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New relationship - bf has territorial female best friend

88 replies

Lotta1978 · 16/07/2018 16:33

Hello,

Have been lurking a while, tentatively making first post and would appreciate some advice. Thank you for reading and sorry it's a bit long.

I'm a single mum of four - my first husband (and father of my boys) died and my second marriage (to a psychologically abusive narcissist) ended in divorce. I've been on my own for the past 5 years, really struggling with loneliness, and pretty traumatised by a shocking ten years, but this year I unexpectedly met someone and decided to give a relationship a go.

We were introduced by a friend of mine, someone I'd met via work but doesn't live in the UK, so we don't see each other socially on a regular basis. On a visit to this friend, she introduced me to her 'best friend', saying we'd be perfect for each other. I was sceptical, but actually she was right. In fact, it was pretty much love at first sight, on both parts. The problem was obviously that it was long distance, but we decided that seeing as the flight was only two hours, we could give it a go. That bit is working ok, if subject to the usual difficulties with LDRs.

The problem is my friend. To begin with I thought it was so great that my friend was his friend and so we already a kind of mutual social network. But the minute we got together, she became really territorial.Told me actually I could do better than him. Told him my awful relationship history and said that I'd be too damaged for him. She kisses him on the lips when they meet, won't let me use a shortened version of her name because he's the 'only one allowed to call her that.' She told me they are 'like twins' and know everything about each other. Then she told me to remove my pictures of the two of us from FB because 'it would not make everyone happy, and I shouldn't show my happiness there.' They message each other ALL the time, work together, and socialise together all the time. I told him that I'm just a bit uncomfortable with some of this, mostly with the way she introduces negativity and doubt between us that previously wasn't there, and he said that is just her way and she is a complicated person, and he's sorry she's like that, and he loves me.

I hate it though. I can't lie. I find her change of attitude really confusing. And the thing is, a similar thing happened in my second marriage, and I was trusting - and I was wrong to be. And after my first husband died, I learned that he has actually been planning to leave me for his 'work wife' but in the end couldn't get himself together enough to do it, and then he got sick so everything changed - which was devastating as it felt like my whole marriage was a lie. Even before I got married, my first boyfriend, who lived in a different city, was actually living with his ex the whole time we were together and I didn't know because we always met in a place mid-way between our two homes. So I feel like this is just history repeating itself and I'm worn out with relationships where another woman is always a lurking presence.

I simply don't want to be in a(nother) relationship with someone who has a way-too complicated female best friend thing going on. But I love this guy, and he's been nothing but wonderful to me, and he's actively looking at ways for us to live together, either in his country or in the UK. I'm absolutely not going to ask him to choose between us - the issue is mine, not with anything he personally has done - but would I be stupid to walk away from this potentially lovely thing, (esp after so much sadness in my life) because I know I can't deal with the intimacy of their friendship?

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sonjadog · 16/07/2018 19:42

I think you start to fight back. Post whatever you like on fb. Refuse to discuss your relationship with her as you are a unit that she is not part of. Take away her power in this.

gamerchick · 16/07/2018 19:44

And tell your bloke to stop being such a wet lettuce when it comes to her. It's not a sexy look.

IAintEvenBovveredThough · 16/07/2018 19:49

Post whatever the fuck you like on social media, who the hell is she to tell you not to?! Be proud and happy of your relationship and don't let her breathe her negativity all over it. It's YOUR relationship, not hers. I'd tell her in no uncertain terms to stay out your love life, not to tell you what to do & that if she kisses your partner on the lips again she shall have no lips to use for the foreseeable future. You seem so nice, too nice maybe which is why she thinks she can walk all over you. She sounds like a weirdo, time to toughen up! X

pisces7268 · 16/07/2018 19:55

Love that last reply and agree with every word!

Lotta1978 · 16/07/2018 19:57

I think I love you all.

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Barbaro · 16/07/2018 20:01

I'd be posting a ton of shit on FB to annoy her deliberately. She's pathetic, she's in love with the guy and can't let him go. They've probably dated in the past, he didn't like it and dumped her but they stayed friends.

And I'd be saying to him he either puts his foot down and no more of the nonsense kissing her and allowing her to dictate things or you're over. Pick one you or her. Can't have both.

Lotta1978 · 16/07/2018 20:02

I think the problem is that I experienced so much abusive gaslighting from my second husband that I've lost all confidence in telling anyone what upsets me and what doesn't. The replies here are amazingly encouraging in terms of how to draw boundaries. Seriously, thank you.

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Readyfortheschoolhols · 16/07/2018 20:07

Maybe she expected your relationship to fail quickly and for him to realise omg actually she is 'The One'
And its backfired.
Tbh I doubt you will ever have peace of mind, she will see to that.

Branleuse · 16/07/2018 20:10

id just sack them both off tbh. Nothing to be gained by starting some sort of game or marking your territory. If he didnt like her acting like that, he wouldnt be tolerating it. He actually kisses her on the lips in front of you?

TattyCat · 16/07/2018 20:13

I'd take the opposite and not put anything at all on FB, thereby not giving her any information or 'ammunition'; nothing to work with.

I agree that it appears she has feelings of some description although I'd bet if he suddenly became single, she'd not be interested. She sounds very emotionally immature.

As for the kissing on the lips thing: I'm not sure I'd read too much into that. I have a male friend who does this and whilst I find it really, really awkward, particularly now that he is happily loved up and living with someone, I just let it go - I absolutely know that he's not doing it because he fancies me - he just doesn't know any better, bless him. And his lovely gf doesn't seem to either notice or care, so it's not worth getting het up about.

I think in your shoes, I'd be telling her less and less about what goes on in my relationship. That way, if she really is trying to damage it, she has a lot more work to do!!

Racecardriver · 16/07/2018 20:26

I think that you have learned some important lessons from your previous relationships and you are using this knowledge to tread carefully this time. It's pretty obvious that she is interested in him. Maybe not interested enough to be his girlfriend but at the very least she wants his attention. I think that you have to give up on that friendship, she has treated you terribly. As for your relationship I think that the way forward is for him to move to you. You are never going be feel secure in the relationship with her prancing around. If you don't feel comfortable with her kissing him then say so. Make it clear that you trust him and you are sure that it is platonic for him but after the way she has behaved you feel like you can't trust her anymore.

Gemini69 · 16/07/2018 20:26

I agree....

get your PHOTOS back online.. and tell your 'friend' to piss off Flowers

AgentJohnson · 16/07/2018 21:17

This woman isn’t a friend of your relationship and as nice as he may be, he has an issue with boundaries and that ain’t a good sign, especially since you’re in a LDR.

Time to have a conversation with both of them, be frank about your misgivings about their boundaries. However, their dynamic has long been established and given your bf inability to exert stronger boundaries with this woman, I suspect that she could do a lot more before he pulls his finger out.

bastardkitty · 16/07/2018 21:23

I think I'd give him an opportunity to put it right, and dump at the first sign that he hadn't.

This ^. Also stop referring to her as your friend, because she isn't.

MiniTheMinx · 16/07/2018 22:22

I wouldn't do anything to provoke or upset her, and I wouldn't be having any conversation with him about her. Nothing worse than two women cat fighting over a man. I don't think men are attracted to bitching women who talk about other women, it's probably very boring and looks manipulative. Plus if you piss her off she's in a better position than you to influence him negatively against you.

Just be your kind sweet self. Don't lower yourself to her game playing. I'd talk to him about moving here, talk about your future and act like everything is fine and dandy. If he wants to be with you, he wilmake it happen, it will be because of your better qualities not because you behave like a crazed, insecure, jealous woman who talks about her friends behind their backs.... that's not a good look! Leave that to her.

eightfacesofthemoon · 16/07/2018 22:34

Why does he allow hefty kiss him on the mouth
Why does he allow her to believe in their love

There is a massive difference between a stalker and s good friend that you let yourself always keep in close contact because it’s flattering.

So is he a man who keeps a woman as a friend because he knows they want something more and then does nothing to discourage it????

If a friend of mine kissed me on the lips I would thing WTAF

eightfacesofthemoon · 16/07/2018 22:35

Hefty!! I meant her
But maybe she is hefty too

Whipsmart · 16/07/2018 23:58

Sorry you're going through this after such a horrible few years and painful past relationships. You definitely deserve happiness Thanks

Your "friend" is being a bitch! Agree with pp who said she never expected you and him to hit it off - or if she did, she had visions of being the sexy gal pal making his girlfriend nervous (quite a few women seem to revel in this role!)

I think if you're serious about him, definitely go as public as you like on fb - he's already said it's fine with him. If she wants you to play it down, she doesn't have a leg to stand on. What's she going to say, "Stop being happy together, it's making me jealous"?! Then hopefully she'll kick off at him and he'll see the way the land lies, without you having to bring it up with him again. Good luck!

TheseThingsMatter · 17/07/2018 00:14

I'd dump the man because he doesn't know how to make a solid boundary between himself and another woman .

AgentJohnson · 17/07/2018 04:25

Your bf has a boundary problem, it would be foolish to invest more of your time when he can’t get the basics right. Not encouraging her is not the same as dissuading her, he needs to be proactive about his boundaries rather than expecting you to ignore yours, by accepting this bullshit.

Ask yourself this, why hasn’t he asserted stronger boundaries with this woman? What advantages are there to him for his hands off approach? He isn’t the innocent bystander in this, his inaction speaks volumes. He either likes the ego stroke of this woman’s behaviour or he doesn’t care enough about her, to set her straight. Whatever the explain neither makes him look good.

Quantumblue · 17/07/2018 04:44

She is not the boss of your relationship. She has in fact no part of it. It is up to you to decide the kind of relationship you want - boundaries, local,social media presence etc and negotiate this with your partner.
She is not your friend, in any way.

category12 · 17/07/2018 05:58

Your boundaries with her are screwed up - why is she able to dictate what you do on social media?

His boundaries with her are screwed up - why is he letting her kiss him and bully you?

Tell him you're fed up of her doing all these things and that if he doesn't draw a line you won't hang around. And stop kowtowing to her yourself.

Lotta1978 · 17/07/2018 07:19

I guess I was really hoping that just for once, I might have found a relationship where all the basics were... ok. I know nothing's guaranteed and people aren't perfect, but still. Just a basic, straightforward bottom line would have been a nice starting point. Especially when this guy is kind, supportive of my work, thoughtful about little things like messaging me just to see how my day is, lovely to my kids (who think he's great)...

I think deep down I know that it's not enough for him just to tell me there's nothing to worry about and that she's a complicated person. I read a lot of articles which said the last thing you should do is make a guy choose between his gf and any friend, especially another female one, but I'm also starting to think, well isn't this part of what allows men to treat women at best thoughtlessly and at worst, badly. If we're not allowed to say, 'this upsets me' without coming across as hysterical and possessive, then somewhere along the way, something isn't right.

She's a big part of his life, and was there before I was. They work together, and are a part of each other's general social scene. I think, much as I don't want to, I'm going to have to walk away from it.

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Lotta1978 · 17/07/2018 07:22

Thank you so much for all the advice and replies xx

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Quantumblue · 17/07/2018 07:27

You are always allowed to say 'this upsets me.' Your feelings matter and your voice needs to be heard.
It sounds as if she has targeted you as part of a convoluted attempt to secure him for herself. Don't be the patsy in her game. The relationship needs to meet your need to be respected.