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What shall I do about reporting to police?

128 replies

shallichangemyname · 17/01/2018 10:11

I have just exited a narcissistic, controlling and violent relationship.
I have been to the police on a "no names" basis, but they worked out who he was and have told me he has a long history of violence against former partners, all recorded but nobody ever co-operated in him being charged and tried, so he's always got away with it.
They are taking this so seriously that I have been classed as high risk and referred to MARAC (multi agency risk assessment conference) and the police have informed the children's schools. I have been given a mobile police alarm.
One of the things he has done is he used to push and push and push me, and then I'd explode and he'd video it surreptitiously on his mobile phone, which I understand is typical of narcissistic abuse where they want to portray you as the mad one. He's a big drug taker and persuaded me to dabble with him, and there is one reference to this on one video (to me though, not to him).

I've been very honest with police and told them everything.
The violence never hospitalised me, it was black eyes and bruises and scratches. There is a question mark over whether I was raped (according to the law) when I last saw him. Recently he turned up at my offices, where my boss is my father, to make allegations about me to him.

The police are obviously keen to prosecute him and have told me they class him as dangerous to women (he broke his last girlfriend's jaw, I had heard a rumour about this and the police confirmed it as true).
I have given them the names of two women I know he is seeing, so that they can be offered "Clare's law".
My question is do I name him now and allow them to prosecute?
Down sides: my name is dragged publicly through the mud with his stupid videos; he potentially loses contact with his youngest child and blames me; when he comes out of prison/gets a suspended sentence he makes it his life's mission to get revenge on me (he always claimed he knows some nasty people, that he has a gun and once told me he was going to have someone killed). He won't be able to carry out his constant threats to show his stupid videos to people, or to turn up at my office.
Up sides: it stops him doing it to other women.
The police understand that in DV situations you need to be selfish and put yourself first.
Everybody (except one friend who pointed out the revenge thing) is encouraging me to name him, even three of his closest friends have told me to.

Currently I've had the police serve a PIN on him in relation to the recent harassment (he calls me incessantly, emails me, and deliberately goes to places he knows I am going to). A PIN is a formal warning notice that offences are being committed under the Protection from Harassment Act and that if he continues he may be charged. So I'm hoping that will make him stop (because he will know I've been to the police). I feel protected, in that I've had 4 home visits from the police and the child protection people and I have a mobile police alarm.
Before he left (and as a condition of him leaving), under duress I entered into an agreement to sell a house and give him the money. I now realise this agreement (which is in writing) is completely unfair. I am planning to give him some of the money but keep the rest and I'll calculate exactly what is fair and what he would get if he went to court (reflecting our relative contributions), but I know he is going to go mad. I have no choice but to do this - he's left me massively in debt and I can't make ends meet and the agreement is grossly unfair. I suppose this is another upside to letting the police charge him - that it will make it much more difficult for him to challenge this. but my motivation is absolutely not financial.

My dilemma is do I do the "right" thing for all women (let him get charged and co-operate in a prosecution) or for me (wait and see if the PIN works)? What would you do, putting yourself in my shoes?

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cestlavielife · 18/01/2018 15:44

He will continue to ruin your life and probably ypur dc unless you pursue charging him.
Do it for yourself and your dd

Angelf1sh · 18/01/2018 16:04

I’d definitely cooperate with a Prosecution. If someone else had before now then you might not be in the position you are now.

Plus, he could release those videos or do any of those other things at any time anyway. Not prosecuting doesn’t protect you from anything.

Iooselipssinkships · 18/01/2018 18:10

I went through all of the above a couple of years ago. It will be the hardest thing you've ever done but it will also be the most empowering.
I too feared revenge after he was released from prison.
So far nothing has happened even though I was threatened with acid attacks and he'd tried to kill me prior. I'm able to get out without much fear now. It is doable and I'm still here.
Some charges didn't stick but at least I look back and think I did all I could.
His ex took him back while he was in prison for what he did to me and it really hurt because I partly did it for the shit he did to her too. I hope she gets away one day.
Feel free to message if there's anything you want to know about it all. Stay strong.

ptumbi · 18/01/2018 18:46

OP - it's always hard to see that 'your' abuse is bad; it's like you shut it off as being 'normal', and 'not that bad' and even if you are beaten black and blue,there is always someone worse than you....

You have come a long way. I hope you continue to grow in strength and get all these professional people behind you. Their support will help you - and I hope you do resolve to nail this cretin once and for all. If nothing else, maybe he needs to be shown that not everyone is scared of him! Turd that he is.

Strength to you.

shallichangemyname · 20/01/2018 18:05

So after naming his current girlfriends so the police can offer them Clare’s Law disclosure, the police have now told me they won’t serve a PIN. So I am completely exposed.
Thing is, if I do proceed with charges, the house he is currently living in belongs to me and it’s being sold. The sale will complete in the next 4-8 weeks. If he gets arrested then he will refuse to co-operate with the sale. I’m massively in debt and the sale is my financial lifeline. He thinks he’s keeping all the money (but he will be getting what I give him which will be a fair sum based on our relative contributions). I think if I were to make a formal statement allowing them to charge him it’s best to do it when the sale completes. In the meantime I though I’d have the PIN to protect myself.
If the police speak to the new girlfriends he is going to go ape. He knows it will be me who has given them their names.

I’m more confused than ever. I don’t want to be pressurised into the charge route without taking my time.
I know that it’s the “right” thing to do but I don’t want to screw myself in the process.

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cestlavielife · 20/01/2018 19:01

Don't give him any money.
If he is not on the deeds it isn't his. Get proper advice.
If it s your house not his you can get him evicted.
Might be easier if he been arrested.
What "contribution" has he made? If you not married and he isnt in the deeds or mortgage then he doesn't havee so much claim.
Why is he in the hpuse?
Get him out...change the locks.

cestlavielife · 20/01/2018 19:03

I do understand your fear of his reaction but everything us on your side.

What rights does he have to be in your hpuse and are you living elsewhere safely ?

cestlavielife · 20/01/2018 19:04

Why does he have to coopereste with sale ?
What claim does he have on it?

Offred · 20/01/2018 19:19

Yes, I don’t understand why he needs to co-operate with the sale either?

Does he have a proper tenancy agreement?

If not surely you could just send him written notice that he has to be out when the sale goes through.

Offred · 20/01/2018 19:21

Is he paying you rent?

cestlavielife · 20/01/2018 19:29

Just get him put now. Is he paying you rent or something?

cestlavielife · 20/01/2018 19:30

Get him out.

NetflixAndGin · 20/01/2018 20:42

Could you apply for a non molestation order through the court? They can grant these without notifying him, but it would have to be served to him. Then any breaches can be prosecuted by the police.

Elclr · 21/01/2018 00:52

Please, please, please speak to NCDV (National Center for Domestic Violence) and see if they can get you a non molestation order. Any contact with you or breach of any other conditions and he can be arrested.

It is worth 5,000 what a PIN is. The PIN is new money talk for a Harassment Warning. And that is all it is. A warning that if he does contact you they'll consider it harassment.

NCDV can (depending on your circumstances) arrange everything for you. Please. Consider it.

In my line of work I deal with this a lot. A non mol would help you massively. If you're MARAC level especially.

Good luck xx

Gingernaut · 21/01/2018 00:56

If charges of sexual assault are laid against him, your identity wouldn't be made public.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 21/01/2018 08:07

If he's still living in your house, yes you need his cooperation otherwise he'll lock himself in when you are ready to complete.
If he's in jail, what can he do? If it's totally your house, he doesn't need to sign anything.

That said, you do need to get further clarification from the police that they can and will proceed with arrest before you take things further

Offred · 21/01/2018 12:12

If he is not paying rent though he’s an excluded occupier. She can give him notice, gonin when he’s not there and change the locks.

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 21/01/2018 12:24

Hi OP,

My heart goes out to you. I have been through this and was the first in a long line of women he had physically, emotionally and sexually abused to go through with pressing charges and he was tried and found guilty and jailed. It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done but I am so so glad I did it. The victim support was amazing. Please feel free to pm me if you want any info or just to talk.

Take care Flowers

shallichangemyname · 21/01/2018 12:49

Thank you for your support everyone.

The problem with the house is this.
I bought 3 houses during our relationship. One was sold so now there are 2. All houses and mortgages in my sole name.
We bought them as joint projects. One house (the one he is in) we didn’t do much to. This house (the one I’m in) we did it up and built an extension. I reckon I funded about £80k of works plus the £75k purchase price in addition to the mortgage. I reckon he put in a total of £12k. The other house was funded with sale proceeds of first house and a bank loan in my name plus mortgage.
We never specifically agreed how the profits would be divided but to my mind the fair outcome would be to deduct what ezch of us has spent and then divide the remainder.

However (and it’s a big however) he demanded all the equity in the other house plus £10k cash to leave. I wanted him out so badly that I agreed. I drew up proper legal documentation. Neither of us had advice but I am a lawyer. The legal agreement recorded that he was to live in the other house and sell it within 2 years and he is to pay mortgage, insure it etc in the meantime.
There is an old tenancy agreement from months ago that he got me to sign when he was pretending to live there. This provides for rent but of course he hasn’t paid it and the document was a sham anyway.

So if I try to evict him now before sale he will claim a right to be there and we have to have a massive legal fight over whether the agreement is void for duress which will basically ruin the current sale.

My thoughts are to hold fire. The sale should complete in about a month. My plan is to pay him what I calculate he is due and show him how I’ve calulated it. It will be a fait accompli as the money will pass through my hands.

In the meantime with no PIN I’m exposed. So it looks like a non molestation order with an attached power of arrest is my only option. I’m ready to run with that. I’ve done my statement all ready.

The inspector is calling me today to discuss the PIN.

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shallichangemyname · 21/01/2018 12:51

I suspect he will kick off when he doesn’t get “his” money, at which stage the police are welcome to him.
The equity he’s expecting to walk off with is £100k plus the £10k I’ve alreafy given him. In comparison, I walk off £45k lighter than I was when our relationship started. So it’s grossly unfair and I think I have a good case for duress.

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shallichangemyname · 21/01/2018 12:52

Wellfuckme I will pm you tomorrow. Thank you x

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shallichangemyname · 21/01/2018 12:53

@Breakfast that’s an option I thought about but ALL his belongings are there. What do I do with them?

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Gingernaut · 21/01/2018 12:54

Surely the 'legal contract', was written and agreed to under duress?

That's not legally binding? Is it?

Gingernaut · 21/01/2018 12:55

Put the belongings in storage.

When he asks for them, hand him the key. Through an intermediary/solicitor.

cestlavielife · 21/01/2018 13:24
  1. My guess us he won't leave. What will you do then ? How will sale conplete if it isnt vacant ?
Have a plan b to get him put bailiffs etc.
  1. Don't pass on any money ..just the 10k. . House mortgage in your name. Apart from 10 k he spent. Let him take you to court for the rest. And seek proper legal advice.

I can see ypur priority is to sell house an d if sale is under way then continue ...but he could mess it up by refusing to leave. Do you have cash to get an eviction ? Have you told conveyancer solicitor to give him money from sale? I can't see why you need to at all.
You don't need his signature for the sale because it isn't his house! But your buyers won't want a squatter in situ...

Best to get him out now...
How can you be sure he will leave on day of sale ?

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