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PILS - How can I stop all this helping out without looking like the bad guy?

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WanderingJules · 29/12/2017 13:07

My dh is the youngest of 2 sons.

DBIL is the favoured son, can do no wrong, but doesn’t help his parents out with anything, always an excuse. So, if PILS want a lift somewhere which is often, somehow DBILS car isn’t available at the time, his wife has gone out in it. They only live around the corner from PILS, we live 5 miles away.

The requests for lifts are asked long before the event, so we know it’s been done deliberately. When dh gives them lifts, it’s in my car, which she hates, and says so, but it is practical. She wants a lift in dh’s car, which is ‘posh’ as she calls it, but impractical.

My dh is less favoured, yet has been lumped with, yes you’ve guessed it, all the helping out. The lifts, help with online shopping etc, yet his parents consistently talk down to him, and if I make it obvious I can see what’s going on (calling them out on it) then I’m the bad guy. They also know I went NC with my toxic parents 2 years ago, which has made them a bit hostile towards me anyway.

Xmas Day was spent in a miserable tone, listening to his dm talk down to us, talking about her intolerance to black and gay people, fat shaming people, how slim she is, hated the fact that I ate less than her as I don’t like sprouts or stuffing, so I had less on my plate. So upset was she, that she had to leave a lot on her plate to make a point 🙄.

So anyway what really upset me most on Xmas was when dh brought up the time he had testicular cancer. (This happened four years back, which was an horrendous time as you can imagine, but his cancer turned out to be easily treatable).

He’d only mentioned it as he’d just had his f/up at Christie’s a couple of days before, and to confirm all went well. Cue much eye rolling from MIL. “Oh that again. Well, It’s gone now (shrugs shoulders) and I know such n such who had it worse than you. Also such n such up the road. And mrs Jones ex son in law from 20 years ago had it worse than you, and next doors cat also”. I mean ok, it was treatable, he was liucky, but at the time, it was a dark period for us, but our feelings about it totally dismissed.

Everything dh does or says gets shot down in flames or dismissed, his type of music, where we live etc whereas DBIL is put on a pedestal and doesn’t help out. Sorry, I’m repeating myself.

And I’ve had enough. I hate seeing him try to extricate any interest out of her, and not get anything in return, yet is expected to help out with everything. FIL had a stroke a few years ago, which has rendered him disabled, a word she uses at every opportunity, so he can’t\won’t say anything, just lets her carry on. As you can imagine, things are going to get tougher as they get older and dh is going to suffer.

I know after reading many posts that it’s a situation dh has to sort as it’s his family, but I know he daren’t say anything.

I don’t expect him to go NC like me, but I hate seeing how they are, and even when I call them on it, they carry on. They are nasty.
How can I get them to see that DBIL needs to step up too. And dh to step down? Sorry for the long post.

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SeaCabbage · 29/12/2017 13:12

Only your husband can change the dynamic as your PILs have no desire to.

Quite simply he needs to be less available. Have some stock answers as to why he can't do x, y or z and always end the communication with "try BIL."

ginghamstarfish · 29/12/2017 13:16

Sorry for you and your DH, but as you say it's really up to him to see what his parents are like and to do something. Can he not speak to his brother? Perhaps you and he should not be available all the time, and see if the BIL steps up, or call the BIL in advance to tell him you can't do it. Otherwise provide them with numbers for taxi firms locally or if it's hospital appointments etc give them details of Red Cross transport. I know it's hard, and I am now NC with my vile sisters, but if you're not brought up to speak plainly then it can be almost impossible to break through this and address bad behaviour from family. Perhaps it is up to you to stand up to them more firmly when they are slagging off you and DH - maybe he will follow your lead. Horrible situation.

WanderingJules · 29/12/2017 13:31

When I have called them out on it, he begs me to stop. Says in his own words, they’ll make his life even more Hell. So not sure how I can stand up to them more, when he gets distressed.

When they ring the house phone, I let it go to answerphone, and have tried to encourage him to do it also. Bit by bit. They are on caller ID, so we know it’s them ringing. Once, she rang, I answered, I said he was busy, she has rang his mobile in a matter of seconds....

His DBIL talks to him like his mother does, 2 peas in a pod.....

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WanderingJules · 29/12/2017 13:39

They get taxis once in a blue moon (10 years) when we can’t do it, but by God do we get the ‘FIL is disabled, and we had to get a taxi, how horrible for a pair of pensioners to have to get a taxi’ guilt trip next time we see them. Might mention the Red Cross transport. But no, it’s the cosy car they really want, and good old MrWandering to ferry them around. Sorry, getting bitter..

We mention DBIL, but we get ohhh no, we don’t like to disturb him, really’, car was not available etc

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Santasbigredbobblehat · 29/12/2017 13:42

Is moving away too drastic?

Tinselistacky · 29/12/2017 13:47

Maybe explain to dh if he doesn't wean them off him now he is going to end up their ft carer as it sure as hell won't be you! Remind him his priority it to you, your marriage +dc +your home. He isn't an only dc and he needs to keep that at the forefront of his mind.

PilarTernera · 29/12/2017 13:49

I know after reading many posts that it’s a situation dh has to sort as it’s his family, but I know he daren’t say anything.

You have answered your own question there. It's a situation dh has to sort. From the sound of things, he can't or won't do that.

WanderingJules · 29/12/2017 13:52

@Santa’s, I have dreamt of that, but no, dh would feel too guilty, due to FOG and not seeing nephews and nieces, plus the mortgage has been paid off and the house is almost how we want it to be.

Plus, It’s not like they’d visit anyway due to taxis/disabled/dbil not available/sun too hot/rain too cold/not interested in us/Donald Trump being President...

They only visited us twice and that was before FILS stroke. We have been here 20 years....

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hellsbellsmelons · 29/12/2017 13:55

Google 'FOG' Fear Obligation Guilt.
Get your DH to read up on it.

Also get him THIS BOOK
he needs to read and digest it so may need to re-read it.
THIS BOOK also looks good. Might be worth trying to get him to read that as well if he has a kindle.

You can only respond for yourself.
So if you don't want to see them anymore then you need to say so.
He can see them but you are OUT of it.

WanderingJules · 29/12/2017 14:03

Joking aside, @Tinsel he knows what they are like and I’ve said to him it’ll get worse, not better.

@Pilar, I realise I answered my own question re: dh sorting this out. Was hoping somebody could give me a magical solution, like untraceable poison😂

He is getting fed up though, as am I, so going to have to have a big talk with him. And talk to DBIL....

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WanderingJules · 29/12/2017 14:11

@Hells thanks. To be honest, I don’t want to see them, ever, but I need to keep seeing them with him, as I’m worried they’ll turn him against me. He is under FOG.

They know I have gone NC with my parents and I think they’re scared I’ll turn him against them....if that makes sense.

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Angelf1sh · 29/12/2017 14:17

You can’t. You can only change your response to it. Either stop listening to it (basically go NC) or stop letting it bother you (you don’t like her so why on earth would you care what she thinks about anything?). If you OH wants to continue to dance to their tune then he can but you don’t have to. Ultimately he’ll get fed up of it or he’ll be genuinely unable to help out and will resent the inevitable poor response.

Aminuts23 · 29/12/2017 14:22

This is a very difficult situation and I feel for you. My ex was an only child and had the parents from hell. They were insulting, belittling, demanding, abusive, unreasonable and manipulative. On one occasion things came to a head and we went NC with them. They were all so pig headed and stubborn. Ex acknowledged being NC was far more relaxing but ultimately he couldn’t maintain it. I did try again but nothing changed. I haven’t seen ex or his parents for over 2 years now. I think in your situation your DH needs to resolve this and he also needs to deal with his brother. It’s a helpless situation for you to be in. Not nice at all Flowers

FinallyHere · 29/12/2017 15:19

but by God do we get the ‘FIL is disabled, and we had ... how horrible for a pair of pensioners to have to get a taxi’ guilt trip next time we see them

I'm afraid there is your immediate issue right there, giving a shit about the guilt trip. What would it take for you (both) to decide what to do for pil, do that and no more, and recognise that they might complain but ... that that's their issue. Whatever it takes, do it.

Places to look are your own self esteem, so that you are not seeking their approval, just occasionally, as often as you chose to, help them out. No more, no less. All the best.

Coyoacan · 29/12/2017 15:57

I don't agree that he should abandon his parents at this stage in their life, personally, but it would be good if he dealt with his feelings in all this. I find my friends who were the least favoured in their families are always the ones who are there for their parents in their old age, which is fine as somebody has to be, but it's that eternal search for a mother's and/or father's love that is so sad.

WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 08:49

@Coyo, no, he won’t abandon his parents, ever, but I told him last night that I will be stepping back my visits.

I told him how unhappy I was seeing how they undervalue him as a son, and hated how he was spoken at on Xmas Day re: his cancer.

Also, that if they want a lift, they can have one in dh’s car. It is impractical compared to mine, and I think it’ll teach her a lesson when she tries to get out of it....I would like to be a fly on the wall at that point (...or in the car..)
His Dad will be in the front so he’ll be ok, she’ll be sat in the back.....
Yeah exactly why is that it’s the least favoured in their families that are the ones there for the families? It’s almost like the favoured ones are a protected species, not having to lift a finger.......

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WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 08:58

*for the parents, not the families I meant.
I told also, it’s up to him if he wants to carry on as he is, or scale down his visits/lifts and he needs to keep mentioning DBIL...
He sat there, like “ ....oh”.
So let’s see what the NY brings...

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DownTownAbbey · 30/12/2017 09:03

My dad was an identical twin and my gran still managed to shoe horn in a golden child and it wasn't my DF! My DF mowed her lawn and did all DIY and took her on holiday and she would tell everyone it was his twin who'd done it. I hated the old bag.

Your husband needs counselling or therapy before anything will change. I hope he manages not to care when they whine eventually. Good luck.

ChickenMom · 30/12/2017 09:17

I’m guessing DBil is favoured because he doesn’t put up with their crap. Your DH needs to develop a backbone and then they won’t talk to him like that. It’s not acceptable behaviour and she does it because your DH enables it, next time she asks for a lift say no! She needs to get taxis from now on. When she’s rude your DH needs to say “stop being rude or we won’t take your calls for the next month” and then do it! It’s the only way. Get him some counselling so he can learn to stand up to her

WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 09:22

@Downtown, that is cruel. So angry on your Dads behalf 😡.

That’s the bit that worries me...regarding holidays. Currently, they go on Thomson Gold holidays, in rooms that are catered for the disabled, and airport wheelchair etc. MIL helps FIL get dressed etc, but as she is small and getting older, all this will catch up with her. I dearly hope she doesn’t think.......

Dh knows what I went through with my parents (I’ve read Toxic Parents, found a few light bulb scenarios), and we have a close bond knowing that we have been through the same. As he said last night, we understood each other.

My mother hardly ever asked me to help with anything. I thought that was great, until I found out she had been telling other familiy members that she had been continuously asking me to help with things, and I kept refusing. Made me look like the daughter from Hell.

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ohfortuna · 30/12/2017 09:25

They know I have gone NC with my parents and I think they’re scared I’ll turn him against them....if that makes sense

It makes total sense, they will feel that their power is hugely threatened by the fact that you rebelled against parental authority in this way.
They will be wanting to crush you as soon as possible in case you influence their son and he stops deferring to them.

WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 09:29

@ChickenMom, yes DBIL is the favoured child, though he does stick up for dh sometimes. He wasn’t there on Xmas Day though (another story), which is why poor dh and I were the captive audience/victims of her diatribe.

After last nights heart to heart with dh, I think he is now seeing the light. Let’s see.
Re: counselling. I can’t see that happening, but I’ll mention it.

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WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 09:36

@ChickenMom, sorry hope I didn’t come across as abrupt at the end there, thanks for your input xx

@Ohfortuna, MIL was furious when I went NC with my parents. We’ve never been close, but by God, any kind of relationship I had with her went downhill rapidly...she knows I’m on to her, she knows I’m listening to every word, and ask her constantly to repeat herself when she says something nasty. She hates it. I’m seen as a troublemaker, I think.

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ohfortuna · 30/12/2017 09:45

she knows I’m on to her, she knows I’m listening to every word, and ask her constantly to repeat herself when she says something nasty. She hates it
Nice work 😉keep it up 👍
There's a good chance that she is massively over playing her hand with your husband... Imagining that his loyalty to her is much greater than his loyalty to you.

WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 09:52

That’s what she’d like to think @ohfortuna.

Since going NC with my parents, I have found, or finding, a voice. Years of keeping things in are now finding their way out. Part of it might be I’m going through the change, and also becoming intolerant with age. This is becoming very useful atm.

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