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To ask why you got divorced if it wasn’t something major like abuse/cheating etc?

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FizzyCherry · 23/01/2018 05:34

In an unusual situation. Not particularly happy in marriage, but wondering if ending it is going to help.
The unusual bit is a friend from work has just filed for divorce from her husband and has told me the reasons why. They sound pretty similar to the reasons I’m considering the same, but also trivial (obviously they’re not trivial to her).
But by the same token, my aunt and uncle got divorced over lots of niggly, trivial things 25 years ago. She’s regretted it ever since, never remarried, he’s since remarried then been widowed, long story short, they’re now back together and engaged but also sad they “wasted” half their adult lives together because of little things.
So, I’m wondering whether I need a clean break or to accept my lot isn’t so bad.

I fully understand that many people get divorced over irreconcilable things like affairs, abuse etc, I have none of that, but does that mean I shouldn’t do it?

For context, we’ve been together 20years, married 15, both early 40s, 2 DC, one primary age, one preschool. He works full time shifts, I work part time, toddler is at home when I am, nursery when I’m at work.

In a nutshell, my main issues are:
He’s properly lazy when not at work -but works shifts so permanently tired. Does nothing round the house at all, even on days off, unless it gets to the stage where I am screaming at him to at least take his coffee cup out to the dishwasher. He has days off in the week which coincide with kids being at school etc, but does literally nothing with it except watch telly.
I wouldn’t mind so much if I was competing with a hobby, say, but he does nothing. DIY, cleaning, general day to day adulting is all down to me.
Last week we went to an out of town shopping centre. He wanted to drive from one shop to the one at the other end to “save walking”. He’s that lazy. Told him to fuck off, he then complained about the distance like a toddler. Incidentally, my toddler didn’t complain at all. We were only visiting those two shops, it wasn’t a random wander round all the shops kind of trip. It was 3 minutes, tops.

He doesn’t really do much with the kids, again it’s under protest if he does.
If he has a rare day with them, say they have an inset day or something, they all sit on screens or they play while he “potters about” doing nothing significant.
I take them to after school clubs, swimming, birthday parties, appointments etc, it works with my hours, but I know if he has to do it it’s like asking him to climb a mountain so not worth the effort.
He’s never once taken them both out together, or even separately, unless to his mum’s, where they watch telly while he does jobs for her like cuts her grass or changes lightbulbs. He mostly goes there on his own because the kids get bored. But he takes them nowhere “fun”.
His mum lives five minutes from a farm place we have membership to, if I go to her, we generally pop in on the way there or back to feed the animals or go in the playground. He drives straight past every time.
He makes such a fuss about putting them to bed “because he’s been at work all day” that the preschooler now kicks off if he says he will do it “to help me out” so I do it for peace and quiet.
He can be persuaded to read the odd bedtime story but makes it his mission to be done as quick as possible. He once spread the Gruffalo over two nights FFS.

He’s unhealthy, smokes (not in the house but in front of the kids), refuses to give up because it’s “his choice”, he eats shit all day, wouldn’t know exercise if it smashed him in the face, is massively overweight and snores like his life depends on it. His dad died quite young with a similar lifestyle (although he was much fitter and ate much better), but he doesn’t see why that’s relevant.
His snoring keeps me awake, which is why I’m writing this at a ungodly hour. The only time I get a full night’s sleep is when he’s on nights.
He refuses to see the doctor because “he nags him about losing weight” and doesn’t just wave a magic wand to make everything bad go away.

He’s selfish in that, for example, last week, I had a really heavy cold and asked if we had any cold and flu stuff.
He said no, he had taken it to work, just in case. I asked would he mind going to get me some more at some point, walking to the shop at the end of our road, he said no, it was raining. If I wanted to I could go and he would “watch the kids”. He went eventually but only after I pointed out he was being an utter wanker.
In a restaurant recently, they asked if everything was OK, he said “fine”.it was me who had to say “DDs dinner hasn’t arrived.” He said “Well, I was fine, why would I say otherwise?”

But the thing that’s made me think seriously about it all is the fact that our sex life is non existent, he’s no longer attractive and I can’t be arsed frankly. For Christmas, he “bought” me a promise to take me to a spa. But it’s some naturist spa place that he mentioned months ago and I said didn’t appeal to me. I told him not to bother, I won’t be going.
He hasn’t booked it, he didn’t even do that thing where you make up a voucher online, he just casually mentioned it on Christmas morning.

See, written down, he sounds like an utter arse, but it doesn’t seem reasonable to put the kids through a divorce plus the financial insecurity etc it will bring just because he’s really irritating.
We have repeatedly discussed all these faults, BTW, he might take them on board for a day or two but nothing really changes.

Really not sure whether to go ahead, or risk it not being the answer to all my problems, and then I can add feeling guilty to all my other issues.

WWYD?

OP posts:
missyB1 · 23/01/2018 08:51

This is no life for you, and hes a bad role model for the kids. I think there are very good reasons for divorcing him, mainly in that he is aware of what he's doing but is unwilling to change. That to me says he doesn't care about your marriage.

isthismylifenow · 23/01/2018 08:51

I'm fairly happy now with a new partner but feel disappointed in how life has turned out sometimes

If there was that magic wand, none of us would feel this way. I do, and I am sure most separated partners do feel this way at some point. I know I did (still do sometimes, but I am working on it). I definitely felt that I could have done so much more in my life if I had chosen a different path. I married my first boyfriend, and I know a part of me feels that I missed out on all the normal teenage stuff, break ups (I think that is why I took my marriage breakdown so hard), being with other people. The only married life I know is 20 years of how it was for me, slept with one man my whole life, and so I don't know any different from that. Hindsight though, I can see now that I got married as I didn't know any different. I know now I never truly loved stbx, not like a wife should love the person she chose to marry. There was no sparks flying, no butterflies in the stomach, just habit. Rabbit I know I am going off thread a bit, but you don't have to settle for fairly happy. Just as much as OP doesn't have to for the rest of her life either. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all type out 'I am really happy now'. We all have that right. I am on my way there. It doesn't involve anyone else on my journey, except myself (and of course my dc).

octonaught · 23/01/2018 08:52

I'm not excusing him at all, but he does sound overtired.
If this issue could be addressed, maybe he would have more energy to help you out and eat less shit and then exercise. Don't throw the towel in yet.

Shift work & snoring are a sign of sleep apnoea.

I contacted these people and got a CPAP machine. You can trial them for a week for £100. I paid for mine. Otherwise, he can go on the nhs list for a sleep clinic.

Divorce is shit and just try every other avenue. (I didn't have a choice as ExH had an affair and had other issues.)

GetOffTheTableMabel · 23/01/2018 08:53

I’m so sorry op. I am not a LTB kind of person but really, if he will not commit to health changes and some relationship counselling then LTB.
He is a total PASSENGER in the family.
In any given single day, what does he actually do to contribute to family life? Ask him. Ask him what he thinks he brings to family life (aside from salary, that doesn’t count because it is not something particular/personal to HIM). What does he do that would leave you (or your children) broken-hearted if he suddenly wasn’t there? You are shouldering all the burden of being the adult in the household. Your children expressed unhappiness that they didn’t have their own home and comforts but, if your husband moved out of your house, would your own life be better? I’m afraid I think it would.
I left a lazy fiancé after 4 years (but no dc) of this type of shit. It was a bloody relief.

mamamalt · 23/01/2018 08:59

I have to say I honestly think that staying together miserably does as much damage as a divorce might. He doesn’t sound like someone the children actually like being around so why would you drag it out?!
You and your children deserve better.

Good luck

PeppaPigTastesLikeBacon · 23/01/2018 09:03

They are not really niggly little things though are they OP. You are basically single anyway as you have to do everything.

I don’t think that you need to put up ‘just because it’s not cheating or abuse’. This can massively affect your mental health.

You’re still young and you deserve to at least feel like you and your partner/husband are part of a team

czechitout · 23/01/2018 09:07

Have you considered couple councelling? Might be worth before you burn the bridges.
From what you've written he does not come out as a nice guy. But that might be that you concentrated on the bad stuff, on reasons why to divorce.
There still might be reasons why you love(d) him, married him, had kids with him and why you'd like to stay with him.
To me it seems something is troubling him but he does not speak about it. And he's only nasty to all around him (including himself) because of it.
My husband and I had some troubles between us and visited a conucelor. She made us both speak our mind and made sure the other side hears. Also in front of her we hold on some impulsive reactions (swearing, shouting etc :-) and it helped to speak and to listen.
Good luck.

isthismylifenow · 23/01/2018 09:12

If this issue could be addressed, maybe he would have more energy to help you out and eat less shit and then exercise. Don't throw the towel in yet

Octo, it seems like OP has already addressed these issues. I wonder sometimes how many times and how much effort should one partner make, to get the other to seek help for something, which in this case, is MrFizzy. Yes, sometimes we get in a rut, but after Fizzy left for 6 weeks, it doesn't appear anything has changed. I think 6 weeks is a good trial separation period for any couple. I am most definitely not quick to say LTB (ok I did in my case, so I know what it involves, it is shit, you are 100 correct) but at what point does OP need to say enough is enough. MrFizzy might be overtired, not sleeping well etc, but so is Fizzy because of what could quite possibly be a condition he has. But he isn't understanding that it affects everyone around him. So that in my mind, does make him very selfish as he isn't willing to change anything, or even go to see a health professional. In my mind, there is only so much pushing you can do for another person, until it becomes detrimental for yourself.

Just my opinion, I do agree with trying to save marriages wherever possible though.

Tofftwitty · 23/01/2018 09:12

Dear lord, I divorced mine for a fraction of that.
He sounds utterly repulsive.

As my solicitor said - you're a long time looking at the lid.

Get out and live again.

MinnieMousse · 23/01/2018 09:17

How much of a serious conversation have you had with him about how you feel? If you've laid it on the line, tried counselling maybe and nothing has changed then I think you are perfectly reasonable to want a divorce. I would give him a chance to try and rectify things first though.

BitchQueen90 · 23/01/2018 09:21

I got divorced because my exh had some old fashioned ideas about "wife work" that didn't become apparent until after I left work to be a SAHM. Couldn't afford counselling and to be honest I wouldn't have gone down that route anyway because I don't need a stranger advising me how to live my life.

He wasn't a horrible man. No abuse, no cheating. He was just lazy around the house and uninterested in family life. Going to the pub after work every day then coming home and playing on the xbox while I did all the cooking, bath and bedtime routine with DS.

I am now the RP. Exh has a new partner who is much better suited to him than I - she has no DC of her own and doesn't want any. They happily have DS for overnights a few times a month and he loves going there but I don't think either of them could cope with him full time.

I have never once regretted getting divorced. Ideally I would have liked DS to have a 2 parent household but this way his dad actually does things with him on the days he has him and is much more involved which is better than living with an emotionally absent parent IMO.

I am very happily single after realising I enjoy it much more than being in a relationship.

VileyRose · 23/01/2018 09:22

I don't even feel like people need a solid reason. Falling out of love is absolutely real and valid.

TrinitySquirrel · 23/01/2018 09:28

Dont you move out. Throw him out. He is a cocklodging arsehole.

FizzyCherry · 23/01/2018 09:41

Thanks for all the responses. He wasn’t always like this, it’s got gradually worse and I think definitely since DC2 arrived and his dad died (this was roughly six months apart) although he’s always been quite lazy and unhealthy, not this bad.

I have suggested he’s depressed and not dealing with things but he absolutely refuses to accept that that’s the case, so what else can I do?

OP posts:
underneaththeash · 23/01/2018 09:43

If he did change so lost weight (which would probably improve the lethargy and snoring), gave up smoking and helped more with the children..would you be happy to continue with the marriage?

A good friend has recently split up with her husband for similar reasons (except for the weight issue) and eventually he did listen to her complaints and they went to counselling..but it was just too late for the relationship to survive. She's fallen out of love with him completely.

If you think it could, I would recommend counselling.

LabradorMama · 23/01/2018 09:56

You ask WWYD - I’d leave. He sounds simply awful and the relationship beyond saving.

Does he know how you feel? Have you tried to talk to him about any of this? I suspect it might be a complete waste of time but if you are considering ending your marriage he ought to know, it might be the kick up the arse he needs.

I doubt it though.

LornaMumsnet · 23/01/2018 10:07

Hi all,

We're just moving this over to the relationships topic at the OP's request.

Flowers
exhusbandnamechange · 23/01/2018 10:11

A few months after we married I found paperwork from a payday loan he had taken the day before our wedding. He said he gave the money to his mum and she was repaying, totally plausible, but I knew then I would never be able to trust him. We separated after 7 months and stayed friends/in touch for a good few months after that. Then he met someone else and our contact stopped, quite rightly as I think we were both a bit lost after we split. Anyway we are 20 years down the line and he is still with the person he met. They have 2 kids and I'm really happy for him. I have been married 16 years myself.

Some things are just not meant to be. I thought my reason was a bit trivial as we could have worked on it; but In all honesty t was just a symptom of something bigger not being right.

Offred · 23/01/2018 10:16

I don’t think he’s in a rut. He’s just a selfish pig - he said it was fine because he was fine but his DD didn’t have any food?! WTF?!

None of those things are trivial.

I wouldn’t be able to live with him.

A divorce and the associated financial hit is going to be better than the kids growing up watching him behave like this!

Offred · 23/01/2018 10:17

And yes, if you’ve talked about it and he is adamant everything is fine all you can do is leave him TBH.

Honeycombcrunch · 23/01/2018 10:20

Your husband is lazy and selfish. I divorced my exh because he was selfish (but not lazy). I've never regretted ending the marriage and I'm much happier with my lovely DH. I didn't like who I was when I was with my ex because if I said anything to him I was nagging him but if I let him get away with being selfish I was a doormat.

Do you honestly want to spend the next 20+ years with this man?

Blobby10 · 23/01/2018 10:23

My Ex and I split up after 20 years because we had grown apart and neither of us felt we wanted to work hard to try and rebuild our relationship. We felt that if we stayed together we would end up having affair(s) and making each other very miserable.

Yes it was a very difficult decision but now, 2 years on we are still friends and get on well. I wouldn't want to spend any more time with him than I absolutely have to as I do harbour some resentment towards him but that isn't his fault - hes a nice bloke, just not for me. I have wondered on more than one occasion whether I should have fought for our marriage and wondered what I missed that the women he's dated since our split have seen in him but deep down I know it was the right decision for us and our family.

yetmorecrap · 23/01/2018 10:32

These are not trivial reasons OP. In my first marriage I divorced because I was always an afterthought. On Saturdays he just riddled off to football (never asked, always just expected) he spent a shedload of cash on football too. He would go to off licence and just buy stuff for him, would go out to pub 2 or3 evenings leaving me with ironing etc and then always want sex after coming in banging around the house. I will say however he was a great dad and a much better husband to his second wife. I think the problem was I was very young (20) and he just expected me to be his mother with sex as a bonus

Lordamighty · 23/01/2018 11:05

he just expected me to be his mother with sex as a bonus

^
This is such an accurate description of so many relationships, I have never seen it so perfectly described before.

Somewhereovertheroad · 23/01/2018 13:43

Haven't time to RTFT but wanted to quickly post this. I have been where he is working ling hours and chronically tired. I was eventually diagnosed low Vit D, low folic acid etc etc so if you can convince him to go to GP that could be checked along with Vit B12, thyroxine etc I wasted years being tired when I didn't need too.

Also counselling is really good and can really help to identify the issues perhaps his issues as well as yours.

Also if he has a demanding job he might be drained by the social interaction of it and just need to plan down time alone into his day.

ThanksLife is hard work and Dh was miserable when I was too tired to "live my life" and we were lucky to survive it.