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What shall I do about reporting to police?

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shallichangemyname · 17/01/2018 10:11

I have just exited a narcissistic, controlling and violent relationship.
I have been to the police on a "no names" basis, but they worked out who he was and have told me he has a long history of violence against former partners, all recorded but nobody ever co-operated in him being charged and tried, so he's always got away with it.
They are taking this so seriously that I have been classed as high risk and referred to MARAC (multi agency risk assessment conference) and the police have informed the children's schools. I have been given a mobile police alarm.
One of the things he has done is he used to push and push and push me, and then I'd explode and he'd video it surreptitiously on his mobile phone, which I understand is typical of narcissistic abuse where they want to portray you as the mad one. He's a big drug taker and persuaded me to dabble with him, and there is one reference to this on one video (to me though, not to him).

I've been very honest with police and told them everything.
The violence never hospitalised me, it was black eyes and bruises and scratches. There is a question mark over whether I was raped (according to the law) when I last saw him. Recently he turned up at my offices, where my boss is my father, to make allegations about me to him.

The police are obviously keen to prosecute him and have told me they class him as dangerous to women (he broke his last girlfriend's jaw, I had heard a rumour about this and the police confirmed it as true).
I have given them the names of two women I know he is seeing, so that they can be offered "Clare's law".
My question is do I name him now and allow them to prosecute?
Down sides: my name is dragged publicly through the mud with his stupid videos; he potentially loses contact with his youngest child and blames me; when he comes out of prison/gets a suspended sentence he makes it his life's mission to get revenge on me (he always claimed he knows some nasty people, that he has a gun and once told me he was going to have someone killed). He won't be able to carry out his constant threats to show his stupid videos to people, or to turn up at my office.
Up sides: it stops him doing it to other women.
The police understand that in DV situations you need to be selfish and put yourself first.
Everybody (except one friend who pointed out the revenge thing) is encouraging me to name him, even three of his closest friends have told me to.

Currently I've had the police serve a PIN on him in relation to the recent harassment (he calls me incessantly, emails me, and deliberately goes to places he knows I am going to). A PIN is a formal warning notice that offences are being committed under the Protection from Harassment Act and that if he continues he may be charged. So I'm hoping that will make him stop (because he will know I've been to the police). I feel protected, in that I've had 4 home visits from the police and the child protection people and I have a mobile police alarm.
Before he left (and as a condition of him leaving), under duress I entered into an agreement to sell a house and give him the money. I now realise this agreement (which is in writing) is completely unfair. I am planning to give him some of the money but keep the rest and I'll calculate exactly what is fair and what he would get if he went to court (reflecting our relative contributions), but I know he is going to go mad. I have no choice but to do this - he's left me massively in debt and I can't make ends meet and the agreement is grossly unfair. I suppose this is another upside to letting the police charge him - that it will make it much more difficult for him to challenge this. but my motivation is absolutely not financial.

My dilemma is do I do the "right" thing for all women (let him get charged and co-operate in a prosecution) or for me (wait and see if the PIN works)? What would you do, putting yourself in my shoes?

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shallichangemyname · 19/02/2018 07:57

How long did it take to come to trial and what special measures did you have? I understand there are lots of variations. I'm favouring giving evidence in court but with the public gallery emptied so that the judge and jury actually see me face to face because I think there's a lot you can tell from body language. I know it's early days for a question like that.
The police have my phone so I'm feeling a little lost. I have no landline so not sure how they will contact me.
They were to let me know if he was released last night but didn't. I'm assuming he has been. They were pretty certain that they would not charge him because they'd want to evidence gather first. Evidence in Rape offences is dealt with much more stringently since the recent scandal.

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Offred · 19/02/2018 08:02

I’ll PM you.

rainbowruthie · 19/02/2018 14:54

Wishing you well

WellThisIsShit · 19/02/2018 16:28

Hang on, if you don’t have your mobile, or a landline, then how are you supposed to ring for help in an emergency? Sounds like the police have just put you in a very unsafe position surely? Unless they’ve done other things to ensure you can alert them immediately?

I am glad you’ve finally plunged into the deep end and done it though. Reading your thread has been really troubling as in your efforts to protect yourself and take things slow, you were eroding your case and leading yourself into an ever more difficult and boxed in situation.

Well done for breaking out of that mindset you’d got yourself trapped in.

That must have been really hard and you should feel proud of yourself.

shallichangemyname · 19/02/2018 18:32

Exactly my thoughts. I'm completely marooned and no way of calling the police if anything happens!

I went out briefly to take DS somewhere at midday and on returning DD announced the police had been. Oh lovely, I said, did they bring my phone back? No, she said, they were saying how they'd been trying to call you all day..... Went to my friend's and called 101 (the DVU number is on my phone....) and they said that the officers had been round to deliver a mobile alarm and to go to a particular police station to collect it. When I got there I discovered there is no manned desk and you have to call the person you're there to see...only I don't have a phone and had no contact name or number anyway. So I wandered around for a few minutes until I saw someone who looked like a copper and he went and sorted it out. So I do now have a mobile alarm at least. They to,d me they were about to start an official search for me because of concern for my welfare as I seemed to have gone AWOL!
I asked what his bail conditions are and he's bailed til 16 March with the usual conditions of not contacting me and not going near the house.
I have no idea what's next. I'll have to see if I can borrow a phone tomorrow and get a duplicate SIM. I'm assuming the police will want to discuss witnesses and start interviewing them.

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shallichangemyname · 19/02/2018 18:34

I'm feeling massively daunted by what I have started. But I just couldn't leave it and he was clearly never going to leave me alone.

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WellDoneTiger · 19/02/2018 23:15

Well done, shallichamgemyname! Wow! You've done it! I'm sure you will get lots of help and support for what happens next.

pog100 · 20/02/2018 07:12

Congratulations, you are clearly doing the right thing.
Regarding the phone don't forget you can get a simple phone and pay as you go SIM for as little as £10. Any supermarket and lots of high street shops. It's good to have a back up phone anyway and those cheap phones last weeks between charges.
Good luck!

shallichangemyname · 20/02/2018 11:21

I went and got myself a new SIM and now have the use of an ancient phone. Calling the police for an update when it's charged.

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Offred · 20/02/2018 11:57

You need to get another phone. The police may have your phone for months if not years.

shallichangemyname · 20/02/2018 12:00

When they took it they implied I'd get it back very quickly but I understand from your own experience Offred that I may be without it for months grrrrrr.....I don't want to be separated from my iPhone :)

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Offred · 20/02/2018 12:22

Depends what kind of phone it is! My phone is literally the worst kind - iPhone 7, large storage, restored from an update dating back years so hard to access and absolutely chock full of data for them to wade through.

Offred · 20/02/2018 12:23

I have also read that if the data is used for evidence they may keep the phone in evidence until after any court case.

WellThisIsShit · 20/02/2018 12:30

Phew at least you’ve got a phone and some kind of alarm thingy now, safer and hopefully more happy too if you can contact friends and generally be in your own life again!

I’m not impressed with that cock up on the polices part, can you speak to anyone to make sure they’re doing everything they can to keep you safe and to progress the case etc. Then you can relax a bit at least knowing that it’s all happening in the way it should do...

You know you’re doing the right thing don’t you?

You’re being super brave and super strong and you are going to be ok. Even if you don’t feel any of those things at the moment.

It’s ruddy horrible and unfair, and it shouldn’t be happening to you. It’s really really crap, I know, and I’m sorry. But, as no one can change that —evil— —fucker— man, you have to concentrate on getting through it and getting to the other side. And I can tell from your posts that you are bright, you are skilled, and you are adaptable, so you stand a really good chance of making it through, being resourceful and grabbing chances when you see them. Now you’re out of that paralysing plan-plan-plan tiny tiptoes and turning around on one spot phase (that’s the official very long and proper name for it, honest!), I think you’ll do really well.

In the end you had no choice but to do this,.. or, that’s wrong, I mean, you had choices, but they were all rubbish except this one, so your choice was rather limited to this or worse.

So, like many people, you’ve found yourself being brave and strong and doing something super scary but right... and so, you’ll find people will say things like ‘you’re being so brave’ and you’ll want to say ‘no I’m not! I didn’t even want to do this!’, but the truth is that you are being brave and generally all round great, even if you didn’t set to be!

It’s amazing what’s deep down inside us, and although you probably don’t feel very kick ass right now, one day you’re going to look back at you right now and think, ‘yup, I was a pretty damn kick ass amazing woman right then’ :)

shallichangemyname · 20/02/2018 13:39

Plan plan tippy toes turning around on one spot
That is absolutely spot on. The walls were closing in on me all the time I was trying to do things avoiding the criminal route. The last straw was him breaking the undertakings thinking he could intimidate me via third parties to give him £100k. I've made a formal complaint of blackmail too.

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FabbyChix · 20/02/2018 13:43

If you don't co-operate whats not to say he will harass and torture you for years and years, if he is prosecuted he will stop and if it does start again it wont be for long due to his previous history. You could block him on your phone, change your email address or send his emails to junk. Tell your dad the truth so he has no bat to beat you with.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/02/2018 23:43

Wow! I've been away for awhile. What a marvelous update to come back to! You are a TIGER!

KanyeWesticle · 21/02/2018 09:17

What a brilliant woman you are! Well done!!!

Offred · 21/02/2018 09:58

@wellthisisshit that is a brilliant post!

It is going to be hard, but it was always going to be hard. If you had not gone to the police IMO it would have been hard and unproductive and you would have come off way worse. Going to the police does not guarantee you will not suffer or that he won’t make things difficult but it does mean you have someone with power in between you and him and it is the only way to reduce the suffering and potentially get you out of this with the least amount of damage...

Sorry if that sounds grim! It’s just a really shitty and grim situation!

shallichangemyname · 21/02/2018 11:53

I'm still ill. Vomiting on top of the chest infection now. Police just called and asked for my Apple ID and password and they are hoping I can have the phone back tomorrow which is great. They are coming down now with some documents to sign,

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shallichangemyname · 21/02/2018 11:54

Thank you all for your support x

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pollythedolly · 21/02/2018 12:21
Thanks You're an amazing woman.

Hope you feel better soon x

WellThisIsShit · 22/02/2018 12:24

Oh shalli, do you think you’ve got a bug, or is it all a physical reaction to the stress, on top of chest infection? Anyway, whatever it is, it sounds vile, and NOT what you need!

Still thinking of you, and still thinking you’re being brilliant, even though everything’s so awful. When you can’t think about how to get through a day, just think about the next hour. If that hour seems too far and too big, then think about the next 5 mins. And if that’s too big, then you do it breath by breath. Each breath in, and out, is you blowing the past and present bad stuff right out of there!

Like you’re blowing all that crap away from you and into the past. You’re, err, blowing him away from you... and I’m sure you can find a lot of errrm, fun in all the ways that particular mental image can be played out Grin

What shall I do about reporting to police?
WellThisIsShit · 22/02/2018 12:26

@Offred thanks Blush

shallichangemyname · 26/02/2018 14:47

I think it's a reaction as well as being genuinely ill. I'm back at work today but feeling totally drained. The DC came on Wednesday and said he was off for 5 days but would leave a note to say I should have my phone back, but when I called on Friday there was no note on the file so I just thought I'd wait until he was back on Tuesday. It was a bit of a cock up being without a phone and the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing with that, but at least I've now got the alarm and a temporary phone. He's bombarding me with solicitors letters now, four at the end of last week. I haven't been very good at availing myself of all the support because I was feeling so ill last week, but I'll make contact with the IDVA/ISVA this week and am seeing Women's Aid on Thursday (see them every week now).

What's really been upsetting me the last few days is that there is a witness who is a really good friend of mine and her husband won't let her make a statement. Her statement would sink him on a blackmail charge. She isn't the "little woman" type, she's very forthright, but she says she can't do it if she is going to fall out with her husband over it. I got really upset with her and she came back with how supportive she's been (which she has). But I can't do this whole case on my own. Her husband thinks I've got enough to sink him and I don't "need" her evidence, he's not the sharpest knife in the block and doesn't understand the power of third party evidence. I feel that she should do what's right, and my ex was the one who involved her in the first place by using her to pass intimidating messages on. So why shouldn't she tell her husband she is just going to tell the truth? I just don't get it and I'm feeling really upset by it. I have plenty of other witnesses who will stand up for me, but she's the only one who can speak to the blackmail issue.

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