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Does he like me? **Title edited by MNHQ at the request of the OP**

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 11:34

I'm 33. I consider myself to be attractive, successful, independent woman. Never a shortage of interested men, but I find it really, really difficult to fall in love. I've had quite a few long term relationships, but I never seem to fall in love. I have everything going for me in my life - I just struggle to meet a man to feel that magic park with. So I have tried to settle down with good looking men with good jobs, stable backgrounds, who are very into me etc but I end up walking away. And I'm beginning to despair - will I ever meet anyone? I do want to be married with children one day.

That being said, I am in love at the moment. He's the second man I've felt this way about. Last time was over a decade ago. I guess that's why I am having trouble trying to decide what to do.

I met him on online dating around 6 months ago. He didn't seem overly keen in the beginning, then he did, then he didn't etc. He told me he wasn't looking for anything serious, that he didn't feel for me the way he has done with other women etc. I agreed to keep it casual, it was fun etc as I had just come out of a long-term relationship.

But then I fell for him two months in. Of course, I didn't tell him, and to keep the pressure off, I told him I was dating others which he didn't seem happy about and wanted to stop seeing me. Then we agreed to not see other people. A month later, I found a message on his phone from a woman he'd met in a bar - he wanted to take her out. I calmly and happily told him it was ok, I wasn't angry and that I was looking for something more in life, and that I totally understood we're not on the same page. He started crying and begged for me not to go. But I walked away. Yet we ended up seeing each other again, and in fact, I told him we either had to give serious dating a try or leave each other alone because we clearly couldn't do the no strings thing. He agreed to give things a try and he has been putting in effort - but with my work being stressful, seeing that message on his phone etc, I gave up and he was blowing hot and cold anyway. But at the very least, I knew he wasn't seeing other people.

My contraception failed and I fell pregnant a few weeks later and didn't tell him until after I had an abortion. He was absolutely lovely about it and was very supportive. I thought perhaps there is something here, maybe I do need to try. After all, I have fallen for him. A few days later, my hormones got the better of me, and I erupted and told him it was overwhelming, and that I thought it was best we stopped seeing each other - that while I felt there was potential, it just wasn't working out, I wasn't trying and keeping him at arm's length and he obviously was as well. He didn't want to stop though he did say sometimes he felt something was missing. In fact, he asked whether I had any affection for him and if I actually knew what I wanted. I told him I needed to be looked after, cared for etc and he said he wanted to do that. We were on the phone for hours then he came over in the evening, but we didn't talk anymore because it was late. We have carried on seeing each other.

My hormones erupted another evening, after he said something critical, and he has been on his best behaviour ever since. I had a work trip to go to a couple weeks ago, and he went shopping for my items, helped me packed, cooked for me, spent the entire weekend with me. We messaged constantly, but it is quite dry and not very emotional.

When I came back from my travels, we had a window of a couple of days before he went away with his family. He took hours to respond to my request to meet up, so I went out with my friends. He asked me to head over to his afterwards, but I didn't want to. Since then he's been messaging a lot, asking where I am, who I am with etc.

I know many of you will say he's a player, he's stringing me along, but I really don't think he is. But at the same time, he is not consistent and he can be quite withdrawn and cold.

I think we both might be awkward and shy people who aren't very good at relationships. I usually need a man to pursue me quite aggressively. I don't open up very easily.

He has a history of mental health issues and was seeing a therapist for some time, who advised him to try something new with me, because he's never had a girlfriend before. He has opened up and said he is a very black and white kind of person, all or nothing, and can be quite negative. He also has a lot going on in his life at the moment - he's only just graduated and applying for jobs, which isn't going so well.

It's hard to walk away because how I feel for him is a very rare find for me. If he were to be consistent and actually showed me his feelings, I think I'd be more likely to open up myself.

That being said, I can be quite unhappy with him. And I'd rather be alone than with the wrong person.

I just don't know whether the above can be remedied and what I should do.

Would appreciate your outsider views/advice/support. Thanks.

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 11:36

Sorry to be more specific - I'm wondering whether I am wasting time with this guy. As mentioned, I'm 33 and want to get a move on with finding the right man. Also, how to forget the comments he made in the beginning about not feeling for me the way he has done with other women. I cna't just erase that from my mind and it's eating away at me. That's why I am struggling to open up. He doesn't compliment me much and doesn't pursue me aggressively the way other men have done.

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ALittleBitConfused1 · 04/04/2018 12:26

You sound like hard work. If I was him I would probably leave well alone too.
You sound like you thrive on drama.
I would let this man go, stop mucking him around, changing your mind about what you want, erupting at him and saying things you don't mean.
I would also seek some counselling before dating again, it will help you change your unhealthy attitudes towards relationships.

sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 16:49

Anyone else?

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FinallyHere · 04/04/2018 16:54

Another reader who thinks perhaps that you find yourself attracted to relationships with an unsustainably high level of drama. I haven't had that many serious relationships but the thing that I look for is a shared sense of humour and a feeling of ease in each others company.

I cannot imagine the conversation with someone upfront when they told me they didn't like me that much which didn't end with a shrug and a fair enough.

Hope you find what you are looking for.

Thethingswedoforlove · 04/04/2018 16:56

You don’t fall in love often but have in this case. I would encourage you to give this your best shot. Then you will never have to wonder about what if.....

MoreMoneyMoreProblems · 04/04/2018 17:27

Too much has happened, walk away

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 04/04/2018 17:31

I don't think he sounds like a player.

I do think you sound very unhappy; and if I was him, I wouldn't be able to cope with the constant drama and emotional outbursts so often.

Caroline680 · 04/04/2018 17:31

stop blaming stuff on your hormones

plus life doesn't have to be this hard

zippey · 04/04/2018 17:36

You both sound Like you have issues at the moment and you both sound unhappy. Unfortunately in this case, two negatives do not make a positive. Maybe give dating a break for a year and see what the year brings up.

MoreMoneyMoreProblems · 04/04/2018 17:37

Caroline, in op's defence. Everything we do is based on chemicals in our brains. You are effectively telling op to detach herself from the thing that controls her.

Hence happiness is created with a tablet!

MrsXx4 · 04/04/2018 17:37

You are being hard work and making this all sound so intense! just stop playing games, decide what you want. That's goes for both of you. If its not the same then walk away from each other because all this is a big headache!

gamerchick · 04/04/2018 17:46

WTS ^^

You don’t sound emotionally available to any man other than ‘erupting ‘ and blaming your hormones. What is it exactly you’re wanting them to do?

sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 17:47

Just to add:

I’m usually a very balanced and calm person. What changed was the pregnancy and the month after the termination - my hormones were all over the place. I’m ok now.

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 17:55

I’m wondering whether I should talk to him about what I want in the future - ie kids and marriage one day. That I’m looking for someone to build a meaningful relationship with. That we can enjoy ourselves but ultimately in the years to come that’s what I want. See if we’re on the same page.

Or whether it’s too soon and just to continue seeing him and actually put some real effort into things. And see where it goes.

I’d love to do the second option but I feel like I’ve pursued him and pushed things too much. I can’t seem to stop thinking about the negative things he said months and months ago. One of them was that he could see himself become attached but won’t be able to commit. Yes, it was all the way in the beginning, but you know pretty early on how you feel?

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lizzie1970a · 04/04/2018 18:03

He doesn't seem 100% keen (sorry to have to say) although there seems to be something there. I think you'll always remember that he doesn't feel the same about you as he has other women. He might have changed that view though as he doesn't seem to want to let you go either. Very mixed messages. I think at your age it's clear you don't want to waste time and emotional energy as if it ends badly it'll take you a while to start meeting someone else. I think I'd have a conversation - ask him what he wants, tell him what you want and if he's reluctant then I think walk away and start afresh. Forget that you feel for him - it's not working anyway and he's not making you happy.

lizzie1970a · 04/04/2018 18:07

If he has just graduated is he 21? That plus the mental health issues and his age and attitude I think are going to give you a lot of upset. I'd run away now I think while you can. It sounds like he's still finding himself if he's that much younger than you. Can you see yourself having a child with him in 4 years? You'll be past 35 then which is the age fertility starts to decline supposedly. Is he going to be in a place for that in terms of work, ambition, where he sees himself? You could waste some of the best years of your life on him.

sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 18:07

lizzie1970a It’s refreshing to hear from someone else that he doesn’t seem overly keen. That’s my impression as well. And why I’ve been holding back so much. Thanks for your suggestion of talking to him. Might be good to do it now, as we haven’t seen each other for a few weeks. Might be good to do it before we start sleeping together and become attached again.

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 18:09

He is 32. He’s done various degrees and started late. But he could pass for someone younger in terms of life experience. As you said, I could waste a lot of time on him. I would want to try for a baby and be married within the next 5 years.

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Fightthebear · 04/04/2018 18:09

I’m wondering why you haven’t felt love for the good, stable men you’ve been in relationships with in the past but do seem attached to this emotionally unavailable, damaged man.

It sounds self destructive.

sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 18:11

Fightthebear I liked him very much from the moment I met him - before any of the drama. He has a certain look, qualities etc.

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category12 · 04/04/2018 18:15

I think it's the push-pull of him running hot & cold that has you hooked, tbh. Whether it's deliberate or not, its psychological effect is quite addictive, like a rat pulling on a lever that occasionally gives a treat but sometimes doesn't. I don't think you've fallen for him as such, it's just a hold he's got.

See if any of this resonates: www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-winter/the-dating-game-of-hot-and-cold_b_7093446.html

Fightthebear · 04/04/2018 18:19

I think you can still be sub consciously attracted to someone unavailable before any drama starts up.

Category12 makes a good point.

lizzie1970a · 04/04/2018 18:19

I'm glad you took it the way I meant it - not to be hurtful but to say he's giving you mixed messages. I think he sounds confused himself. When you pull away he doesn't like that, yet he's not beating a path to your door either. Maybe he's not that type of man anyway. He sounds complicated and sometimes that is just too much hard work. Personally my style is to have a chat as I like to know what's happening. If he runs a mile at that chat then perhaps he wasn't for you anyway. Better to know what's going on so that you can heal and give yourself the chance to meet someone else. You're approaching mid 30s, men have to accept this is when a woman starts thinking about settling down and her body clock. There will be other men, possibly one that you'll love more, but you won't know if you spend the next 3 years being emotionally messed around by this one and marriage and babies might slip you by if he messes with your head. Good luck.

Trialsmum · 04/04/2018 18:20

Tbh I bet he’s just as confused as you are. You’re sending out massive mixed messages and dating you sounds like hard work sorry!

lizzie1970a · 04/04/2018 18:23

Yes, category has made a good point. A man did this to me and it was excrutiating getting out of it. Took a holiday to NY and having sex with someone else to get over him. He didn't like that one bit and tried to reel me in a few times. I then met someone else in the UK who I started a relationship with and told him where to go. He didn't want me. He just didn't want to let me go in case he found out he did want me. Wanted me dangling. There was something there but looking at the practicalities of a lasting relationship/marriage it was a no go.