hang around and doesn't even pay maintenance for her. Never has. My bf, on the other hand, sees my kids every two weeks when he comes to stay, plays board games with them in the evenings, cooks with them, sends them silly messages on Whatsapp. My youngest son said he feels like he has a father, finally, and he never really knew his own Dad because he was little when he got sick; he never knew him 'well', anyway.

Even as I'm writing this I'm realising, what am I thinking? He IS worth riding the shit out for. I really think it's more than a romance. Bringing up four kids on my own is the loneliest thing I've ever done. And here is someone saying, (and he explicitly says this) let me help you. And I'm letting a clearly jealous person try and take this away from me.

OP posts:
TemptressofWaikiki · 17/07/2018 15:56

Something makes me wonder if the best friend hasn’t harmed potential relationships before. My first thought was also that this so-called friend of yours introduced you two with the firm belief that nothing would happen and it has backfired. Proceed calmly and focus on just each other. Don’t engage with her or allow her head-fuckery to interfere. This is about your relationship with him, therefore concentrate on establishing good communication and strengthening your bond. Don’t play into her hands by forcing him to choose too soon and in a confrontational manner, as then you might back him into a corner. I reckon this is what she is hoping for. Instead, continue to get to know each other better and don’t allow her to goad you. I would calmly explain though that it feels inappropriate and too intimate that he kisses her on the mouth now as he is in a relationship with you. Calmly ask how he would react if things were reversed. How would he feel once he sees you kissing a male friend? I think if you establish some mutual acceptable boundaries then this toxic person has far less power to sabotage your relationship.

Timeisslippingaway · 17/07/2018 16:08

Well she sounds like a class A bitch. Ditch them both OP. A person like this is not a friend and a man like this with no backbone to tell her to back off a bit because you are uncomfortable is no kind of man.
He may be a great match for you but this situation isn't likely yo get any better unless he is prepared to cut contact with her.
Not sure why you would put up with her telling you to do these things.

Trinity66 · 17/07/2018 16:08

He IS worth riding the shit out for. I really think it's more than a romance

Have you ever actually come right out and asked her wth is going on with her and why is she acting like she is?

TattyCat · 17/07/2018 16:30

Have you ever actually come right out and asked her wth is going on with her and why is she acting like she is?

Good question, I think. She simply won't be able to argue with the truth (i.e. you must take photos down) as to keep reiterating that, she makes herself look most unhinged. Perhaps just face her with it and take it from there, with or without your bf present. You have nothing to lose if you're questioning your relationship anyway.

Let her know you're 'on to her', in the most mature way, of course...

another20 · 17/07/2018 16:34

Your "friend" is the one who is abusive and gas-lighting you here.

Try and find Somerville's thread - mental bitch friend there too.

Ride it out. Wind her up with loads of FB stuff - shine the light on her crazy bitch antics - and point your BF in the direction to see it.

She does not have his happiness on her agenda any more that she has yours. Document what has happened and then share it unemotionally with your OH. He should then cut her out if he sees the crazy stuff - or even that it upsets you - don't let him minimise it.

Lotta1978 · 17/07/2018 17:43

OK. Well, I made a spectacular mess of that. We talked tonight on the phone - I shouldn't have done it that way but it would have been a little while until we see each other because of work commitments, and he could tell in my voice that something wasn't right. So on one hand, he was furious with her behaviour, and agreed it was not ok. On the other, it seemed that he feels I have too many lingering trust issues from past relationships, and now I look like a person you wouldn't touch with a barge pole. So yeah... Not sure what we do now.

I expect the lesson to take from this is - long distance is never going to work. I was getting by ok(ish) on my own so I will continue to get by. And clearly it takes a lot longer to recover from abuse than 5 years.

Thank you for all the perspectives here. They have been much appreciated.

OP posts:
PrimalLady · 17/07/2018 17:46

Something makes me wonder if the best friend hasn’t harmed potential relationships before.

The woman in my situation certainly had for him.

Don’t play into her hands by forcing him to choose too soon and in a confrontational manner, as then you might back him into a corner

This. Its difficult. But if you make demands you also risk giving her words weight when she accuses you of being the source of the drama and of trying to drive a wedge between their oh so special magical friendship..

The woman in my situation made a huge deal about how "women always have a problem with our friendship".

When we simply separated our relationship from their friendship and became more private she started the stalking crap and turned up at his house and told him to choose between us, that he wasnt to even so much as speak to me again.

That really upset him. And he withdrew a lot from her. There was a notable shift in his attitude and demeanor.

The way she's behaved since he refused her ultimatum just confirmed to everyone that its her with the problem. He seens to be coming to terms with some of the things he clearly believed her on at the time.

He's been fully no contact with her for a few weeks and hes like a different person.

Branleuse · 17/07/2018 17:47

i wouldnt pay the slightest bit of concern to whether he thinks you have "trust issues" . I think it shows you have good boundaries. Any woman with any sense would have "trust issues" over this

Secretsquirrel101 · 17/07/2018 17:58

Trust issues?! Fuck him off OP. He's spineless at best and a snake at worst. He's letting your friend kiss him, he's letting her call the shots in your relationship and he doesn't have your back at all. I'm amazed there are so many posts essentially encouraging you to begin a bizarre tug of war over a very mediocre prize tbh.
And please, for your own sake and that of your children do not move abroad for this man.

sonjadog · 17/07/2018 18:00

"Trust issues" my ass.

category12 · 17/07/2018 18:04

I find it quite worrying that your son was already saying things like "he feels like he has a father, finally" tho - you've only met this guy this year..?

LizzieSiddal · 17/07/2018 18:05

Gosh that is so sad he’s reacted like that. You have every right to bring up this “friends” ridiculous behaviour. His response speaks volumes.

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