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I can't leave ill husband can I?

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DrowningInSellotape · 07/05/2018 23:37

My Dh has an incurable illness and also is quite horrible and difficult to live with, this has been going on for years now and just getting worse. He is totally self centred and makes everything about him, and is also incredibly negative about everything in life / our lives. He was like this before he got ill and obviously having this illness is just horrible for him but he takes it out on me and our teenage DC's. Just one example today. He decided to mow the lawn and I knew he would find it very tiring. I said we would do it together in stages so she he got a bit tired he could rest a d I would take over. He refused this and did it all himself even though I offered again a couple of times. Afterwards he stormed into the house shouting, saying he'd had enough of everything and was exhausted from mowing the lawn. I said he should have taken me up on my offer but he just pushed past me and stamped upstairs to bed, still shouting. A bit later I was in the phone to my friend, and I could hear him up again, shouting at my youngest Dc (age 18). This sort if thing happens A LOT and it makes me so stressed and miserable, I hate being at home with him and he is an utter misery guts. I know he is ill and I do so much for him but nothing is appreciated. I've read articles and seen programmes about people with the same illness and some of the things they do to cope with it, including trying positive thinking, but he does nothing of this. I feel completely trapped, I hate our relationship. Does a gone have any advice?

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Melliegrantfirstlady · 11/05/2018 10:05

Op

Honestly get away from this marriage. It sounds miserable and hard work.

Don’t stay because you pity him. You can still help him occasionally at his new place if you want to.

What he is doing to the kids would make me hate him even more! Grrrr

And don’t stay for the kids sake. Believe me you will find your children are much happier when he isn’t around dictating and getting angry. They will start to relax and come out of their shell

danihope84 · 11/05/2018 10:13

Perhaps he needs antidepressants. It could help to make him a more positive person and lift him out of his black hole. Maybe you should give him some space and ask him to look at himself, make some changes and when that has happened you can consider being with him again. Good luck x

cestlavielife · 11/05/2018 10:18

Get some counselling for you and for dc .
You with professional support can help.dd process the changes .
They will be for the better.

You don't have to live with someone who is nasty just because they are also ill.

cestlavielife · 11/05/2018 10:36

And ignore other people they don't know what goes on... that people think I left my exp when he was depressed poor thing and only for that reason...well it's their issue. They won't know the full story.

GummyGoddess · 11/05/2018 10:42

He's being cruel, instead of putting his daughter first he encouraged her to be upset until she was hysterical before wandering off and leaving you to deal with it. Most parents would reassure that everything would be ok rather than make it all about them.

MyNameIsTotoro · 11/05/2018 11:19

I really feel for you OP Flowers I think you're doing the right thing.

I will just say, I was your DC1 in this scenario. Please don't ring wake them up for moral support at 5am. They might be the strong one, but they will have been impacted by the toxic environment at home over the years and will be relishing their space. My parents both put too much on me emotionally and although I thought it was ok and normal at the time, I can see now that it wasn't and shouldn't have happened.

Unfortunately my M never left F. He got worse. I actively distance myself from them.

Isittimeforbed · 11/05/2018 11:29

You're doing the right thing by separating and making the most of your life. Your DC will ultimately be fine and they're old enough to be moving on with their own lives, even if there are some health challenges. I do agree with pp about being careful with boundaries (I've also been a DC in a similar situation) and don't rely on them for support too heavily even though they're the only ones who'll really understand what it's been like living there. It's not good for anyone to stay in that situation because of the concern about what people might think. Be happy!

MathsScience · 11/05/2018 12:37

I think its a bit unfair for you to be involving your adult children emotionally in all this. I think you need to try and stand up for yourself and they will take their lead. Perhaps its easy to say, and perhaps the environment has become so toxic between all of you that this feels impossible or difficult for you. But someone has to be the adult. And clearly its not going to be the DH. The feeling from your posts is one of anxiety and dread. But really this could be a positive adventure and a real step forward improving your live(s).

2018Anon · 11/05/2018 12:59

Sorry I've not had the chance to read all the responses but here's my take on it. Last year I decided I couldn't live with my ex anymore but his Dad was terminally ill at the time. I posted on here as to whether I should end things at such an awful time for him.
The consensus was to end things. He was awful to live with (and was before his dad got ill) but things just took an horrendous turn for the worse.
I did end things and he was very angry and still tells me he will never forgive me for the timing. However, I'm a year down the line and I don't regret my decision at all. His Dad sadly passed away about 4 weeks after I ended things and he was awful to me for a long time (bitterness took over) but things are better now.
The freedom and relief I felt when he moved out was amazing. I did suffer from guilt for a long time but I'm over that now and enjoying my freedom.
You're not ending things because of his illness, you're ending things because of his behaviour towards you. You don't deserve that. You deserve to be happy,

FaithEverPresent · 11/05/2018 13:22

I think you need to leave for everyone’s sake. He has the opportunity to change by taking anti-depressants and getting counselling but no motivation to change.

Re DD3 - I am an Aspie. For me, the fear of change and the unexpected is far worse than the reality. I’m much better if I know what to expect in advance. Your DD will resist the change but I think if you talk things through, tell her what to expect as best you can, she’ll be okay long term.

Jux · 11/05/2018 15:30

Read him the Riot Act over manipulating his child into far greater upset than necessary, ask him why he thinks that sort of behaviour is a) helpful to the child, and b) not going to make you even more determined to put an end to your relationship with him? Be calm but very very angry.

Then tell him that you expect him to behave like a rational adult who has been living in a civilised society, and not like a petulant spoilt brat who should just ge sent to his room and ignored.

DrowningInSellotape · 11/05/2018 19:09

Regarding anti depressants, he refuses point blank, always has done.

His latest thing is that we can't afford two lots of council tax.

I will try not to drag my children into it but the middle one has just recently put her cards on the table and seems to want to stand up for me.Perhaps I should tell her to back off (but nicely) but she is also desperate for change. I've apologised to the eldest about phoning at 5am, she did say she felt she should know what's going on but I was apologetic about the timing.
I have no energy for reading DH any riot act right now I'm afraid.

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Melliegrantfirstlady · 11/05/2018 19:17

‘We can’t afford’

No it will be you on your own and you will receive a discount for your council tax plus more because your son has a disability

Did you get the house valued

Melliegrantfirstlady · 11/05/2018 19:18

What he can afford isn’t your problem

minimalpatience · 11/05/2018 19:28

Don't feel guilty. Life isn't a dress rehearsal, so don't sacrifice yourself if you're not happy.

minimalpatience · 11/05/2018 19:30

Also he sounds v manipulative.

DrowningInSellotape · 11/05/2018 19:35

Perhaps I'm thinking it through all wrong, I am imagining living separately but not divorcing so our financial arrangements would remain the same as they are now. Have never claimed anything for Dc1's disability, we do have a diagnosis but she has never accepted any help and actually denies she is on the spectrum at all, just admits to anxiety. I have recently done all her student finance application and she wouldn't apply for any disabled student allowance. Anyway I do work, although my income can be unpredictable (self employed) so hopefully can afford things. Will have to sit down and work it all out.

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DrowningInSellotape · 11/05/2018 19:40

Yes I think he is a bit manipulative, at least a bit passive aggressive. Last weekend we had been planning to go to the Garden Centre, but obviously it was rather hot! He was lying on the bed and I went in there and said "oh we can go to the Garden Centre tomorrow". Instead of responding with "oh ok, if you don't mind" like any normal person, he had a go at me for "always moving the goal posts" Wtf???!!

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DrowningInSellotape · 11/05/2018 19:42

So you can imagine it's very draining, and I just can't say anything so I end up just withdrawing into myself. Anyway thanks for reading this, it's helpful to write it all down and to read any posts!

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MyNameIsTotoro · 11/05/2018 19:48

I think he's a lot more than a bit manipulative!! He's kept you all in place, walking on eggshells no doubt, afraid to rock the status quo as the alternative may be worse or do him harm? does that ring any bells?

MismatchedPJs · 11/05/2018 19:56

You can deliver change and keep them informed without leaning unduly on them though. If they were younger you'd just have to. They need to know what will happen in practical terms but shield them from all the he said she said, it's not their burden to bear and your eldest will just fret. Some things within a marriage don't need to involve the wider family. Mathscientist is right, someone's got to be the grown up.

It is really, REALLY early days. You know your own child best, but my autistic child is more freaked out by surprise than change. He's upset by the news that something big is happening, but if he has a warning then he processes it and by the time the change happens, he can cope. Eg if you put your house on the market, could you warn DD that it will happen a few days ahead?

You don't need to decide everything straight away. It's a massive change, you're both new to this, one step at a time.

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