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Do I tell friend and risk friendship

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truthtruth · 09/01/2018 14:49

Bit of a dilemma.

One of my closest friends, let’s call her B, met a guy a few months back. We were all thrilled for her as she is a wonderful woman who deserves every happiness and he seemed like a great guy and made her incredibly happy.
He recently set up a new business which means he works very long hours and is very stressed. She makes great efforts to see him at place of work (public place with lots of people coming and going, not like an office) and spends all her free time with him.

She invited me and DH to the opening party for the business and throughout the night she became increasingly unhappy at the fact that one of his friends, who she had only been introduced to a few days previously, was also there and getting a lot of his time and attention and had been quite involved in the set-up of the business. When B asked how they knew each other she was very vague and changed the subject. She made no effort to talk to B or anyone else apart from him that night. She left before we did and B went home with him.
The next day she called me in floods of tears to say they had broken-up. She had asked about this woman and he became very angry and started shouting and swearing and B left that morning. I was very shocked as he doesn’t seem the type AT ALL but told her if that was his response to straightforward questions he was clearly hiding something and his response was OTT. She then admitted that he would blow up quite frequently, was often very moody and selfish and was either all over her or very distant. At this stage they had been together less than 2 months so I said have a good cry but chalk it down to a lucky escape.

A few weeks later I walked past the business out of opening hours and he was in there with the friend.

Before I had a chance to tell B I got a message saying he had begged her for another chance, had promised never to behave like that again and was getting help for his anger issues. I said nothing about what I had just seen. Stupid.

After that things were great between them. She was spending all free time with him again, lots of trips to fancy places and talk of their future. Then she said they were spending Christmas together and going on their ‘dream’ holiday. All paid for and booked by him.

We met for a drink a couple of weeks before the holiday and it was clear she was quite unhappy but defensive of him. She said the anger issues were still there but not as bad. That he could be quite possessive and controlling but was trying very hard not to be – it was because he loved her so much and she is so out of his league – and that he was still in regular contact with that friend. She would often wake in the night to find him on his computer saying he couldn’t sleep and was catching up on work but once she had managed to get into it and could see that he was regularly messaging his ‘friend’ in the middle of the night. There wasn’t anything physical going on between them but the messages sometimes very emotional and often about his relationship with her (B), which the friend took very badly. This woman was the one who persuaded him into getting help for his anger and was supporting him through an official MH diagnoses, which B knew nothing about until then.

B said she was very confused and hurt but he bombards her with messages about how much he loves her, how he never thought he would find someone like her, never thought he would fall in love again, that she makes him feel whole and he would do anything to make her happy and for them to stay together and she wants to believe him.

I begged her to take time out to think. She said she would think about it. Next thing I hear they are off on holiday as planned – he had sorted stress at work, cut off the friend completely and was going to prove to her on holiday how much she meant to him.

Dh and I were discussing this over a drink one night over Christmas and DH decided to put his IT skills to use and started googling.

According to this guy he has a long and famous career in his industry. All we can find are half arsed ventures that flopped. He says he has lived in our city for 20 years. Electoral register put him elsewhere in that time. And with a woman we believe is his ex wife. He has told B his doesn't believe in marriage. He also told her he does not want kids. We think, based on some lax facebook settings, that he has one. Who he has never mentioned and does not see. It looks as though his ex-wife lives on the other side of the country and is very happily remarried. His relationship after that, which broke up a while before he met B, started not long after the birth of his child it seems.

B has come back from holiday on cloud 9 and is saying she knows they are going to grow old together and that all the previous behaviour was just fear and insecurity and it’s all behind them. She is literally glowing with happiness. They have been together for 6 months.

How do I even begin to broach this without alienating her? The way she is right now, I don't think she will listen to a word I say. But I can't not say anything.

What would you do MNers?

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Hissy · 09/01/2018 14:55

I think tbh you tell her you googled him to be a bit nosy about his 'long and famous career' and tbh, you think she needs to do the same

ShatnersWig · 09/01/2018 14:57

B doesn't want to hear what you have to say. She's blinded, presumably because she's been lonely for a long time or has low self esteem (no other reason to remain in such a relationship).

Let her make her mistakes and be there for her when it eventually goes tits up.

misscph1973 · 09/01/2018 14:58

To be honest I would not be very happy if a friend had been doing that kind of detective work about someone I was dating. That would be crossing a line for me.

But seeing that you have, then you are obliged to tell her what you have found out - but be careful, and only tell her of facts that are rock-solid, not any assumptions. She will not be happy, but tell her that you are worried about her because of what she has told you.

QuiteLikely5 · 09/01/2018 14:58

Even if you tell her it won’t make a jot of difference she seems completely hooked!

Therefore all that is likely to happen it will start a row between them and he will accuse you guys of not liking him - ending the opportunity for social get togethers

I would sit tight. The next argument won’t be far away. Perhaps during that time you can encourage her to do some snooping of her own via FB or similar

Emmageddon · 09/01/2018 15:03

I wouldn't tell her that I had been snooping, but I would try to set the wheels in motion for her to do some snooping of her own. An ex-wife and a child isn't something he can hide forever, and his lies about his illustrious career might make her feel a lot differently about her man.

truthtruth · 09/01/2018 15:05

I know googling was not a great idea and to be honest I thought we'd maybe find some embarrassing FB pics or maybe something that threw some light on his 'friend' but DH makes the FBI look slack when he gets his teeth into something.

I know we have all been a bit silly in the first flushes but the fact that she is dismissing his anger and possessives as love and insecurity worries me. She is a kind and lovely person who would do anything for anyone and I worry he is taking advantage of that.

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truthtruth · 09/01/2018 15:07

I didn't mind the lies about his career so much but it seems to be a pattern.

Exactly Emma - he can't hide them forever but why is he hiding them at all? If he wants them to be together forever he should be telling her the full story on this. She has a right to know. But I don't want to be the one t o tell it, if I am honest.

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Emmageddon · 09/01/2018 15:15

You could pretend that 'someone else' told you he used to be married and has a child? Some random person you met at work recently or something along those lines.

Mooncuplanding · 09/01/2018 15:17

I think your friend has enough data to know that he really isn't the one. Should she choose to be listening.

I don't think your data will change her mind

I would just ask a few probers - "Has he really never been married?"

"What was he doing before this business venture?"

"What is he doing to treat his MH issues?"

"does he want children? Why not?"

Figrollsnotfatrolls · 09/01/2018 15:22

Please tell her before she ia meeting up with you to show you a positive pregnancy test or engagement ring.
You are her friend - even if she dumps you it will be worth it to save her from herself.
Google, screenshot, print and hand her your findings. Tell her you are there is she wants to talk. Let her process it alone.
You sound a great friend so prove it.

truthtruth · 09/01/2018 15:22

I think he is the only one she is listening to Mooncup. She is normally a great judge of character. In her job she is fierce and an advocate for the 'underdog' - she can usually spot a bullshitter a mile off. But like I said, til she told me about the anger issues I would never have dreamed it so he's good at hiding it. And whatever else. Urgh.

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fairylightsdown · 09/01/2018 15:43

I would run a mile if I were him. Your friend wanted him to cut one of his close friends out of his life for her because she was jealous .. someone he had only been dating for a few months at the time.

You and your OH should stay out of it too.

user1493413286 · 09/01/2018 15:50

It sounds like there are a lot of red flags there already so just based on that I would tell your friend but be prepared for the fact that she may get defensive and won’t want to hear it.
I think it’s worth the risk though as if the relationship deteriorates, particularly his anger gets worse and possessiveness increases you need to have done everything you can at this stage.
Just dont pressure her to end the relationship based on what you’ve found as she needs to make her own decisions

theredjellybean · 09/01/2018 15:51

Playing devil's advocate... Maybe his ex wife made it very difficult for him to see his child. Maybe he is one of those men who decide to not be in the child's life if they are very pt fathers and there is a new present step parent on the scene (I don't think this is good BTW just suggesting alternative scenario).
Maybe talking about child and ex wife too painful for him. Maybe he is embarrassed about it or his past failures.
Lots of people gloss over previous career failures as they want to present themselves as a success to new partner.

OP... You have some info but not the full picture.. And you maybe jumping to a lot of wrong conclusions.

You say you saw him with his friend? What exactly did you see? If they were in full on snog then yep I'd be telling but if they were having a business meeting... Errr... What is so wrong about that?

This guy clearly comes with history as I am sure we all do... The friend appears to be a friend at the moment... No hard evidence for anything else

truthtruth · 09/01/2018 15:54

I wish we had at this stage fairylights but seeing her swing from happy to misery and back again was upsetting. In her defence, she never asked him to cut the friend off. He did that willingly. Said she was being very bitter about their relationship and trying to cause trouble so it was for the best. Who knows if that is actually true.

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MorrisZapp · 09/01/2018 15:55

I don't get the Facebook bit. Surely she has seen all of his Facebook account?

truthtruth · 09/01/2018 15:58

Morris - it wasn't his Facebook it was someone connected to him. And was pretty clear.

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abbsisspartacus · 09/01/2018 15:59

You reading the same as us fairy lights?

MorrisZapp · 09/01/2018 16:01

If it's easy to find she'll find it. We all have the same Google. Even if she did know, he'd find a way to talk her round. It's her choice to be with him.

truthtruth · 09/01/2018 16:05

I don't know Morris - I wouldn't have found it. DH is a bit terrifying when it comes to IT skills. I really wish I was putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5 but I don't think I am. He has purposefully lied about the marriage and kids thing. If you really see yourself having a future with someone you'd respect them enough to tell them.

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truthtruth · 09/01/2018 16:08

And getting help for the anger - he told her it was for her. It was his friend who got him into it, he didn't do it for B.
I have asked her if she's afraid of him and she says no, but will sometimes let things go rather than argue in case he goes off. At 6 months they should be worried about not farting in front of each other, not whether she'll send him off in anger.

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constantchange · 09/01/2018 16:47

You need to tell her!

rcit · 09/01/2018 16:49

Print the lot out.

Risk the friendship and tell her otherwise She is condemned to a life of misery with no children and a wanker

trevthecat · 09/01/2018 18:38

I agree with pp's screenshot, print, give. She needs to know. Even if she doesn't listen. In a few months time they may end and if she finds out you knew this stuff and didn't tell her she will never forgive you. Yes she may be annoyed with you for telling her now, she might stop talking to you but it's the right thing to do. She needs to know and eventually she will thank you for it

truthtruth · 09/01/2018 18:42

thanks everyone. I will talk to her. I would rather chew my own arm off. Wish me luck.

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