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PILS - How can I stop all this helping out without looking like the bad guy?

61 replies

WanderingJules · 29/12/2017 13:07

My dh is the youngest of 2 sons.

DBIL is the favoured son, can do no wrong, but doesn’t help his parents out with anything, always an excuse. So, if PILS want a lift somewhere which is often, somehow DBILS car isn’t available at the time, his wife has gone out in it. They only live around the corner from PILS, we live 5 miles away.

The requests for lifts are asked long before the event, so we know it’s been done deliberately. When dh gives them lifts, it’s in my car, which she hates, and says so, but it is practical. She wants a lift in dh’s car, which is ‘posh’ as she calls it, but impractical.

My dh is less favoured, yet has been lumped with, yes you’ve guessed it, all the helping out. The lifts, help with online shopping etc, yet his parents consistently talk down to him, and if I make it obvious I can see what’s going on (calling them out on it) then I’m the bad guy. They also know I went NC with my toxic parents 2 years ago, which has made them a bit hostile towards me anyway.

Xmas Day was spent in a miserable tone, listening to his dm talk down to us, talking about her intolerance to black and gay people, fat shaming people, how slim she is, hated the fact that I ate less than her as I don’t like sprouts or stuffing, so I had less on my plate. So upset was she, that she had to leave a lot on her plate to make a point 🙄.

So anyway what really upset me most on Xmas was when dh brought up the time he had testicular cancer. (This happened four years back, which was an horrendous time as you can imagine, but his cancer turned out to be easily treatable).

He’d only mentioned it as he’d just had his f/up at Christie’s a couple of days before, and to confirm all went well. Cue much eye rolling from MIL. “Oh that again. Well, It’s gone now (shrugs shoulders) and I know such n such who had it worse than you. Also such n such up the road. And mrs Jones ex son in law from 20 years ago had it worse than you, and next doors cat also”. I mean ok, it was treatable, he was liucky, but at the time, it was a dark period for us, but our feelings about it totally dismissed.

Everything dh does or says gets shot down in flames or dismissed, his type of music, where we live etc whereas DBIL is put on a pedestal and doesn’t help out. Sorry, I’m repeating myself.

And I’ve had enough. I hate seeing him try to extricate any interest out of her, and not get anything in return, yet is expected to help out with everything. FIL had a stroke a few years ago, which has rendered him disabled, a word she uses at every opportunity, so he can’t\won’t say anything, just lets her carry on. As you can imagine, things are going to get tougher as they get older and dh is going to suffer.

I know after reading many posts that it’s a situation dh has to sort as it’s his family, but I know he daren’t say anything.

I don’t expect him to go NC like me, but I hate seeing how they are, and even when I call them on it, they carry on. They are nasty.
How can I get them to see that DBIL needs to step up too. And dh to step down? Sorry for the long post.

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Kintan · 30/12/2017 10:04

Apologies if you’ve mentioned this, but do you have children and if so do your PiL talk rudely to your husband in from of them? That alone would make me want to go completely non contact with them..

WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 10:14

@Kintan, no we don’t have children, but if we had, yes I think we’d definitely have gone NC with them if they spoke to them like they speak to dh.

DBIL has children,(now adults) and she loves them, but they are the golden boy’s children after all, so, as lovely as they are, I think part of it is that.

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WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 10:19

Hope I didn’t sound awful with that last paragraph, I think it might have sounded bitter. DBILS children are fab, and we have a great relationship with them xx

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LadyLapsang · 30/12/2017 10:37

Has your DH tried having a serious conversation with his DB about sharing the load / fairness, so they can take a joint approach.

Fishface77 · 30/12/2017 10:46

reduce contact for yourself OP but it's up to your husband to do that for himself.
It would help if he were to become less available. Say he's doing extra hours at work or car problems etc.
Gently ease back.
I have to be honest I would have Lost my shit with her when she tried to dismiss DHs prostate cancer. Nasty woman.

WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 11:21

@Fishface, yes that’s what is going to happen, reduced contact from him and none from me. I appreciate its up o him if he wants to carry on seeing them, but he has my back.

In the New Year, I think it’s time to have a ‘cold light of day’ cards on the table type of talk with h

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WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 11:23

Oops.....type of talk with him, set clear boundaries. Last nights talk was with alcohol involved, but he understood what I was saying, at least.

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MoKnickers · 30/12/2017 11:32

I’d be being absolutely gloves off, no holds barred, don’t hold your tongue at all honest with them. With a bit of luck they’ll bar you from the house.

Seriously let dh get on with it but I couldn’t stick around to watch him be treated like a twat.

WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 11:44

@MoKnickers: I wish they would bar me from the house, but they won’t because their scared dh will follow me out......

Got to go out now, but will check in later. Thanks for all your input.
Loads to think about 💐💐

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WanderingJules · 30/12/2017 11:44

*they are scared, not their.

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MoKnickers · 30/12/2017 13:44

So you can say what you like then? Result!

Or ask difficult questions in a perfectly pleasant, neutral voice - “Why is it that BIL never does a thing for you and DH does, but you speak to DH like he’s scum? I’ve always wondered”.

ohfortuna · 30/12/2017 15:14

I wish they would bar me from the house, but they won’t because their scared dh will follow me out
you have all the power here

dorislessingscat · 30/12/2017 15:29

Exactly the same here except with DH's (much older) sister. Although DH is more immune to the emotional blackmail the whole situation makes me tense and unhappy.

My sympathies.

WanderingJules · 31/12/2017 13:34

Just received a phone call from MIL, asking if we fancied going out for Sunday lunch next weekend. She spoke to dh, and he asked if ok with me.

I said no, (too soon after Xmas day for my liking, and I want us both to get out and about ourselves next weekend), so I suggested the weekend after. So that’s sorted, better than just the 4 of us at PILS (shudder).

So I said to dh, we’ll pick them up in his car, the most impractical one of the 2, think 4 seater convertible with small seats at the back, FIL and dh at the front who are tall, so their seats will be pulled right back.

I don’t think she realises how cramped it is in the back, so I cannot wait to see the discomfort on her face when trying to climb in/out.

And seeing as she doesn’t like my (very practical) car with plenty of space in the back, she won’t be getting in it ever again.
Maybe she might start backing off with the lifts then 😁😁😁

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WanderingJules · 31/12/2017 13:39

@Doris: it’s very worrying how many people are like this, isn’t it? The amount of books out there about toxic parents/sisters/brothers is astounding.

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rothbury · 31/12/2017 14:33

It won't be long before DH is pressurised into buying a different car......

I am surprised you agreed to go to lunch with them, I thought you were going to go NC? Can't DH go on his own?

rothbury · 31/12/2017 14:34

Or is it just so you can see her try to get in and out of the car? Xmas Grin

WanderingJules · 31/12/2017 14:43

@rothbury: yes 😂 honestly. I really have to see this. It’s worth the pain of crushed legs in the back.

Then after that, if she doesn’t like it, well tough, it’s either his car or none/speak to DBIL for lift.

No, I don’t think they’ll go that far re: buying a different car. He loves that car, we both do, so it’s not going anywhere.

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WanderingJules · 31/12/2017 14:45

Yes, I’m going NC though.

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littletinyme1 · 01/01/2018 00:23

Why don't you challenge her...EVERY SINGLE TIME. DmIL i kniw you are sad your DS1 isn'there for Christmas Day lunch and it's just us, but there is no need to take it out on husband by being so dismissive of his scary illness. Or MIL i know you find it hard to deal with how scary that time was for you, but we have to allow DH to talk about how frightening it was for him too. Use my car? Oh no, i am sorry. I understand that you hate it. I wouldn't dream of making you travel in my little runabout. Little jokes about, being busy, or phoning for that lovely taxi driver who helps FIL when he gives you a ride.

Don't let her get away with anything and then see how many shitty comments she makes. I would declare war on the evil witch. Call it one of your NY resolutions - calling bullshit on bullshitters... you know for your mental health and all. Explain easy come, easy go to DH. The more he tries to please them, the less they value him. If he wants their love, he needs to do less not more.

WanderingJules · 01/01/2018 15:02

@littletinyme: believe me, something will be said.

Dh and I had a row last night, of all nights, (had a few to drink), and he said it was probably best if I didn’t go and see them anymore, and that MIL is still disgusted at me for going NC with my parents. That was 2 years ago now.

Part of me says that is the best way to go, and the other part is worrying whether she is going to turn him against me, by planting all sorts in his head while I’m not around.
He hasn’t said anything about it today, we apologised to each other though.
I really want to say much more to her, but I don’t even want to be in her company right now anyway.
It’s awful, really, that it’ll be 2 sets of parents that I’ll be NC with, not just the one.

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WanderingJules · 01/01/2018 15:05

I did say to dh that if he explains to her how insignificant she made him feel, she might listen, and not have realised ...said the angel on my shoulder.
Bollocks.....said the devil on the other one.

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WanderingJules · 01/01/2018 15:10

I don’t think my post made any sense. I think I’m still hungover 😵

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DPotter · 01/01/2018 15:20

Made perfect sense to me

PilarTernera · 01/01/2018 15:42

Part of me says that is the best way to go, and the other part is worrying whether she is going to turn him against me.

I think your dh is right, NC would be best.

I think you are overestimating her influence on your dh. Yes he is under FOG, but you may be underestimating the influence of his love for you.