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Looking for experiences of living with a moody husband

53 replies

Magicmonster · 21/12/2017 21:02

My husband is increasingly moody and negative. He has a superiority complex, and he is always right and everyone else is ‘incompetent’, including (often) me. He has always been this way to an extent, but it has definitely got worse over the 8 years we have been married. We now have two small children, including a baby, so I appreciate part of it probably stems from tiredness and the fact we have very little down time. However, it does not in my opinion excuse his constant criticism and negativity, much of which revolves around me ‘never doing anything properly’ (eg not emptying dishwasher in the same way he would do it, not folding towels correctly!) and not being tidy enough. I think these criticisms are unwarranted and are pretty minor issues to get so worked up about, but even if they were not, his approach to ‘dealing’ with them is creating a very negative atmosphere. He will often walk round the house huffing and puffing and tutting and muttering how I never do anything properly. If I try to talk to him about why I haven’t done something or other or question his methods he will often accuse me of shouting at him or say it’s not worth talking to me if I am going to be ‘like that’. He’s not always like this, but it’s getting more and more frequent. Lately he has also started occasionally swearing at me or telling me I’m stupid or to shut up in front of the kids, which I think is completely unacceptable. I have suggested counselling but he thinks we don’t need to go. Truthfully speaking, if we didn’t have kids I would be gone. The constant talking down to me and zapping all positivity is whittling away any respect I had for him. But we do have kids and I have seen the issues that divorce caused amongst my friends when I was young, so I don’t want to give up on the marriage unless I absolutely have to. I also know however that it’s not good for kids to grow up seeing him speak to me like that and thinking that’s how you speak to other people. Ideally therefore I don’t want to leave but want to get him to change - not a complete personality transplant as I know that’s impossible - just enough to show me some respect. I have tried talking to him about it and he always says ‘well if you weren’t so messy, etc’. I explain that even if I was messy it doesn’t excuse speaking to me like that, esp in front of the kids. He rarely ever admits he’s wrong but will sometimes improve for a day or two. And then back to his old ways. So what I am looking for is any experiences others have had, positive or negative, of trying to stay with a man like this. Or of living with a father like this, as I am keen to see things from my kids standpoint too. Thanks!

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Middleoftheroad · 21/12/2017 21:06

I can't post properly right now but didn't want to leave you waiting. This is so wrong OP - this is abuse and please don't tolerate it.

Others will be along to support but you and DCs deserve better. Skme decency.

pollydollymolly · 21/12/2017 21:18

Are you married to my husband?

LizzieSiddal · 21/12/2017 21:25

I don’t have any experience of this but you are so wrong to think you need to stay for the children.

As they get older he will start doing exactly the same to them. Please don’t subject them to that! You and your dc deserve to live in a calm, peaceful environment. I bet you’re treading on eggshells most if the time.

If this were my H, he’d either agree to counselling or I would separate from him.

FinnegansCake · 21/12/2017 21:26

He is unlikely to change. In all likelihood he will get worse as time goes by. Do you want to spend your life walking on eggshells? Neither you nor he will be good role models for your children if he continues to speak to you like this and you allow him to do so.

Magicmonster · 21/12/2017 22:26

Thanks very much for your views everyone.

FinnegansCake - that’s my main concern, that we are both being poor role models for the children at the moment and in the future. They are only young (3 and 6 months) but I can see it really impacting them as they grow up. When he does say unkind things I do usually explain calmly that it is not right to speak to me like that but he then just usually gets more grumpy and I usually end up having to walk away so that I don’t end up shouting at him!

That being said, he can be a good husband. When we have faced very difficult times (very sick child) he was supportive and less of an idiot. He also has good points in that he is a hands on dad and does lots of stuff round the house. But then I guess these people are never 100 percent bad or no one would ever weigh up whether to stay - it would be a clear cut decision!

It just seems such a shame to break up a family and deal with all the emotional and financial stress that would entail for us all when it could all be solved by him just being a bit nicer!!

I guess I would never feel able to leave unless I did everything I could to see if the relationship is salvageable, so I will go to counselling in the new year, alone if necessary. Maybe I am being a pain in some ways (aren’t we all) and by altering my behaviours a bit we can live a bit more harmoniously - but without me walking on egg shells or having to completely change who I am obviously. And if not I will know I have done everything possible.

I am not usually walking on eggshells at the moment. I do generally try to do things the way he likes and sometimes be careful how I phrase things as I like an easy life and live in hope that if I do x y z he may actually be happy, but I’m not walking around in fear of him or anything.

LizzieSiddall - I do agree that if he sees me go to counselling and refuses to go that is a really bad sign that he is just not taking any of this seriously.

Poly dolly molly - sorry that you are going through something similar!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/12/2017 22:26

Not surprised to read that he won't go to counselling; they never do. It would not make any difference even if he did because he would still blame you for all his faults. It is not your fault that he has decided to conduct his own private based war against you. His actions are all about having power and control. Abusive men too are not nasty all the time but the nice/nasty cycle of abuse is a continuous one. Like many abusers as well he has ramped up the abuse of you over time too.

What are his parents like OP; his dad likely acts just the same towards his mother. We after all learn about relationships first and foremost from our parents. Is this really what you want to teach your children about relationships, some legacy that is going to be for them if you choose to stay. They won't thank you for staying with someone like their dad.

Joint counselling with emotionally abusive men like you describe is never recommended. I would suggest counselling for yourself alone to help you move on and ultimately away from this man. It will do your children no favours at all to see what is basically a loveless and abusive marriage being played out in front of them for them to potentially emulate themselves in their own adult relationships.

You wrote that if it was not for the children you'd be long gone. I put it to you that it is for them as well as you that you should plan your leaving from this loveless and crap example of a marriage. Staying for the children is never a good idea; you cannot use them as the glue to bind you and he together.

Womens Aid are worth contacting as well on 0808 2000 247.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/12/2017 22:31

"I am not usually walking on eggshells at the moment. I do generally try to do things the way he likes and sometimes be careful how I phrase things as I like an easy life and live in hope that if I do x y z he may actually be happy, but I’m not walking around in fear of him or anything".

That is so sad, you've basically tried to modify all your behaviour around him to try and avoid the next outburst from him. This is precisely what women in abusive relationships do. Problem is that he will keep moving the goalposts so you will be always on the backfoot when it comes to him. He will never be reasonable towards you and such men do not change. And no, he is neither a good husband or a good father to his children if he treats you like this.

It takes two to make a relationship and he is not interested in doing anything other than blaming you for his inherent ills. He neither wants your help or support. You cannot be a rescuer or saviour in a relationship and or get stuck on the sunken costs fallacy (a bad investment is not going to suddenly turn good). Its over due to his abuse of you and in turn these children.

pallisers · 21/12/2017 22:35

He will often walk round the house huffing and puffing and tutting and muttering how I never do anything properly. If I try to talk to him about why I haven’t done something or other or question his methods he will often accuse me of shouting at him or say it’s not worth talking to me if I am going to be ‘like that’. Lately he has also started occasionally swearing at me or telling me I’m stupid or to shut up in front of the kids, which I think is completely unacceptable

All of this is completely unacceptable and I think it is going to get worse not better - it is already getting worse.

If he will not go to a counselor or thinks that a reasonable response to being a moody shouty swearing fucker is "well if you did what I wanted it wouldn't happen" then the only thing I can think of is to go completely nuclear the next time he does it. Escalate it completely and tell him you won't tolerate one shout or swear - stand up and shout back at him. Then tell him unless he changes you want a divorce - now.

I think if he is frightened enough he may take it seriously. Otherwise this is his new normal and he is just fine with it.

(The huffing and puffing would be enough for me - moodiness is a trigger for me -- it is a shit way to live and your children won't thank you)

tobitcoinornottobitcoin · 21/12/2017 22:40

This is no way to live OP, it sounds like hell. He is abusive.

desperatelyseekingcruising · 21/12/2017 22:45

OP this post is so sad. You basically live your life trying to please him in order that you may have a happier life. You are right to be concerned about the example you are setting for your children.

My advice would be to go and make a life for yourself and your children that you enjoy. Yes there may be some fallout initially, but can you honestly see yourself doing this for the next twenty years?

Lily2007 · 21/12/2017 23:01

My DH can be like that, I suspect he's got OCPD. We've stayed together and reasonably happy but have had to find ways to work round it. He does a lot more tasks than me so he can have it how he wants and suits me as he does more chores. I would suggest he folds the towels etc so he can have them perfect.

When he's stressed anti depressants help him. Also I've found the best way is just to look after yourself and the kids and stand up for yourself. Mine got better as the kids got older, he was unbearable when the kids were tiny and used to come home and moan about anything being out of place.

Maelstrop · 22/12/2017 00:33

Emotional abuse. You don’t want to put the kids through a divorce but you’ll put them through years of witnessing emotional abuse? And him treating them in the same negative fashion? How is this fair on you or your dc?

SausageChipsAndCurrySauce · 22/12/2017 00:42

Personally I would leave him to his dishwasher stacking, tidying and towel folding forevermore. It is easier to leave when children are younger, than when they are older, by which time he would have eroded their self esteem too, leaving you with a whole host of other psychological issues to manage as well as your own.

GreenTulips · 22/12/2017 00:50

DH was a bit like this

I went on strike
The mess 'wasn't mine' when did I have time to get anything of mine out? Toys belong to the kids!!

Have a stock phrase 'How would you manage as a single father?'
'Well when you get your own place you cans talc the dishwasher anyway you please'
'Maybe you could hire a slave?'

Give him food for thought!

Other than that, the phase is 'if moms happy, everyone's happy' and think about you and your happiness and where that lies

Zaphodsotherhead · 22/12/2017 07:40

My mother was like that. I never did figure out her 'special way' of folding the towels...I suspect, certainly in her case, it was a way of imposing control over what she felt was a chaotic world.
But it was hell to live with and you have my sympathy OP. She never changed, and I left home ASAP.

DayKay · 22/12/2017 07:52

If you don’t think you want to leave him then you have to call him out every time he does something. Tell him he’s not your boss and you’ll do things how you want to.
Tell him he’s abusive and living with him is horrible. You should not be walking on eggshells in your own home.
Good luck but I doubt he’ll change though.

Dozer · 22/12/2017 07:55

Emotional abuse. If you can afford it go to counselling alone.

Wishingandwaiting · 22/12/2017 07:56

Go on gransnet

Read the heartbreaking threads of women in their 60s/70s, married for 40 odd years to grumpy men who have worn them down.

Now facing last decades their life looking back on an unhappy life.

I was married to a man like this. A good, honest man. But he struggled to see the good in life, he was argumentative, he was pessimistic.

Now, we are divorced, but good friends and co parents wonderfully together. I too have two young children. It’s scary but NO regrets. None.

Hernameisdeborah · 22/12/2017 07:59

Big hug and hand hold from me OP. I could so easily have written your post and the strain of trying desperately to avoid annoying your DH and fearing the next bout of complaining and the telling off for not matching expectations, day in day out, is exhausting. Constantly practicing phrases in my head before saying them to him in order to ensure there's nothing in there that can annoy him, for instance. I hope you do find a way out. Xx

MessyBun247 · 22/12/2017 08:01

Please don’t subject your children to this. They can pick up on tension from a young age. It will affect them. Your husband doesn’t want to change. He’s happy to control you, blame you for everything, beat you down emotionally. You are scared to be yourself, scared to stand up to him.

Do you want to waste the rest of your life living like this? Honestly it is no way to live.

LunaTheCat · 22/12/2017 08:07

That sounds like an awful situation and he is being abussive. He also sounds quite controlling. Men who behave like this can also be quite lovely at times and so you can end up feeling like you are the problem. If he won’t take any notice or show any remorse when you talk to him or take any responsibility for his behaviour then he is unlikely to change and you cannot change him.
Children I think are better off with parents separating than watching their Mum be slowly destroyed.
Heartbreaking. Good luck with your decision and find a good counsellor.

dontquotemeondailymail · 22/12/2017 08:21

Oh my, you're absolutely married to my husband!

Thanks
WasDoingFine · 22/12/2017 08:22

Hi OP. My marriage was like this for years. I eventually did feel l was walking on eggshells as l knew we'd grown apart and l didn't want to cause any issues that would drive that wedge further.

I would have to think how l asked my ex to do stuff so he wouldn't go in a strop and become monosymbolic for the next few days.

I wouldn't do stuff eg enter a competition in my hobby incase l wasn't successful as it would be another thing that l felt he would be disappointed about with me.

I have felt very unloved and not wanted for years but l never gave up on my marriage and l probably never would have. He left me 6 months ago for someone else and l don't miss him at all. My children are 14 and 10yrs and it has been hard on them as they are so aware of what's happened.

One big thing that has made me realise how unloved and disrespected l have been has been the reactions from others. I have had several comments about how awful he spoke to me in front of them so l know l haven't been imagining it or interpretating it wrong.... as l apparently always did when l did confront him on it in the beginning. These last few years though l haven't as it never got me anywhere. These people who have commented have been friend's/family but a couple were just acquaintances (my cleaner and leader for my hobby). It's those couple that really hit home for me as they didn't have to "take" my "side".

Magicmonster · 22/12/2017 08:28

Lots of food for thought here, thanks. I agree that some of the recent things he has said to me could be classed as abusive and there is no excuse for it. This is quite a recent thing though which is why I am hoping (perhaps stupidly) that it can be reversed. I guess the big issue as some have said is whether he wants to change. He loves his kids so much that if he really thought I was walking maybe he would. I think I will sign up to relate and go alone if necessary in the new year as I need to start processing the whole thing in my head and working through the options rather than sticking my head in the sand. The general grumpiness I don’t think is about me really. I think a pp may have hit the nail on the head with something like OCPD. I have looked that up online before and a lot of it seems familiar. I think he really struggles with anything being done not his way or with feeling out of control. To be fair, he does a large amount of the tidying etc himself - more than me certainly when I’m not on maternity leave - and yes, I no longer fold the towels anymore - I leave them for him. In case anyone has this vision of a man who comes home and sits there barking orders at me, it’s not really like that, as he never sits still. He spends all evening until around midnight tidying and doing various jobs (there’s not that much to do he just does everything very thoroughly with a fair amount of faffing - and he’s a bit of a hoarder so there is a lot of stuff around to sort through/tidy etc). He just doesn’t seem to appreciate that with 2 young kids you’re never going to have a constantly pristine house or that having a pristine house is so less important than a happy Home life. He is not always grumpy, he likes doing days out with the kids or going out with mates but as an example he will usually arrive home saying that someone was rude to him on the train or similar - I do sometimes wonder whether anti depressants would help, but obviously that would need to be his idea too!

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CauliflowerSqueeze · 22/12/2017 08:28

Do you know what? People can be snappy and grumpy now and again. But if you have to live with this negativity constantly it will affect you. At the root there has got to be kindness and respect. If he doesn’t have this (and really it sounds like he doesn’t) then you should not shackle yourself to him forever.

If your daughter was you, what would you advise her? Would you want her to stay?