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Looking for experiences of living with a moody husband

53 replies

Magicmonster · 21/12/2017 21:02

My husband is increasingly moody and negative. He has a superiority complex, and he is always right and everyone else is ‘incompetent’, including (often) me. He has always been this way to an extent, but it has definitely got worse over the 8 years we have been married. We now have two small children, including a baby, so I appreciate part of it probably stems from tiredness and the fact we have very little down time. However, it does not in my opinion excuse his constant criticism and negativity, much of which revolves around me ‘never doing anything properly’ (eg not emptying dishwasher in the same way he would do it, not folding towels correctly!) and not being tidy enough. I think these criticisms are unwarranted and are pretty minor issues to get so worked up about, but even if they were not, his approach to ‘dealing’ with them is creating a very negative atmosphere. He will often walk round the house huffing and puffing and tutting and muttering how I never do anything properly. If I try to talk to him about why I haven’t done something or other or question his methods he will often accuse me of shouting at him or say it’s not worth talking to me if I am going to be ‘like that’. He’s not always like this, but it’s getting more and more frequent. Lately he has also started occasionally swearing at me or telling me I’m stupid or to shut up in front of the kids, which I think is completely unacceptable. I have suggested counselling but he thinks we don’t need to go. Truthfully speaking, if we didn’t have kids I would be gone. The constant talking down to me and zapping all positivity is whittling away any respect I had for him. But we do have kids and I have seen the issues that divorce caused amongst my friends when I was young, so I don’t want to give up on the marriage unless I absolutely have to. I also know however that it’s not good for kids to grow up seeing him speak to me like that and thinking that’s how you speak to other people. Ideally therefore I don’t want to leave but want to get him to change - not a complete personality transplant as I know that’s impossible - just enough to show me some respect. I have tried talking to him about it and he always says ‘well if you weren’t so messy, etc’. I explain that even if I was messy it doesn’t excuse speaking to me like that, esp in front of the kids. He rarely ever admits he’s wrong but will sometimes improve for a day or two. And then back to his old ways. So what I am looking for is any experiences others have had, positive or negative, of trying to stay with a man like this. Or of living with a father like this, as I am keen to see things from my kids standpoint too. Thanks!

OP posts:
Magicmonster · 22/12/2017 08:30

Sorry pressed send a bit too soon - the train thing was an example of how he can have a tendency to always think other people are speaking to him rudely or acting inappropriately when the common factor in all this is him!

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WasDoingFine · 22/12/2017 08:35

Until recently l could access his accounts eg amazon as l knew the passwords. I know it was wrong to do so but it has also made me realise that his treatment of me was a conscious decision as he has purchased wonderful gifts for her. These gifts have taken time thought and effort. If I'd received them I'd have been delighted.....but l never would have.

It doesn't seem like you are ready to make the break yet but if it continues, eventually something will happen and at least then you will have peace of mind that you at least tried.

MessyBun247 · 22/12/2017 08:37

You say he loves his kids so much, if he thought you were going to walk maybe he would change.

He shouldn’t change because he would miss his kids if you left. He should change because he loves you, respects you and wants you to be happy. He should change because he wants to, because he knows he’s being a dick, because he acknowledges his behaviour is wrong.

Not because he would miss his kids.

PLEASE don’t stay where you aren’t happy just because you think it’s better for the children. If it’s shit for you, it’s also shit for them.

yearofthehorse · 22/12/2017 08:40

I was here OP. But given an ultimatum, DH visited the GP and is now on AD medication and we're back on track.

OrangeCarpet · 22/12/2017 08:45

Your DH is controlling and emotionally abusive. Men like this do not change. They get worse. Read Lundy Bancroft “Why does he do that?” If your children grow up witnessing this behaviour they will either become emotionally abusive themselves or be attracted to emotionally abusive people because it will be their normal. The younger they are when you leave him the easier it will be on them.

greenlanes · 22/12/2017 08:46

Yes for a bit. But we are now divorced. It is abusive behaviour and they do not change.

NoStraightEdges · 22/12/2017 09:09

This just doesn't sound like a partnership, a team effort or like fun. That's what I want out of my relationship and we're both clear about that. It doesn't mean we go round the house doing the salsa but it does mean that we're respectful and loving to one another.

If you don't have these things now and you want these things it's time to seriously consider exactly what you're doing. Trying to change a nasty persons behaviour is futile-the only thing you're in control of is your response to it. Flowers

sada · 22/12/2017 09:16

I've been there.
My dc said 'I don't know how you put up with it.' Sad
There is an amazing post on Mumsnet about living with an abusive man and why it is never ok.
Does it ring bells with other posters?
If so, could you link to it please
I'd love OP to read it.
It really is food for thought.
My dh became an arrogant s*it for years.
I should have left.
Then job loss and illness intervened and he mellowed.
Sadly the nasty behaviour is creeping back.

I stayed because I wasn't strong enough to go.
Hopefully you are.
Hopefully your children won't witness what mine did.

QuiteLikely5 · 22/12/2017 09:21

People rarely change.

Tell him you are thinking about walking away.

You should both be a team. He should recognise that your brain and thoughts are not an extension of his own and that you have your own priorities.

If he cannot stop projecting his issues onto you then really what is the point? He needs to appreciate you for all that you are not all that you aren’t! Because like I said people rarely change - you included

mullmepopcorn · 22/12/2017 09:47

Green tulips post is good. Tell him calmly, when there is nothing in particular wrong, that you don't like the way he behaves a lot of the time, that you are unhappy, and will not accept it any more. Say that you will work on making sure he knows when he is out of line, and that he must listen and think before he speaks. Say you hope your marriage can be saved, but you will not stay unless things change.

Better still, write it down and give it to him.
Practise saying those things constantly- light hearted, quick replies...

What did your last slave die of?
You didn't just tell me to shut up, did you?
Language, Timothy (you're probably too young to remember that).
Whose mess is it?
I never do it right, so I left it for you to do...

Etc.

stayathomegardener · 22/12/2017 09:58

He actually sounds quite unwell when you describe his evening routine, not that it justifies his treatment of you.

LunaTheCat · 22/12/2017 09:58

If this is a new and different behaviour then is it possible that he is depressed? Would he agree to go to his GP - maybe it would feel less threatening than counsellor.

Lily2007 · 22/12/2017 10:31

He does sound similar to my DH apart from the complaining about people on the train but my DH drives. I think its something like OCPD with my DH, we've been together 20 odd years, my daughter worships him, my son can take or leave him and has always tells me I should swap him for a woman or his Headmaster Blush.

It was a struggle to get my DH on ADs, he wouldn't acknowledge there was anything wrong with him but with the doctors help we managed to get him on them and agree if he's feeling annoyed he goes for a walk and no problems since. OCD can have similar symptoms but with OCD people get very anxious whereas OCPD people tend to assume they are right. Could never get doctor to diagnose it but DH himself read the list of symptoms and said that's exactly me. I don't regret staying but does make me anxious at times. He says himself the ADs help a lot and refused to lower them when doctor said to. He's always quite reluctant to spend money on himself, social skills are variable, at work he has to do everything himself so it's done to his method. I did wonder about Aspergers too as school think my son has this but don't think it is as he has quite a few friends.

Lily2007 · 22/12/2017 10:36

My DH has also taken over lots of tasks so he can have it as he wants and so he does all the shopping, cooking, most of washing up. It's generally been fine like this but very stressful periods make it flare up - very small children, work pressure but ADs have helped so much with this. He can't stop working at work either. He's very loving though and we have lovely weekends out and holidays and he's a great cook and most people have an issue or two.

keepingonrunning · 22/12/2017 10:58

He won't change. The Freedom Programme explains that people are driven by ingrained core beliefs and his include a lack of respect for you and his expectation of power and control over his spouse and children. He will likely treat his children the same in time.
You will probably recognise yourself here And if you stay, one day your children might identify with damage inflicted on their self esteem
Flowers

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bimbobaggins · 22/12/2017 11:04

He won’t change. It will only get worse. Living with a misery guts who sucks the joy out of anything is no way to live. It will affect your children.
I am speaking from experience and felt I had no way out. He did me a favour when I found out he was having an affair (which he never admitted to ) . We did separate after this

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Dozer · 22/12/2017 11:53

Rather than relate suggest someone BACP registered.

hellsbellsmelons · 22/12/2017 12:03

I do generally try to do things the way he likes and sometimes be careful how I phrase things as I like an easy life and live in hope that if I do x y z he may actually be happy
What a thoroughly sad thing to read.
Do NOT change.
By doing the above you are enabling his vile behaviour.
Do NOT put up with this shite.
Life is too short for you and your DC to have to live like this for a moment longer.
Nothing you do will be enough.
He will always be moving the goalposts.
Stop it!!!!

KatharinaRosalie · 22/12/2017 12:11

I have seen the issues that divorce caused amongst my friends when I was young - there was a long thread I think right here in relationships about children who grew up with parents (mostly dads) like your DH. They did not escape without issues either and many blamed their mothers for staying.

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thenightsky · 22/12/2017 12:35

What a sad thread. I have friend in her 60s who has been married to man like this for over 40 years. She regrets deeply not moving away from him decades ago. Don't be like my friend OP.

sada · 26/12/2017 10:53

I posted on the 22/12
On Christmas Eve my h became impossible.
Snide comments in front of dc.
Just nasty to me.
Nasty and mean.
Nothing is good enough yet he won't help out.
When Dcs aren't around he is fine. WTF ?
Spoiled our Christmas Eve.
Non verbal Christmas morning and then thawed.
The wider family circle is in a stressful situation so he should be nicer and more helpful, have more understanding.
I really thought he'd learned his lesson after his illness and job security gone.
Why does he treat the person who cares most for him so badly ?
Perhaps if I just let what he said go ?
But why should I ?
I shouldn't have to take it.
I may be in a better position soon financially and will walk out of the marriage.
Sorry, rant over.

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