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Does he like me? **Title edited by MNHQ at the request of the OP**

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 11:34

I'm 33. I consider myself to be attractive, successful, independent woman. Never a shortage of interested men, but I find it really, really difficult to fall in love. I've had quite a few long term relationships, but I never seem to fall in love. I have everything going for me in my life - I just struggle to meet a man to feel that magic park with. So I have tried to settle down with good looking men with good jobs, stable backgrounds, who are very into me etc but I end up walking away. And I'm beginning to despair - will I ever meet anyone? I do want to be married with children one day.

That being said, I am in love at the moment. He's the second man I've felt this way about. Last time was over a decade ago. I guess that's why I am having trouble trying to decide what to do.

I met him on online dating around 6 months ago. He didn't seem overly keen in the beginning, then he did, then he didn't etc. He told me he wasn't looking for anything serious, that he didn't feel for me the way he has done with other women etc. I agreed to keep it casual, it was fun etc as I had just come out of a long-term relationship.

But then I fell for him two months in. Of course, I didn't tell him, and to keep the pressure off, I told him I was dating others which he didn't seem happy about and wanted to stop seeing me. Then we agreed to not see other people. A month later, I found a message on his phone from a woman he'd met in a bar - he wanted to take her out. I calmly and happily told him it was ok, I wasn't angry and that I was looking for something more in life, and that I totally understood we're not on the same page. He started crying and begged for me not to go. But I walked away. Yet we ended up seeing each other again, and in fact, I told him we either had to give serious dating a try or leave each other alone because we clearly couldn't do the no strings thing. He agreed to give things a try and he has been putting in effort - but with my work being stressful, seeing that message on his phone etc, I gave up and he was blowing hot and cold anyway. But at the very least, I knew he wasn't seeing other people.

My contraception failed and I fell pregnant a few weeks later and didn't tell him until after I had an abortion. He was absolutely lovely about it and was very supportive. I thought perhaps there is something here, maybe I do need to try. After all, I have fallen for him. A few days later, my hormones got the better of me, and I erupted and told him it was overwhelming, and that I thought it was best we stopped seeing each other - that while I felt there was potential, it just wasn't working out, I wasn't trying and keeping him at arm's length and he obviously was as well. He didn't want to stop though he did say sometimes he felt something was missing. In fact, he asked whether I had any affection for him and if I actually knew what I wanted. I told him I needed to be looked after, cared for etc and he said he wanted to do that. We were on the phone for hours then he came over in the evening, but we didn't talk anymore because it was late. We have carried on seeing each other.

My hormones erupted another evening, after he said something critical, and he has been on his best behaviour ever since. I had a work trip to go to a couple weeks ago, and he went shopping for my items, helped me packed, cooked for me, spent the entire weekend with me. We messaged constantly, but it is quite dry and not very emotional.

When I came back from my travels, we had a window of a couple of days before he went away with his family. He took hours to respond to my request to meet up, so I went out with my friends. He asked me to head over to his afterwards, but I didn't want to. Since then he's been messaging a lot, asking where I am, who I am with etc.

I know many of you will say he's a player, he's stringing me along, but I really don't think he is. But at the same time, he is not consistent and he can be quite withdrawn and cold.

I think we both might be awkward and shy people who aren't very good at relationships. I usually need a man to pursue me quite aggressively. I don't open up very easily.

He has a history of mental health issues and was seeing a therapist for some time, who advised him to try something new with me, because he's never had a girlfriend before. He has opened up and said he is a very black and white kind of person, all or nothing, and can be quite negative. He also has a lot going on in his life at the moment - he's only just graduated and applying for jobs, which isn't going so well.

It's hard to walk away because how I feel for him is a very rare find for me. If he were to be consistent and actually showed me his feelings, I think I'd be more likely to open up myself.

That being said, I can be quite unhappy with him. And I'd rather be alone than with the wrong person.

I just don't know whether the above can be remedied and what I should do.

Would appreciate your outsider views/advice/support. Thanks.

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 18:31

category12 definitely feeds into it

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 18:37

lizzie1970a If it ends now, I'll take it badly - but not as badly as if I open up, be vulnerable, introduce him to my friends, family etc. Then I'd probably need a holiday to NY as well!

I think he is confused. He said as much, when I tried to end things a month ago. He said he likes me, he has feelings, but something missing (er, us keeping each other at arm's length) and asked whether I liked him, and if I knew what I wanted. I was holding back because I showed too much, and I wanted to see if he would pursue me. I don't think he's the kind to beat a path to the woman of his dreams - he's quite withdrawn and the logical/rational type.

I wonder if I should talk to him now or give it a few weeks of me trying to put in some effort (which is going to be difficult). Also, is it too soon after trying to break up with him a month ago? We discussed things, but it was confusing and we didn't agree on anything.

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SmileyBird · 04/04/2018 18:37

It sounds like you really like playing games, pretending to be not interested then changing your mind.

This is not going to change into some kind of happy ever after for the rest of your life.

If you want marriage and kids you need to move on.

sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 18:38

SmileyBird I don't like playing games at all. I just decided to withdraw to ease the pressure on him, to give him space, to see if things could develop, without getting hurt.

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rumred · 04/04/2018 18:44

That there is game playing. Otherwise you'd talk to one another

category12 · 04/04/2018 18:48

It's all too difficult and ridiculous really. It should be easier than this - difficulty often makes something seem valuable and worth trying for, when actually it's not that great. I think you should chuck it in and look for something that just clicks and works. It does when it's right. If you're questioning and doubting and striving all the time, it's just work.

Quietwhenreading · 04/04/2018 18:50

Quite honestly? Love isn’t this hard.

It just isn’t.

You’ve known each other for six months and you’ve been through more drama than my DH and I have in nearly 30 years together.

You might be infatuated but it really doesn’t sound like he is.

It sounds like he likes regular sex.

I’m sure he likes you, finds you a nice person to be with but he isn’t anywhere near love.

My reading of your post is that he puts in just enough effort every time you suggest cutting off the sex to keep you providing it.

He was nice to you before you went away to make sure you stayed faithful (even though he has necessarily been)

He was nice to you after your termination to allay his guilt and to make sure you didn’t feel bad enough to cut off the sex.

I know this post is a bit cold but honestly OP I don’t want you to waste your time with this.

He might be handsome and charming but that is nowhere near enough for a life together.

If you were my friend IRL I’d recommend that you move on and cut ties completely.

NameChangeNameChangeNameChange · 04/04/2018 18:51

I think it's telling that this uncertainty is associated with "falling in love" for you. If you want to get this feeling in the context of something more reliable, can you go rock climbing/sky diving with someone stable?! I'm not even joking...

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.mic.com/articles/amp/111382/when-it-comes-to-romance-science-has-good-news-for-adrenaline-junkies

sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 18:56

Quietwhenreading No, not cold, it's actually a relief reading this. If this is the case, I don't think I'd have a problem walking away. After all, I do want to be happy in my life!

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 18:56

NameChangeNameChangeNameChange Ha! thanks for the suggestion!

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 19:04

Also wanted to add that he says he probably has aspergers. Having read the other thread active on here, I thought I'd add it here. But I don't think that contributes much to the situation we're in at present.

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DairyisClosed · 04/04/2018 19:05

You really need to let go of this 'in love' thing altogether. At your age should should really know better. You aren't going to achieve any kind of meaningful love until you have been through a few difficult things together. What you are describing is infatuation and has no long term value in a relationship. If you are serious about getting married and having children you need to find someone else who is also serious about it and then, if you feel like you could tolerate them for the rest of your life no matter what more or less, then marry them. This guy isn't going to give you that any time soon.

category12 · 04/04/2018 19:15

Right. So he may be Asperger's. If true and it's a reason for his behaviour, you realise that there won't be a ta-dah moment where he's engaged with you on the same wavelength, instead this would be permanent and ongoing? Perhaps something you could live with, but add into the mix children as well?

Quietwhenreading · 04/04/2018 19:22

Sunset (and apologies if I sound a little bit patronising) love isn’t always like it seems in the movies or in books.

It doesn’t need to a grand passion with lightening bolts and desperate declarations of love.

Love in fiction is full of trials and tribulations as a literary device. Love in real life isn’t like that

Most people meet someone, get to know them, have lots of fun and enjoy each other’s company. They build trust over time and become best friends. During this time establish that they have similar values, principles and desires for life.

They might have the odd argument but nothing too fundamental or difficult to resolve.

At some point they realise that this particular person is so fantastic, fun, interesting, sexy and kind that they can’t imagine spending their life with anyone else.

That’s love.

Love is someone who will clean sick out of your hair and tell you that you are the most beautiful woman in the world while doing it.

Love is someone that puts up with your weird family and can’t wait to hear all about your day.

Love is someone that can happily sit in silence with you or talk for hours.

Love is someone that you trust to the ends of the earth.

There’s a reason for the wording of the marriage vows “for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health“

Love is someone who loves you during the worse, the poorer and in sickness.

I hope you find someone worth your time and your heart. Flowers

sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 19:42

Quietwhenreading thank you Flowers

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TatianaLarina · 04/04/2018 20:52

All in he’s just not that into you and he’s told you that himself. That’s why he’s not overly enthusiastic about you.

The only reason you’ve ‘fallen’ for him is because you know deep down that he doesn’t love you so it’s safe to like him.

He’s obviously got problems - mental health issues, blows hot and cold, never held down a relationship. What appeals to you about that? Are you a rescuer type?

Paradiso1 · 05/04/2018 13:14

@Sunsetheaven

I'm quite confused by some elements of your post. You mentioned that you got pregnant, had an abortion, told him afterwards. Did you have any feelings at all about the abortion? That's a pretty major life event, but you wrote about it as casually as if you were mentioning a trip to H&M or something.

What mental health issues does this man have?

When you repeatedly mention your "hormones erupted" -- what does this mean?

Quietwhenreading · 05/04/2018 13:32

Paradiso what a nasty, nasty post.

You are not entitled to know the OP’s deepest feelings just because she asked for advice.

I disagree she wrote about it casually. From my perspective she wrote about it briefly, I would suggest that the brevity indicates deep feelings on the matter rather than the reverse.

But nevertheless it is not your business, nor your place to judge her for it.

Chippyway · 05/04/2018 13:36

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sunsetheaven · 05/04/2018 13:41

Paradiso1 The abortion was the right thing to do. I didn’t tell him because it was difficult enough to go through myself. During the pregnancy and after the termination, I was very hormonal and emotional.

He has depression and low self esteem.

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Paradiso1 · 05/04/2018 13:45

@sunsetheaven

Thanks for your reply. I noticed the aggressive response (to my question) from some other poster and wanted to apologise to you if you feel I was judging you. I am not judging you. I was more wondering whether you'd processed any emotions you might have re the abortion, etc.

What is the latest with this guy? Are you still seeing him?

sunsetheaven · 05/04/2018 13:57

Paradiso1 Yes still seeing him altho we have both been on travels lately and haven’t seen him in a few weeks. We’re both back now but there’s no excitement to see each other, no I miss you etc. That’s why I find it hard to come out of my shell with him. I agree with other posters - he’s just not that into me.

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Paradiso1 · 05/04/2018 14:04

Hi @Sunsetheaven -- so even you don't feel excitement to see him? Did you miss him?

sunsetheaven · 05/04/2018 14:42

Paradiso1 I was but now he’s taking long to reply to my messages, there’s no excitement of seeing each other, no plans etc. No wonder I’ve kept myself back. Hot, cold, rinse, repeat.

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Paradiso1 · 05/04/2018 14:49

@Sunsetheaven, did you read that article about the push-pull cycle that someone linked to earlier in the thread? I'm halfway through the article now and it's brilliant! I think you might find it useful too.