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He left because of my anxiety...opinions needed!

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longstockingjayne · 31/01/2018 12:00

Hi Everyone,

So I'm struggling with a recent break up (it’s been nearly 2 weeks) and I need some advice on whether this is all my fault due to having anxiety. I'm really beating myself up, we have a lot of history so I'm going to write it as a timeline as I feel the details of our past are important. Sorry it’s really long!

August 2012 - We started our relationship (him 20, me 23). The relationship was wonderful, fell in love very quickly he was an amazing and loving boyfriend.

May 2013 - He cheated on me drunkenly on a night out (went back to somebody's house and went as far as you can go without having sex). He didn't tell me but I have my suspicions at this point, I ask him the question and he completely denies.

October 2013 - I find an email on his phone to a girl he has been talking to on a video chat site. I confront him, he apologises, says it was a onetime blip. I forgave.

June 2014 - Relationship is good (I still don't know about the cheating in May but my anxiety about it has grown consistently, I think about it pretty much every day but tell myself I’m being stupid. We've had numerous conversations but he completely denies that anything happened). I take it that there's something wrong with me and we move in together, I feel happy.

July 2014 - He goes on a boys holiday and whilst he’s away I find conversations on his laptop from the early days of our relationship where he has been on Skype webcam chatting to girls inappropriately and sending them inappropriate images. When he gets home I confront him and he says he was stupid, he hasn’t done it in ages, it meant nothing and it was a substitute for porn. I forgive.
My anxiety over the cheating incident in May 2013 then heightens ALOT to the point where I feel I need to go to the doctors, he still denies.

October 2014 - One day I come in from work and tell him that I know he's cheated, he confesses to the May 2013 cheating and then a few days later also confesses to kissing 2 girls on holiday and attempting to kiss another.

I'm understandably absolutely devastated, having just moved in together my whole world has come tumbling down. You may think I was silly for moving in with him but at that point I was being told he'd done nothing wrong and believed it was all in my head.

I speak with my family who know him well, they advise me to stay with him due to the May 2013 being so long ago and to not let the meaningless holiday kisses break us. I don't think they quite understand the extend of the lies he told me about the May 2013 cheating (he told me hundreds of times that he hadn't cheated and watched me get very poorly) but they advised that he obviously didn't want to lose the relationship over a meaningless one night thing.
I stay with him for the next year, he was unbelievably remorseful and apologetic and went above and beyond to make it up to me and truly believed he loved me very much. But I found it very hard, I became very untrusting, looking in his Facebook, phone, wanting password etc. We had some lovely moments in this year but always tinged with a bit of sadness.

October 2015 - He left me saying that he couldn't do it anymore. I was devastated. Within a month or so of me pretty much hounding him he deletes me off everything and wants nothing to do with me.

April 2016 – We ended up speaking over text and he mentions that he needs to talk to me. He comes to my house and confesses his love, says he wants me back and he wants our old life back, he’s very emotional. He is seeing somebody from work at this point but its early days.

I say that I'll think about it but that he needs to call it off with the other girl. He doesn't do it straight away and I get quite upset and mad at this which pushes him away again.

April 2016 to July 2016 – In these 4 months he can't decide what he wants (a relationship with me or something new with the girl from work). He goes back and forth between us a few times. Calling it off with her and then coming back to me and so on. This happened 4 times in total.

August 2016 - He finishes work girl for good and we 'see how it goes' for a month. He's reluctant to say that he definitely wants a relationship with me and just wants to see how he feels. Just writing this makes me realise how ridiculous it was for me to go along with it. I should have told him where to go and come back if he decides for sure. He's off and distant with me at times, I never know what he’s thinking and I feel very insecure.

September 2016 - he ends it saying he's not in a position to put his all into the relationship.

April 2017 - We see each other in a local pub and he texts me when home. He wants to make it work again. I said I would meet up with him to talk.

We met up and he was very genuine. Apologised whole heartedly for everything that had gone on (bear in mind we’re a bit older now and more mature) and said he finally knows what he wants and that he’s sorry it took him a while to get there. He said he hadn’t been in a good place the previous time but was happy now, except there was me missing.

I agreed to see how I felt.

Well from then on I was completely woo’d - I got concert tickets bought for me, flowers on my door step, presents, love letters and lots of other thoughtful lovely things. It was lovely and he did everything that it took to make me see that he was genuine and wanted this.

We began a relationship and I was happy. He lied to me quite incessantly about a few things I asked him about the time we were apart (I wanted to know when the last time was he’d slept with someone before we got back together and if he’d slept with a mutual friend of ours that I’d had suspicions of, they were the only things I wanted to know). He lied a lot until he eventually confessed, this didn’t get us off to a good start. My family advised to ignore these silly lies as they’re about stuff when we were single which we shouldn’t have been talking about anyway. He said to me he thought I may not want him if I knew the truth.

Then a few months after this I started to develop what I can only describe as horrendous anxiety. I somehow convinced myself that since we got back together there was something to hurt me/something I didn’t know/something he was lying to me about. I never ever brought up the previous cheating in our first relationship nor did I talk about any of the girls he’d slept with in the break up, it was just an over whelming fear that there was something in this relationship that would hurt me.

I would get so worked up I’d feel sick to my stomach but kept telling myself it was my anxiety and I needed some help with it. I went to the doctors and got some tablets and tried some over the phone counselling which was a bit rubbish.

It got to the point where perhaps 2/3 times a week I was asking him whether there was something to hurt me/something had happened/ had he kisses someone on a night out. I would never be mean/shout or argumentative more very fearful in how I was saying it but I still think it verged on a little abusive the amount of times I was asking. But it was just eating me up inside so I felt I had to speak about it.
He was extremely reassuring at first and very very patient which I appreciated a lot. He swore down on family members lives he hadn’t put a foot out of line, which looking back I firmly believe, but at the time I just could not get it out of my head.

If I had my rationale head on I knew there was nothing to worry me but if I was ‘in one’ it was all consuming.

So much so that he ended it 2 weeks ago (just after I’d been to the doctors and been referred for in person councelling so I was genuinely starting to see the light). I told him anxiety was treatable and asked if he could bare with me until after my treatment. He said he knows I’ll get better but he’s ‘scarred’ by all the questioning and doesn’t want it anymore. To be fair to him he did put up with it for around 5 months and put up with A LOT.

I now feel awful that I pushed him away like that when we finally had a shot at being happy.

I guess I’m just writing on here to get some outside perspective, I lived through all of the above so it’s hard for me to see it clearly. I feel like I ruined a chance to be happy with the person I love after we’d finally grew up and put all of the rubbish behind us.

Looking back I don’t think he’d done anything to hurt me in this relationship nor do I think he would have done anything going forward. But he just doesn’t want the relationship no matter how much I tell him that I just needed some outside help with my underlying issues.

Any opinions welcome and sorry it’s so long! Has anyone been through anything remotely similar?

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Willswife · 31/01/2018 13:43

Sorry but he was not kind and loving. He was a liar and a cheat. he may have acted kind and loving at times, but that's what it was - an act.

He would do anything for you except for be faithful? Fuck that.

You haven't pushed a good guy away, you've escaped from an immature arse.

Br grateful that you're not wasting anymore of your life on him.

longstockingjayne · 31/01/2018 13:45

@Viviennemary I agree, I just blame myself a lot. My constant questioning wasn't about what had gone one when we split up, I asked a few times when the last time was, that's it. My constant concerns were over the new relationship...but I understand what you're saying.

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longstockingjayne · 31/01/2018 13:56

@user33 Hi, thank you so much for the reply. It's so comforting hearing from somebody who has gone/is going through something similar.

I think that's my fear - I don't feel like I'll find somebody who I connect with as much or will have as much time for me/be as attentive and sensitive. I know that will sound ridiculous to some people but I just can't envisage it - I don't want to be with anybody else and the thought of him being with somebody else properly make my stomach tighten up. But I know that's no reason to stay with somebody especially somebody who has effected my mental health as much as he has me.

I agree he's not a bad guy but your post has also made me think...does he actually love me? Do we love each other? Or are we in love with the idea of what we once were?

I really hope you can follow you own advice that you have given me and move onto something better. You will find somebody, you just have to be open to it I guess and also open to the idea of being on your own and happy.

One thing that is different about me this time around is I realise how much I've lost myself in the relationship, I need to fall back in love with me a little.

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paddlingwhenIshouldbeworking · 31/01/2018 14:23

When I was 26 I could have written lots of your post. My relationship was ended by overseas BF because he couldn't handle any more of the long distance and due to our studying it was going to take years before we could be together and because neither of us wanted to leave our countries and were trying to convince the other to move. I was devastated, asked all the same questions, did he ever love me?

Years on I could put the romance aside and was so grateful he didn't carry it on, the relationship wasn't a goer, and it wasn't possible for us both to be happy.

You can't envisage feeling the same way about another man, because you can't envisage someone who haven't met yet! The relationship I have now had for almost 20 years, is completely different so don't go looking for a duplicate!

AmberTopaz · 31/01/2018 14:29

I agree with the others, OP. Maybe he is a nice guy who made (lots of) mistakes. But even if he is, it’s reached a point where it doesn’t really matter any more. The two of you just don’t work as a couple and it’s pointless trying again and again to make it work.

SlowlyShrinking · 31/01/2018 14:39

He’s awful and you can do better. Your family need to stop telling you to accept all his bullshit. No wonder you’re anxious! Your subconscious is telling you that something is very wrong with this “relationship”

StormTreader · 31/01/2018 14:46

He lied and lied and lied, and you broke up, and got together, and broke up, and got together kind of, and..... is it any wonder you were left panicking that things werent as they seemed? Once you get to that point of deep and permanent distrust, theres no way back.

paddlingwhenIshouldbeworking · 31/01/2018 14:47

Thought of ex BF being with someone else tore me apart, I'd wake up in the night after horrible dreams of meeting him with another woman, but 20 years on, feelings for him exist in a purely nostalgic way. He tried recently tried to friend me on FB and even 20 years later I got a little flutter, but by a couple of hours later when I'd got on with my day I couldn't be bothered.

longstockingjayne · 31/01/2018 15:01

Thank you for all your replies - it's honestly made me feel a tonne better and see things outside of my little bubble.

I should have explained a little more about my family, it was my decision to take him back the first time and they fully supported that. After last Summer and this time around they had their concerns and voiced them.

I just always see the good in him and so blame myself. Like this time around he went above and beyond to show his love and commitment, he even went as far as deleting any girls that he'd seen in the break up off all social media and his phone, without me asking at all.

I don't think he was up to anything at all this time around, I guess I was just more damaged than I realised.

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Cath2907 · 31/01/2018 15:12

He is a liar and he treated you badly in the first relationship and started the second one off by lying to you. He was a bad boyfriend. This isn't your fault - except for the fact that you took him back the second time - that was foolish!

StormTreader · 31/01/2018 15:13

I don't think he was up to anything at all this time around

Thats quite a sad place to be in a relationship though when you can say that. Flowers

trevortrevorslattery · 31/01/2018 15:27

He's a liar and a cheat - it's no wonder you're anxious. Be kind to yourself and try and move on without him Flowers

Reluctant2ndtimer · 31/01/2018 15:36

I now feel awful that I pushed him away like that when we finally had a shot at being happy.

OP you poor love, you never had a chance at being happy because this man is a cheating, dishonest, horrible scumbag. Just sack him off completely and get your head straight before dating again. No wonder you’ve been suffering with anxiety after years of his shite.

longstockingjayne · 31/01/2018 16:25

It's like I have two little voices in my head, one saying everything that you guys are saying - and then another one that justifies everything and makes me think I've lost something great.
For instance I've just had a look at another thread on here where people are married, with children and their husbands have full blown affairs - it makes my former boyfriends mistakes seem minuscule and just childish - making me think I should have just shut up about my made up worries and enjoyed it for what it is. Even then though, I was taken over by anxiety, I tried to put it at bay but couldn't.

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Cockmagic · 31/01/2018 16:26

He's got you exactly where he wants you !

QueenAravisOfArchenland · 31/01/2018 16:30

I've just had a look at another thread on here where people are married, with children and their husbands have full blown affairs - it makes my former boyfriends mistakes seem minuscule and just childish

They weren't miniscule and they weren't childish. A married man with kids who blows up his family by cheating creates greater consequences, yes, but he's doing the same basic thing your BF is doing, i.e. being selfish and unfaithful. Your worries weren't irrational or made up.

There will always be men who are worse than your ex but that doesn't mean you should just get over it and be with him. Honestly what stands out about your posts is how low your standards are wrt relationships and men. I think it's worth taking a bit of time out and trying to recalibrate - expecting more for yourself, expecting and demanding a man who is faithful, reliable, mature, a good partner.

longstockingjayne · 31/01/2018 16:30

@Cockmagic I can see that....sadly

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butterfly56 · 31/01/2018 17:43

Being manipulated by someone who on the surface, who projects a really nice image of himself when it suits him, is a nightmare of a life to live.
He is not nice OP. The thin veneer of sensitivity masks a person who really has no respect or love for you at all.
You are young and are already suffering from severe anxiety brought on by this person's behaviour.
Nothing and I mean nothing will change his behaviour towards you.

He gets a weird kick out of the chase and manipulation.
He will always cheat, he will always leave, that is who he is.

You need to get some help in dealing with your very low self esteem and severe anxiety.
It will only work if you cut contact altogether with him

longstockingjayne · 31/01/2018 19:58

Thank you all so much for your reassuring words and advice. A lot of posts have mentioned my low self esteem, being emotionally dependant on him and my low standards I’ve set myself. And you’re so right. I’m only really realising this time around that I’ve relied on him to feel valued and happy and I’ve no idea why. For the first time in years I need to get to know and love me (sorry a little cheesy).
I also need to realise that there is someone out there who will be faithful...again something I’d also convinced myself was non existent.
This thread is now my go to during the initial no contact stage when I’m having a bad day and feel the urge to text. I can do this 🙌🏻 Thank you so much! Xx

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Joysmum · 31/01/2018 21:23

another one that justifies everything and makes me think I've lost something great

If he’s been so great, I’m sure you could go through each point you’ve written about him and be completely happy and comfortable in doing what’s he’s done.

Of course you’d NEVER dream of treating anyone like even one of the paragraphs you’ve written, let along all of them.

He’s a complete shit who hasn’t treated with love and respect and he’s responsible for your anxiety. Angry

longstockingjayne · 31/01/2018 21:36

@Joysmum reading it through does make me realise the extent of it all! A previous poster said I was blinded by the bits of good and they're totally right. Time to move on, finally!

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butterfly56 · 01/02/2018 00:02

You're so right OP about getting to know the real you and loving yourself... nothing cheesy in that at all.
Writing therapy is good...get everything out of your head and down on paper.
I think when you suffer with anxiety sometimes writing is better initially than actually talking to someone face to face.
Always put yourself and your needs first and go with your gut instinct...
it's more switched on in people who have suffered in bad relationships.
Trust your instincts as more often than not they will be right.

You are a strong young woman and you can do a lot with your life and you don't need any man to ruin for you.
Once you start getting your confidence back and you feel a shift in your way of thinking about yourself you will start to feel a lot better.

These next few months are going to be tough but just take it one day or one hour at a time.
Make a list of all the things you would like to do...practical stuff to keep you busy.
Meet up with family or friends and tell them you need some sort of support from them to get out and about.
Plan to treat yourself to something special...going for a nice coffee or think about having a well deserved holiday in say 9 or 12months.

Things will change for the better OP Flowers

DrunkUnicorn · 01/02/2018 06:28

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longstockingjayne · 01/02/2018 12:44

@butterfly56 Thanks for the amazing advice, I have started writing everything in a journal and it really does help at the end of a bad day so I'm going to keep that up. Definitely, I'm trying to see it as maybe it was my bodies way of telling me that it wasn't right for me. My gut has been right a lot in the past so I need to trust it more.
The list of things is a great idea, keeping busy is going to be key.

@DrunkUnicorn I know the 'scarred' comment really upset me at the time as I just felt this huge amount of guilt that I'd done that to someone....but now I'm thinking, really!?

My family are very supportive, they've always just taken the route of they'll support my decisions and want me to be happy. They're obviously now telling me that this is for the best and I will look back and thank him.

Thanks so much for your kind message, made me smile when I read it this morning!

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longstockingjayne · 02/02/2018 16:13

Caved on the NC and now feeling like an idiot! Argh!

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