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To ask why you got divorced if it wasn’t something major like abuse/cheating etc?

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FizzyCherry · 23/01/2018 05:34

In an unusual situation. Not particularly happy in marriage, but wondering if ending it is going to help.
The unusual bit is a friend from work has just filed for divorce from her husband and has told me the reasons why. They sound pretty similar to the reasons I’m considering the same, but also trivial (obviously they’re not trivial to her).
But by the same token, my aunt and uncle got divorced over lots of niggly, trivial things 25 years ago. She’s regretted it ever since, never remarried, he’s since remarried then been widowed, long story short, they’re now back together and engaged but also sad they “wasted” half their adult lives together because of little things.
So, I’m wondering whether I need a clean break or to accept my lot isn’t so bad.

I fully understand that many people get divorced over irreconcilable things like affairs, abuse etc, I have none of that, but does that mean I shouldn’t do it?

For context, we’ve been together 20years, married 15, both early 40s, 2 DC, one primary age, one preschool. He works full time shifts, I work part time, toddler is at home when I am, nursery when I’m at work.

In a nutshell, my main issues are:
He’s properly lazy when not at work -but works shifts so permanently tired. Does nothing round the house at all, even on days off, unless it gets to the stage where I am screaming at him to at least take his coffee cup out to the dishwasher. He has days off in the week which coincide with kids being at school etc, but does literally nothing with it except watch telly.
I wouldn’t mind so much if I was competing with a hobby, say, but he does nothing. DIY, cleaning, general day to day adulting is all down to me.
Last week we went to an out of town shopping centre. He wanted to drive from one shop to the one at the other end to “save walking”. He’s that lazy. Told him to fuck off, he then complained about the distance like a toddler. Incidentally, my toddler didn’t complain at all. We were only visiting those two shops, it wasn’t a random wander round all the shops kind of trip. It was 3 minutes, tops.

He doesn’t really do much with the kids, again it’s under protest if he does.
If he has a rare day with them, say they have an inset day or something, they all sit on screens or they play while he “potters about” doing nothing significant.
I take them to after school clubs, swimming, birthday parties, appointments etc, it works with my hours, but I know if he has to do it it’s like asking him to climb a mountain so not worth the effort.
He’s never once taken them both out together, or even separately, unless to his mum’s, where they watch telly while he does jobs for her like cuts her grass or changes lightbulbs. He mostly goes there on his own because the kids get bored. But he takes them nowhere “fun”.
His mum lives five minutes from a farm place we have membership to, if I go to her, we generally pop in on the way there or back to feed the animals or go in the playground. He drives straight past every time.
He makes such a fuss about putting them to bed “because he’s been at work all day” that the preschooler now kicks off if he says he will do it “to help me out” so I do it for peace and quiet.
He can be persuaded to read the odd bedtime story but makes it his mission to be done as quick as possible. He once spread the Gruffalo over two nights FFS.

He’s unhealthy, smokes (not in the house but in front of the kids), refuses to give up because it’s “his choice”, he eats shit all day, wouldn’t know exercise if it smashed him in the face, is massively overweight and snores like his life depends on it. His dad died quite young with a similar lifestyle (although he was much fitter and ate much better), but he doesn’t see why that’s relevant.
His snoring keeps me awake, which is why I’m writing this at a ungodly hour. The only time I get a full night’s sleep is when he’s on nights.
He refuses to see the doctor because “he nags him about losing weight” and doesn’t just wave a magic wand to make everything bad go away.

He’s selfish in that, for example, last week, I had a really heavy cold and asked if we had any cold and flu stuff.
He said no, he had taken it to work, just in case. I asked would he mind going to get me some more at some point, walking to the shop at the end of our road, he said no, it was raining. If I wanted to I could go and he would “watch the kids”. He went eventually but only after I pointed out he was being an utter wanker.
In a restaurant recently, they asked if everything was OK, he said “fine”.it was me who had to say “DDs dinner hasn’t arrived.” He said “Well, I was fine, why would I say otherwise?”

But the thing that’s made me think seriously about it all is the fact that our sex life is non existent, he’s no longer attractive and I can’t be arsed frankly. For Christmas, he “bought” me a promise to take me to a spa. But it’s some naturist spa place that he mentioned months ago and I said didn’t appeal to me. I told him not to bother, I won’t be going.
He hasn’t booked it, he didn’t even do that thing where you make up a voucher online, he just casually mentioned it on Christmas morning.

See, written down, he sounds like an utter arse, but it doesn’t seem reasonable to put the kids through a divorce plus the financial insecurity etc it will bring just because he’s really irritating.
We have repeatedly discussed all these faults, BTW, he might take them on board for a day or two but nothing really changes.

Really not sure whether to go ahead, or risk it not being the answer to all my problems, and then I can add feeling guilty to all my other issues.

WWYD?

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 23/01/2018 15:01

I don't think any of those are 'minor' issues to be honest. I would have given ages ago, but if you're still undecided, tell him you are seriously considering divorce and he is in the last chance saloon.

Tell him to get himself to the GP to talk depression/sleep apnea and smoking cessation. Ask him to make some kind of effort with the extra weight/personal appearance and draw him a rota for housework. No you shouldn't have to, but doubt you'll get him to help if you don't spell out what needs doing. And he sounds like such a lazy dad.

If he won't seek help for himself or offer you any help, boot him out. Seriously. Don't you go anywhere, keep the kids in their home, he finds somewhere else to live.

Urgh. He sounds like a walking bloody cliche.

pallisers · 23/01/2018 15:09

Another one who doesn't think any of this is minor or trivial.

I wouldn't last with him a week. What was he like before you married him? I couldn't live like that - would be nicer on your own.

PeppermintPasty · 23/01/2018 16:19

I'm not sure why some people are suggesting ways to fix this. Your paragraph about his selfishness is all you need. He doesn't respect you or give a shit about his children. Who says "I was fine, why would I say otherwise" when their child hasn't got their food? I mean WTF?

Added to the other garbage you have listed about him, well, I can't see the point of him.

Sounds like you have normalised this to the point where you think it's trivial. It ain't.

As for uprooting/unsettling the dc, better that they live in a household where one parent is happy than being exposed to this horrible shit all the time.

If it were me I'd be off to see a solicitor to get my ducks in a row.

BackInTheRoom · 28/01/2018 14:20

I'm thinking:

DP has disengaged with life/family? Disillusioned possibly MLC?

Shift patterns are affecting him?

He might have an undiagnosed condition etc ie Hypothyroidism?

Question: Why did it take you so long to have kids?

grounddown · 28/01/2018 14:39

My ex was the same. He did nothing with the kids, no night feeds, no nappy changes nothing. He wouldnt help with the housework and slept in the spare room so we wouldn't wake him up as he had work the next day - so did I and I had 2 baby DC who I was up with all night then had to dress and sort out in the morning and leave earlier than him!!!! I look back now and see how ridiculous that sounds.

I really resented him in the end and rented a house around the corner so he could still see DC every day. Guess what, I had to literally beg him to come and see them on a saturday afternoon when we lived 400 yards away.

He's much better now and will have them for 24 hours so I get a break which is more than I ever got when I was with him. I am free of resentment and feel 100 stone lighter for it.

FunnyThat · 28/01/2018 14:52

I’ve been considering divorce for a couple years.
We love each other very much. We’re a great team. We parent well together. We share all the trudge. We share everything. We’re still attracted to each other. Everyone thinks we have it all – time, financial security, health - the perfect family.

But…….

We want very different things from life. Our own relationship has been side-lined as a result of everything centring on the children’s happiness. We have grown apart as a couple. I see no desire from my wife to invest in our relationship. She had the perfect upbringing as a child and, because her parents did nothing together/for themselves, thinks it’s totally normal for a couple to do the same.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t work for me. I’m in my early 40’s and I’m not prepared to waste the rest of my life hoping that possibly, one day, we may get our relationship back. We have discussed it more times than I can remember, but I got to a point where I simply don’t believe she wants the same.

What upsets me the most? Obviously the impact on the children, but also knowing we will both find someone else when we split up, because suddenly we will each have half the week to ourselves to focus on a relationship.

How ironic

Cheekylittlenumber · 28/01/2018 14:59

The laziness is one thing, but the selfishness (shown in restaurant) shows lack of care or interest in his child. Deal breaker for me. Staying together just to be a two parent house hold will be detrimental to your children by the sounds of it. If my DH was brought up by his dad (arsehole) and not by his lovely step dad I'm sure he wouldn't be the wonderful man and father he is today. Think of what kind of future you and the kids could have without him weighing you down!

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