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DH and I relationship imploding after DD self harm revelation

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StripeySoul · 11/01/2018 11:46

This is really sad - and I’d appreciate advice to keep me on the right course.

DH and I happily married for 15 years with daughters aged 2-14.

DD1 wrote me a letter at the beginning of the week to say that over the last year she’s been self harming.

DD is autistic and had a tough year at school last year - which I understand was when it flared up. DH was very against getting the ASD diagnosis. It was the worst row we’ve ever had -went on for days full pitched - which wrapped up with him saying ‘I know you’ll do it whatever you want anyway - but please don’t screw up our daughter’.

I showed DDs letter to DH immediately (even though it was addressed to only me - but it’s too big a thing to keep secret from him) but begged him to not react at DD. I came back from the School run, he’d not gone to work, gone back to bed. I hustled him out and we talked for 3 hours - and I haven’t a clue where the conversation went or what he wants to do. For sure lots of big emotions, lots of negativity towards the family and our life, lots about being estranged from the kids and locked out of important decisions with the kids (“no one ever talks to me”). Lots about how this must be a sign of us (read ‘me’ ) having not supported her properly growing up.

Concretely - he thinks this is entirely environmental - furious with School - wants to remove her immediately - wants to cut off her friends - basically very fixed on the idea that there is an enemy somewhere who has negatively influenced his daughter. Lots of “why do I even bother working to support such a toxic lifestyle”.

I then had to collect DD3. He slept the rest of the day, refused meals. I came to bed 10pm, he got up and drove somewhere. The next day he went to work - but lots of messages about how upset and tired he is. He rolled out the idea of his Mum coming to stay. His Mum is lovely - but I can’t help but see it as a reflexive wish from DH to have an ally in the household. (MiL very anti diagnosis too!).

Yesterday I went to GP, today I’m seeing School. I’ve obvisly also spent a lot of time with DD - and there’s a separate health situation running in parallel. I basically told DH I needed to be calm and focussed with DD - and us having this massive row which now feels like it’s about our marriage isn’t compatible with that - so I just need to press pause on the conversation.

In the evening we didn’t speak - but he made a big effort with cleaning the kitchen and assembling a storage unit and stuff... I think he’s trying not to be a dick.

He’s been not really top form all year - a lot of work stress - long hours. Tends to get home after 8pm, said he feels estranged from the family, getting wound up with very vanilla kid stress, fiddling with his phone at meals, not coming to bed until late, yelling at the cat, talking about emigrating because of the ‘state of politics’, gaining weight.

I don’t really know where this is taking us. Every time DDs autism comes up - we have a bigger row. I’m kind of at the point where I’m just cutting him out and doing what needs to be done by myself - but I’m really sad doing this - because I’m not sure where it leaves my marriage. He’s an amazing DH in so many ways (and for such a long time) - but this disagreement is just toxic - and I don’t know how to handle it.

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monkeywithacowface · 11/01/2018 11:51

Gosh that sounds really hard. It sound like your DH's mental health isn't great either at the minute so I can understand you closing him out of decisions about your DD.

I think you need to seperate the two issues. Focus on your DD's needs for now and the when you get a breather consider what is really going on with your DH and your marriage. Problem is you can't "fix" your DH. If he's not willing to seek changes in himself then think long and hard about your future together.

ShatnersWig · 11/01/2018 11:52

Putting aside your DD for a moment, I think it's possible our DH is potentially one step away from having some form of breakdown. You make a point of saying he's amazing DH in so many ways and for a long time. This isn't a case of him being an arse that you've put up with for years. The sleeping, the irritation, the gaining weight - I've seen that in many people with depression and then it spills to a breakdown.

I wonder if he had issues at school himself? His reaction.

I dunno, I just get the feeling this isn't just a guy being an arsehole.

Offred · 11/01/2018 11:55

I think you need to suggest to him in very strong terms that he gets some counselling to help him come to terms with his DD’s diagnosis.

This is his issue that he is unfairly and harmfully bringing into his relationships at home, as you have correctly identified.

The priority is dd.

Is she in mainstream school?

Bekabeech · 11/01/2018 11:55

I would say that you H needs to grow up, but is he on the spectrum?
Family therapy could help ( but also could be make or break).
First he isn't the central concern here, this is not about him.
I would consider very carefully before sharing personal things your daughter tells you with him without her permission. She is no longer a child and may well be "Gillick competent" (only doubt would be the ASD).

There is not a school in the country where no children are self harming.
There may be good reasons to change school but equally it could be the worst idea ever. You need to talk to your DD and hear her views on what she wants to happen and what is stressing her.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 11/01/2018 11:56

It sounds like he's frustrated because there isn't a concrete problem that he can just fix. Remember autism runs in families too and might be behind his rigid patterns of thinking.

When my DD2 self harmed I was devastated but DH was totally consumed by guilt; seemed to consider it was all down to him being unkind to her (it wasn't he was just being a normal dad telling off normal teenage bad behaviour).

But he very much led how we went forward with DD (basically we love bombed her and it worked for us, but I don't think she is on the spectrum so a different situation to yours).

Do you think your DH is an autism denier or something? Would some professional counselling for you both help?

Plumsofwrath · 11/01/2018 11:57

Has your DH actually spoken to your DD about what’s going on in her life, what she feels, what she’s thinking? Hasn’t he actually listened to her? 14 is a tough age, parents still think of their young teenagers as still being in the young child phase. But she will have valid ideas of her own that it may actually help him to hear straight from her mouth.

I think it’s a good idea to pause your marriage. Reassure him you love him, that you’re there for him, but prioritise DD.

Good luck

Boysarebackintown · 11/01/2018 11:57

Sorry you and your DD are going through this OP.

I don’t have much to offer in the way of advice, but what strikes me is that he seems to be making this about ‘him’ not your DD. He wants you to make it about ‘him’ too. I would stop arguing with him, don’t engage in this behaviour he is exhibiting - he is an adult - let him focus on himself, if that’s what he wants, whilst you support your Dd and other DC. As a parent I would like to think that I would focus on my DD who needs me, and FWIW I think that’s what you should do.

Offred · 11/01/2018 12:03

And believe me, I know that it can be hard. My dd was diagnosed last year. My mother (who, ridiculously, is a GP!!) doesn’t believe in ASD and thinks that it is being overdiagnosed to cover up poor parenting.

She has tried to interfere in things, has repeatedly undermined me, won’t implement any of the things I have learned about how to support DD and has even gone as far as making up lies about DD apparently living with her and being afraid to come home (total fantasy on both counts) that she has reported to DD’s school.

I appreciate it is hard to deal with but in a 2 year period of time my DD fell out of school, developed severe depression with periods of psychotic symptoms, I was then diagnosed with high BP, then MS and then my BF of the time escalated abuse and was arrested etc.

If I can cope with all that (and an older child starting high school and younger twins) as a single parent then he should be able to cope with work, family and his dd’s diagnosis. He may need support to do so, but he should be seeking support if he isn’t coping.

StripeySoul · 11/01/2018 12:15

Shatner ... mmmm.... He's negotiated a 4 day week starting in February - and 'I don't even know why I bother working' did come up several times (and the fact that he basically didn't turn up at work)...

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ShatnersWig · 11/01/2018 12:24

Stripey I think he's going under with stress at work. I think his reaction to what is happening to your DD may be triggering something in his past too. As others have said, it can be a family trait. I wonder if he is partially on the spectrum and somehow he's realised this is why he's had problems in the past or at school.

I'm not excusing some of his behaviour, I just genuinely think he's really not coping with life at the moment (another reason he's suggested his mum comes to stay).

RedForFilth · 11/01/2018 13:27

He's making all his daughters problems about himself! My mum did that to me. We have a good relationship now but she hardly knows a thing about my life and my past. I never went to her with my problems again. I know she regrets it but I can't forget how she made me feel.

pudding21 · 11/01/2018 16:43

Kudos to your daughter for reaching out to you, shows she really trusts you. Sounds like your husband was walking a fine line with his mental health and this has "tipped" him over the edge.

Could you see if he would talk to his GP?

Dozer · 11/01/2018 16:46

IMO your H has some flags for being emotionally abusive.

BackInTheRoom · 11/01/2018 17:57

@StripeySoul

This is exactly my situation but DH was not passive aggressive. When asked what was wrong he'd say 'I'm stressed at work' 'nothing makes me happy anymore'.

He dumped me suddenly and unexpectedly one afternoon after 18 years of marriage. It turned out he had an OW.

Our home life sucked. DH and DS would argue continuously. DH had previous turned down an Autism Assessment for DS when he had attended a CAMHS visits with him. Everyone who'd dealt with DS thought he had Autism.

Looking back, I think my DH had had enough of our sucky home life; all the arguing, me sticking up for DS (DH used to call DS names) me trying to get DS help with various MH teams. I also think he might have been jealous of DS getting all the attention? His family don't believe in MH issues either, they have no time for it. I'm beginning to think that my now STBXH thought I had manufactured our DS symptoms and behaviour! But I cannot ask him because he will not talk to me about the kids.

When he left us, I was in the middle of trying to get DS another Autism Assessment and he hasn't once asked me how our DS is (he lives with me)!

BackInTheRoom · 11/01/2018 18:00

In fact seeing my post written down has given me a sense that DS and I might have been experiencing EA? 😕

TatianaLarina · 11/01/2018 18:05

On the plus side - well done to you for supporting your DD and getting that diagnosis - it gives context to the self harm.

You do what you need to do for your DD and yourself. You can’t pull another adult through hedges and ditches if they don’t want to go.

DH has a lot of growing up to do and needs to take responsibility for his own life.

mustbemad17 · 11/01/2018 18:07

I was a self harmer from 15. When my folks found at at 18 they flipped out; i was due to go to Uni & they basically told me if i didn't pack it in i wouldn't be going.
Even with the ASD your DD needs to know both her parents are behind her. Your DH's idea of basically barricading her in & making her life empty of any potential issues is hands down the worst thing imo.

It does sound like DP is struggling himself. I've never understood the heel dragging surrounding diagnosis because it is usually the only way to access structured support. Surely any parent wants their child to do the best with the best help rather than struggle?

I agree that you have two seperate issues here - both quite intense too!

mustbemad17 · 11/01/2018 18:08

Ffs meant to say even without the ASD added in!! Not proof reading

StripeySoul · 11/01/2018 18:18

Sorry - answering slowly - been fielding calls and meetings all day .

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StripeySoul · 11/01/2018 18:22

He's definitely on the spectrum. Doesn't particularly deny it. Just hates the label, doesn't believe in the services. Sees the self harm as an Affluenza thing - bored over indulged middle class kid toxic fad that DD has got pulled in to (he was much poorer growing up. Long hours = good income now).

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Dozer · 11/01/2018 18:32

He has some nasty attitudes there.

StripeySoul · 11/01/2018 18:39

It's literally something he has never come across.

I had friends self harm growing up - and a close friend now still does it - so I am concerned for DD but not horrified iyswim.

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Offred · 11/01/2018 18:42

Sees the self harm as an Affluenza thing - bored over indulged middle class kid toxic fad that DD has got pulled in to

This would be quite enough for me to divorce him and put restrictions on access to the DC (that he was not to share these views with DC or get anyone else to) TBH.

Offred · 11/01/2018 18:43

Has he actually seen any of the (very scary) stats on self harm and suicide amongst teens?

Offred · 11/01/2018 18:45

Plus his way of not dealing with anything and just being angry and horrible to everyone (and everything - pets) who loves him doesn’t indicate that he has anything of worth to say on the topic anyway.