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Does he like me? **Title edited by MNHQ at the request of the OP**

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sunsetheaven · 04/04/2018 11:34

I'm 33. I consider myself to be attractive, successful, independent woman. Never a shortage of interested men, but I find it really, really difficult to fall in love. I've had quite a few long term relationships, but I never seem to fall in love. I have everything going for me in my life - I just struggle to meet a man to feel that magic park with. So I have tried to settle down with good looking men with good jobs, stable backgrounds, who are very into me etc but I end up walking away. And I'm beginning to despair - will I ever meet anyone? I do want to be married with children one day.

That being said, I am in love at the moment. He's the second man I've felt this way about. Last time was over a decade ago. I guess that's why I am having trouble trying to decide what to do.

I met him on online dating around 6 months ago. He didn't seem overly keen in the beginning, then he did, then he didn't etc. He told me he wasn't looking for anything serious, that he didn't feel for me the way he has done with other women etc. I agreed to keep it casual, it was fun etc as I had just come out of a long-term relationship.

But then I fell for him two months in. Of course, I didn't tell him, and to keep the pressure off, I told him I was dating others which he didn't seem happy about and wanted to stop seeing me. Then we agreed to not see other people. A month later, I found a message on his phone from a woman he'd met in a bar - he wanted to take her out. I calmly and happily told him it was ok, I wasn't angry and that I was looking for something more in life, and that I totally understood we're not on the same page. He started crying and begged for me not to go. But I walked away. Yet we ended up seeing each other again, and in fact, I told him we either had to give serious dating a try or leave each other alone because we clearly couldn't do the no strings thing. He agreed to give things a try and he has been putting in effort - but with my work being stressful, seeing that message on his phone etc, I gave up and he was blowing hot and cold anyway. But at the very least, I knew he wasn't seeing other people.

My contraception failed and I fell pregnant a few weeks later and didn't tell him until after I had an abortion. He was absolutely lovely about it and was very supportive. I thought perhaps there is something here, maybe I do need to try. After all, I have fallen for him. A few days later, my hormones got the better of me, and I erupted and told him it was overwhelming, and that I thought it was best we stopped seeing each other - that while I felt there was potential, it just wasn't working out, I wasn't trying and keeping him at arm's length and he obviously was as well. He didn't want to stop though he did say sometimes he felt something was missing. In fact, he asked whether I had any affection for him and if I actually knew what I wanted. I told him I needed to be looked after, cared for etc and he said he wanted to do that. We were on the phone for hours then he came over in the evening, but we didn't talk anymore because it was late. We have carried on seeing each other.

My hormones erupted another evening, after he said something critical, and he has been on his best behaviour ever since. I had a work trip to go to a couple weeks ago, and he went shopping for my items, helped me packed, cooked for me, spent the entire weekend with me. We messaged constantly, but it is quite dry and not very emotional.

When I came back from my travels, we had a window of a couple of days before he went away with his family. He took hours to respond to my request to meet up, so I went out with my friends. He asked me to head over to his afterwards, but I didn't want to. Since then he's been messaging a lot, asking where I am, who I am with etc.

I know many of you will say he's a player, he's stringing me along, but I really don't think he is. But at the same time, he is not consistent and he can be quite withdrawn and cold.

I think we both might be awkward and shy people who aren't very good at relationships. I usually need a man to pursue me quite aggressively. I don't open up very easily.

He has a history of mental health issues and was seeing a therapist for some time, who advised him to try something new with me, because he's never had a girlfriend before. He has opened up and said he is a very black and white kind of person, all or nothing, and can be quite negative. He also has a lot going on in his life at the moment - he's only just graduated and applying for jobs, which isn't going so well.

It's hard to walk away because how I feel for him is a very rare find for me. If he were to be consistent and actually showed me his feelings, I think I'd be more likely to open up myself.

That being said, I can be quite unhappy with him. And I'd rather be alone than with the wrong person.

I just don't know whether the above can be remedied and what I should do.

Would appreciate your outsider views/advice/support. Thanks.

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magoria · 05/04/2018 14:51

I have to agree he has told you he is not that into you. When men tell you what they are listen is often repeated on here and it is true.

You are useful for sex however he is looking for others and as soon as the one he thinks is the one comes along you will have outlived your purpose.

You have developed feelings so cut your losses before you get any deeper.

WhatsGoingOnEh · 05/04/2018 14:54

You're a commitmentphobe. You don't like the ones who offer stability, only uncertainty.

Was the other person you fell for years ago unavailable too?

BitOutOfPractice · 05/04/2018 14:58

He's only keen on you when you play it cool. He's playing you and you're playing him. It's not right. Walk away before you waste any more of your or his time

sunsetheaven · 05/04/2018 16:07

I would like to be an adult and have a talk with him about all this before making a decision which will likely be to break up. At least I won’t have any regrets. But I don’t even know what to say. ‘I don’t think you’re into me’ is hardly the way to go. Thoughts welcome.

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WhatsGoingOnEh · 05/04/2018 17:52

You haven't seen him for 2 weeks already, and have no plans to see him. He's just not that bothered. Whatever you say, he still won't be that bothered. You can't talk someone into liking you.

lizzie1970a · 06/04/2018 10:47

I actually think saying "you're not into me" is the way to go. You want him to be into you. You're questioning why he isn't. Talking to him will make him think if he wants to keep you he needs to step up a bit. Sorry to say though I don't think he knows what he wants. Do you really want him? It gets worse every post - he's got potential aspergers, he's got low self-esteem and depression. Why are you so desperately trying to make this work? For a man you say has certain qualities (what qualities) and a look about him? He is no catch by the sounds of it. He sounds trouble and will bring you nothing but misery.

It's lasted as long as it has because familiarity has induced some feelings so he hasn't finished it completely. Take the initiative and be the one to end it as you'll be happier than when the inevitable happens and he drags this out for potentially months or years and you're left a woman approaching 40 that's mentally screwed up with is hot and cold.

Have the chat. Tell him what you want and expect and if he's not onboard tell you now so you can get on with life. sorry to be harsh but this has a "no go" sound about it. You need to work out why you're dropping your standards so much on a man that is clearly not worth it.

sunsetheaven · 06/04/2018 10:51

Thanks for your thoughts.

I have tried to end it a few times but he either cries or steps up for a while etc. Told him he needs to be consistent.

Maybe it is time to let go.

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category12 · 06/04/2018 10:57

How many turns on this roundabout are you going to take? The first couple of years should be the honeymoon stage where you're all loved up and on best behaviour. Confused

lizzie1970a · 06/04/2018 10:58

Again it's getting worse - he cries? So you keep going back and he knows he can keep you dangling but showing a bit of emotion or stepping up for a while. He's in control here. You really need to grasp the metal, finish it and stick to you guns - block him, whatever. Nothing has improved so far so why will now be any different? You deserve more. You also must have low self-esteem to be putting up with this. Perhaps some counselling to work out why. The fundamentals need to be there in a relationship, not just the initial attraction. He sounds toxic for you. I think you'll look back and not regret it.

SomeKnobend · 06/04/2018 11:17

It's a terrible "relationship" and you're wasting your time. You agreed to be exclusive and then you caught him asking some woman out?! so he's tried to cheat on you already and when confronted he cried? NO. Hell no! He blows hot and cold, no excitement about seeing each other, he's not bothered to message that frequently, the only thing keeping you together is that he cries when you break it off. He doesn't want a relationship where he's committed to you, he wants to keep you hanging on while he goes around being a bit shit. When you break it off it hurts his self esteem, he's proved with his repeated actions that his feelings don't run deep. Just cut him off and find someone serious.

ISayWhatNow · 06/04/2018 14:33

To an outsider it's very clear that he doesn't want to be in a relationship with you. If a person wants a relationship then they will usually move heaven and earth to make it happen.

In your shoes I would simply walk away.

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 06/04/2018 16:22

This isn’t a sustainable relationship. Time to call it off I’m afraid and move on.

RhubarbTea · 06/04/2018 16:27

I think you can still be sub consciously attracted to someone unavailable before any drama starts up.
This, completely. And I say this as someone who used to be the same as you. A mere sniff of difficult, damaged unavailable people with alcoholic fathers and I'd be right in there. Even before we exchanged a single word. The magical 'just something about them' quality turned out to be... well, all that.
Get some counselling, lovely.

sunsetheaven · 09/04/2018 15:11

Ended it. He agreed. Feel terrible. Just confirmation he never really liked me. Hurts so much.

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Crowd · 09/04/2018 17:14

I'm sorry to read that OP. Take some time to yourself, be good to yourself and dip your toe back into dating when you're ready.

WhaleTasting · 09/04/2018 18:07

I think you have had some unfair posts OP. You don't sound like a drama queen to me. The fact that you tried to make it work with men you weren't in love with just to have a marriage and family says that. Also any woman interested in drama could find it more than twice in her life.

I can also get why you'd try and make it work with this guy who's blown completely hot and cold when at 33 you'd only ever been in love once before. It must have felt worth trying for. Unfortunately just because the chemicals/hormones are there doesn't mean it's right either.

Have you ever wondered if maybe you weren't entirely straight?

As for children, half of marriages end in divorce. Things get messy and you've only got to look thorugh the other threads to see what happens there. Why not consider the options of having a child you want now so that the partner side isn't feeling rushed?

lizzie1970a · 09/04/2018 19:01

Sorry to hear you're upset sunsetheaven. You say you ended it and he agreed - possibly to save face after you decided as in "I don't like you that much either". This is the man that cried when you tried to end it before. He's either a very good actor or a complete fuck-up.

I know you won't feel it for a while but looking back you will see how he could never give you what you need and deserve - an uncomplicated relationship that is full of doing good things for each other, a relationship where you don't have to second guess how someone feels, a relationship that has an equal level of commitment, a relationship where no one says stuff like I don't fancy you as much as other women in my life etc. I know this doesn't feel like it but it's the best outcome.

My fear now is he'll get in contact and you'll talk and he'll "generously" give you another chance - because it will be presented like that. It won't be him chasing you telling you he's made a terrible mistake and he's realised you're the love of his life (not that I'd trust that either going by his past treatment of you). It'll be an apathetic reuniting where the cycle will start all over again - you'll be grateful for a short time, he'll then get the upper hand and do his flaky stuff of not showing you much emotion or concern, you'll then get fed up and present him with an ultimatum, he'll get shirty and you'll break up and you'll feel like shit again.

You need to change the course of this breakup for the cycle to end. Can you book a holiday away? A change of scenery will help. Block him for your own good. You'll get through this. Think of him as some kind of drug you need to go cold turkey on and treat yourself as if you've got flu - rest, take it easy, get some nice food in, buy yourself something as a treat. Remember, after a bit of time and perhaps some work on yourself you're free to meet someone great.

sunsetheaven · 10/04/2018 15:54

I asked him if we were becoming friends, that was the vibe I was getting from him. He said it might be for the best. So I said fine. He wanted to talk in a few days but I said no, and started making arrangements to post his stuff back to him, but he wanted to come pick up. I said no, then he accepted. I messaged him again yesterday to say I had posted his things and that we could be friends (a kind lie) but we need some time. He agreed. Don't think he'll contact me again. Finally come to accept he never really liked me that much.

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sunsetheaven · 10/04/2018 15:55

WhaleTasting Thank you so much. Great advice. I'm straight.

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sunsetheaven · 10/04/2018 15:55

lizzie1970a So many great points, thank you.

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lizzie1970a · 10/04/2018 17:17

It's hard but you'll get through it. You hadn't seen him for a while if I remember rightly so the break was there already. Men like this are so strange - you can't get a handle on them at all, what makes them tick, what they want. Bottom line he's apathetic so not good enough for you.

sunsetheaven · 10/04/2018 17:25

lizzie1970a Thanks. I’m hurting so much my chest is tight. I think I’m actually heartbroken. Fee like such an idiot! Keep wondering if he’ll message etc. Can’t seem to stop. Guess time will heal. Need to be kind to myself and keep busy.

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TatianaLarina · 10/04/2018 17:50

Be kind to yourself and take it easy.

You’ve got plenty of time to find someone to have a family with OP.

I think you need to step back and ask yourself if the reason you allowed yourself to have these feelings for his particular guy is precisely because you intuited he wasn’t 100%. Perhaps paradoxically it felt safer.

You’ve been with guys who were really into you and you weren’t so into them, and then you’re really into the guy who’s not so into you.

crimsonlake · 10/04/2018 18:03

All the time you wasted thinking about this relationship and over analysing it, then discovering it was all for nothing and a waste of time. We have all done it I am sure and it is pointless really. You should have listened to him from the start when he said there was something missing and believed him, it could have saved you a lot of heartache. I think it was probably the fact you wanted him to love you that got you hooked in the first place, we want what we cannot have.

sunsetheaven · 10/04/2018 18:03

I can’t understand why it’s hurting so much. I didn’t know him for long, he wasn’t ever my boyfriend. I fell for him, yes, but he was always unavailable. I miss him so much, he made me feel things I haven’t felt in over a decade. Hopefully it won’t take too long to get over this.

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