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To ask why you got divorced if it wasn’t something major like abuse/cheating etc?

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FizzyCherry · 23/01/2018 05:34

In an unusual situation. Not particularly happy in marriage, but wondering if ending it is going to help.
The unusual bit is a friend from work has just filed for divorce from her husband and has told me the reasons why. They sound pretty similar to the reasons I’m considering the same, but also trivial (obviously they’re not trivial to her).
But by the same token, my aunt and uncle got divorced over lots of niggly, trivial things 25 years ago. She’s regretted it ever since, never remarried, he’s since remarried then been widowed, long story short, they’re now back together and engaged but also sad they “wasted” half their adult lives together because of little things.
So, I’m wondering whether I need a clean break or to accept my lot isn’t so bad.

I fully understand that many people get divorced over irreconcilable things like affairs, abuse etc, I have none of that, but does that mean I shouldn’t do it?

For context, we’ve been together 20years, married 15, both early 40s, 2 DC, one primary age, one preschool. He works full time shifts, I work part time, toddler is at home when I am, nursery when I’m at work.

In a nutshell, my main issues are:
He’s properly lazy when not at work -but works shifts so permanently tired. Does nothing round the house at all, even on days off, unless it gets to the stage where I am screaming at him to at least take his coffee cup out to the dishwasher. He has days off in the week which coincide with kids being at school etc, but does literally nothing with it except watch telly.
I wouldn’t mind so much if I was competing with a hobby, say, but he does nothing. DIY, cleaning, general day to day adulting is all down to me.
Last week we went to an out of town shopping centre. He wanted to drive from one shop to the one at the other end to “save walking”. He’s that lazy. Told him to fuck off, he then complained about the distance like a toddler. Incidentally, my toddler didn’t complain at all. We were only visiting those two shops, it wasn’t a random wander round all the shops kind of trip. It was 3 minutes, tops.

He doesn’t really do much with the kids, again it’s under protest if he does.
If he has a rare day with them, say they have an inset day or something, they all sit on screens or they play while he “potters about” doing nothing significant.
I take them to after school clubs, swimming, birthday parties, appointments etc, it works with my hours, but I know if he has to do it it’s like asking him to climb a mountain so not worth the effort.
He’s never once taken them both out together, or even separately, unless to his mum’s, where they watch telly while he does jobs for her like cuts her grass or changes lightbulbs. He mostly goes there on his own because the kids get bored. But he takes them nowhere “fun”.
His mum lives five minutes from a farm place we have membership to, if I go to her, we generally pop in on the way there or back to feed the animals or go in the playground. He drives straight past every time.
He makes such a fuss about putting them to bed “because he’s been at work all day” that the preschooler now kicks off if he says he will do it “to help me out” so I do it for peace and quiet.
He can be persuaded to read the odd bedtime story but makes it his mission to be done as quick as possible. He once spread the Gruffalo over two nights FFS.

He’s unhealthy, smokes (not in the house but in front of the kids), refuses to give up because it’s “his choice”, he eats shit all day, wouldn’t know exercise if it smashed him in the face, is massively overweight and snores like his life depends on it. His dad died quite young with a similar lifestyle (although he was much fitter and ate much better), but he doesn’t see why that’s relevant.
His snoring keeps me awake, which is why I’m writing this at a ungodly hour. The only time I get a full night’s sleep is when he’s on nights.
He refuses to see the doctor because “he nags him about losing weight” and doesn’t just wave a magic wand to make everything bad go away.

He’s selfish in that, for example, last week, I had a really heavy cold and asked if we had any cold and flu stuff.
He said no, he had taken it to work, just in case. I asked would he mind going to get me some more at some point, walking to the shop at the end of our road, he said no, it was raining. If I wanted to I could go and he would “watch the kids”. He went eventually but only after I pointed out he was being an utter wanker.
In a restaurant recently, they asked if everything was OK, he said “fine”.it was me who had to say “DDs dinner hasn’t arrived.” He said “Well, I was fine, why would I say otherwise?”

But the thing that’s made me think seriously about it all is the fact that our sex life is non existent, he’s no longer attractive and I can’t be arsed frankly. For Christmas, he “bought” me a promise to take me to a spa. But it’s some naturist spa place that he mentioned months ago and I said didn’t appeal to me. I told him not to bother, I won’t be going.
He hasn’t booked it, he didn’t even do that thing where you make up a voucher online, he just casually mentioned it on Christmas morning.

See, written down, he sounds like an utter arse, but it doesn’t seem reasonable to put the kids through a divorce plus the financial insecurity etc it will bring just because he’s really irritating.
We have repeatedly discussed all these faults, BTW, he might take them on board for a day or two but nothing really changes.

Really not sure whether to go ahead, or risk it not being the answer to all my problems, and then I can add feeling guilty to all my other issues.

WWYD?

OP posts:
Pluckedpencil · 23/01/2018 07:34

My two penneth's worth is that these things get magnified with a toddler. Could it be he was always like this but the small bubbly person really brings it into relief? It doesn't change much though! I can't believe a six week separation didn't kick him up the bum. That's because you left him in the house. Switch that round.

AccrualIntentions · 23/01/2018 07:37

Has he changed or was he always like this? I can't comprehend having children with someone like that in the first place. If there's no obvious cause for his behaviour at the moment then he seems unlikely to change in the future. Some of the things you've described are more than niggly imo.

TheDowagerCuntess · 23/01/2018 07:39

Wow.

I divorced my first husband for way less than that.

MrsPworkingmummy · 23/01/2018 07:42

Wow, he sounds hideous OP. Get out while you can I'd say. Absolutely intolerable in my opinion. Good luck x

whoareyoukidding · 23/01/2018 07:50

He sounds completely selfish and uncaring. I suspect that you and the kids would be surprisingly happy without him.

FluffyWuffy100 · 23/01/2018 07:51

I don't think that is minor.

You are living with a lazy, fat, snoring, unhealthy smoker who does fuck all with his kids, or wife or around the house.

At least if you divorce you'll have less mess to clear up and get a break every other weekend.

Luckydip1 · 23/01/2018 07:53

If you are in a miserable marriage the misery permeates every aspect of your life and negatively impacts all the family members around you especially your children; that is why it is right to get divorced regardless of the financial cost.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 23/01/2018 07:57

I wouldn't call that "trivial", it sounds dire.
I can't see any reason to stay with him.

Gazelda · 23/01/2018 08:04

You sound miserable. And from what you say, I don't think he has any inclination to change his ways and try to make your marriage a happy one.
Have you tried couples counselling?
I think you have Very good reasons for divorce.

IsabelleHarvey · 23/01/2018 08:05

I agree with PPs this sounds miserable, he sounds a lot like my ex (although he was atleast engaging with the DCs), your life will be a lot happier with him removed, your children will benefit from a happier mother and won't model their future relationships on yours. A huge part of my decision to leave was that I didn't want my son to end up anything like his father, or to treat a future wife/partner like that and one day I think he will truly understand why we all deserved better.

loudtraffic · 23/01/2018 08:05

I can understand not wanting it in relationships, as I do think there can be a mantra there to leave, and the only other advice is women’s aid.

With that being said, this sounds awful.

I generally advocate trying to stay together if possible, but I’m not sure this is good. I don’t think you should be telling him to fuck off in front of the kids though.

PoorYorick · 23/01/2018 08:09

None of it sounds trivial. I'd be miserable. He does sound depressed, so if he was a different person at one point (e.g., before the shift work - I hear that can be so draining) then I'd try to see how we could work together on it. But ultimately his mental and physical health is (are?) his responsibility. You can help, but ultimately he has to do the work on himself. If he won't, you're under no obligation to live like this forever.

WhatWouldOliviaPopeDo · 23/01/2018 08:10

I wouldn't want to stay married for the rest of my life to someone who needs to be treated like a child. How exhausting for you. A relationship should be a partnership, with both sides pitching, because that's what you do when you love someone. It sounds like your husband does the total opposite and doesn't care a jot about you or your feelings. I don't think anything you've listed is trivial.

On a side note, two nights to read The Gruffalo??? How slow did he read?!

ravenmum · 23/01/2018 08:11

The story about him saying he was fine at the restaurant resonates with me. My ex did that sort of thing. At the time I thought I was being unreasonable complaining about it, as he didn't mean it; how could I complain about something just slipping his mind? I spent years stifling my annoyance; didn't divorce until he had an affair. Looking back, he was demonstrating that he wasn't thinking about me and the kids, just himself; the same mindset that led him to have an affair. I wasn't being unreasonable. In the light of the affair, especially, I'm sorry that I put up with that crap for so long.

TheSnowFairy · 23/01/2018 08:13

When my (very overweight DH) turned 40, I frankly didn't care so bought him some PT sessions.

I cannot tell you the difference it has made. He lost 7 st over 3 years, has still kept the weight off, has so much more energy and is so much more attractive to me. His sleep apnoea has gone so he doesn't wake me at night.

Would you / your DH be interested in that?

AgathaF · 23/01/2018 08:19

This is not trivial stuff. You have a husband isn't interested in your family or you, doesn't want to take care of himself either. Doesn't involve himself in day to day living as a family. You're not attracted to him. Are there any positives to staying together?

Alittleconcerned1980 · 23/01/2018 08:21

I divorced for far less than that
These reasons don’t sound trivial to me at all
No regrets at all here

Alittleconcerned1980 · 23/01/2018 08:22

Check out gransnet for stories of people who have stuck in crappy marriages for forty years

walkingdowntheboulevard · 23/01/2018 08:22

I didn't love him.
I was unhappy because of that, I became depressed, and was living a lie. Despite knowing the damage it would cause to my children I asked for a divorce. That was after trying for years to make it work though.

I am now happily remarried, the road hasn't been an easy one with blended family but my soulmate and I are stronger than ever.

jellycat1 · 23/01/2018 08:23

If you think about life without him how does it make you feel? My DH has similar traits to the ones you describe in the washing up and childcare department but does lots of other great things which more than make up for it - and as the kids get older he's getting much more involved. The thought of being apart makes me very sad. If it didn't I'd assume there was nothing left and I wouldn't stay in an unhappy marriage 'for the sake of the kids' because they're rarely happy in those scenarios from what I've seen.

Fairylea · 23/01/2018 08:31

I couldn’t stay with someone like that. I think your core values are all out of whack. There’s no mutual love or respect and you don’t have the same life goals. I would have to leave.

I have left two long term relationships, one a marriage. Both similar circumstances to your own. I got to the point where I hated them so much I couldn’t even stand to be next to them in bed and hear them breathe! I think when you get to that point there’s no turning back.

I am now happily remarried and don’t regret leaving at all. When I left my first dh (who is my eldests Dad- she is now a teen) his parents were horrified. They have been married for nearly 40 years and as there wasn’t any abuse or cheating etc they just couldn’t understand how I could break their sons heart and leave. But it was so complicated- we just didn’t have anything in common, we met when we were very young and as we got older I wanted the whole family thing, and he wanted more of a woman at home / him down the pub set up and it just wasn’t for me. I realised we didn’t agree on any ethical issues or politics or a thing really, we spent so much time disagreeing with each other! Life is too short to be so miserable.

Nanna50 · 23/01/2018 08:33

He’s unhealthy, smokes (not in the house but in front of the kids), refuses to give up because it’s “his choice”, he eats shit all day, wouldn’t know exercise if it smashed him in the face, is massively overweight and snores like his life depends on it. His dad died quite young with a similar lifestyle (although he was much fitter and ate much better), but he doesn’t see why that’s relevant. His snoring keeps me awake, which is why I’m writing this at a ungodly hour. The only time I get a full night’s sleep is when he’s on nights. He refuses to see the doctor because “he nags him about losing weight” and doesn’t just wave a magic wand to make everything bad go away

All of the above plus working shifts is probably why he cant be arsed or has no interest in anything. He may well have sleep apnoea, he could have diabetes, Vit D deficiency etc but if he wont take some responsibility and go to the GP he's going to get worse.

Right now you feel irritated but it will soon turn to resentment. I think you need to be direct with him about his health and how it is affecting you, the children and your marriage. Yes the GP will tell him to lose weight, stop smoking and do some exercise but can offer help to do all three. The GP can also test and treat any underlying medical issues which in turn may help your DH tackle the other things in his life.

We'd all like a magic wand but change is difficult. Maybe make it clear that he has to make big changes if he wants you to stay and if he steps up you will try to support him in those changes?

expatinscotland · 23/01/2018 08:35

None of what you've written is trivial.

rabbitrabbit12 · 23/01/2018 08:35

My exh was like this. I got fed up with doing everything whilst holding down a FT job with 2 kids, one child which was particularly difficult. He couldn't be bothered with us as a family. We couldn't even talk to each other god knows how we lasted 15 yrs. tried to tell him on numerous occasions but it was brushed under the carpet.
He's got himself a younger model now and a baby due, I can't help thinking that was me years ago. That makes me sad.
But I want more to life than washing and ironing for him and making sure his dinners on the table.
I'm fairly happy now with a new partner but feel disappointed in how life has turned out sometimes.

Mix56 · 23/01/2018 08:43

If you divorced ? Would you look at him & think I love that man & have regrets ?...
Why ? he is refusing to acknowledge any of the "problems", so they will not be be fixed. That said, if he finds himself alone he might make an effort
Get to the CAB & find out all the financial info required. Leave