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Can I ask for a hand hold? It's all gotten too much :(

71 replies

HazelnutMocha · 08/12/2017 14:37

This is going to sound really silly compared to a lot of other peoples' problems but I'm sitting here in tears trying to look after my newborn and toddler. Also apologies it is so long, it has just happened a couple of hours ago and I've not really got my head on straight.

DP has ongoing issues with depression and anxiety. We have a 3 week old son and a 2 year old daughter. He has not been medicated (well, medicated by a doctor anyway) for his depression before and started very recently on sertraline, which is making him extremely drowsy to the point of not being able to function. This has been a little difficult for me to deal with as I have to deal with the newborn and my 2 year old most of the time. Frankly it's also quite upsetting seeing him basically become a zombie version of himself. He just moves around the house literally falling asleep where he stands.

It's a few of nights in a row now that I've been doing all the waking up with the newborn and he is still waking every 2 hours or so a night. My toddler then gets up and it's all go for the rest of the day until 8pm. I'm really tired and he has a few good hours from morning til late afternoon/evening where he is normal, so yesterday and this morning I asked him if he could please grab the toddler some juice and cereal (she then settles down herself watching TV so is no hassle) and feed the baby a bottle. Yesterday was met with a bit of frustration and, I;m not sure what the right word is, sort of scepticism as to why I would need him to do that or why I might need a couple of hours of unbroken sleep.

Last night was even worse; DD was terrified of the wind and wanted me to stay in her bed with her. She was up a few times and between her and the baby I was basically up all night. At 9:30am, I asked if he could do the baby's feed when he woke up naturally and he said okay, but then handed me the milk and sat down with the laptop. I was obviously upset by this; he is showing no appreciation whatsoever for the fact that I was taking on all of the housework and childcare - it seemed really out of character. Despite his flaws I would say we are really in love and good at being considerate and thoughtful to eachother, and we are really happy in eachother's company.

I was upset, tired, hormonal, but fed and settled the baby and tried to go to sleep since DP was there with DD. I can't even remember what it was as I was so tired but he was stressing at me as I was falling asleep because he had tried to touch me or something and I had told him I was upset with him for not helping me at all with the baby. When I woke up he was being very sombre and silent with me. He was clearly annoyed that I had called him out at being IMO inconsiderate and he then gave me the cold shoulder, which he does whenever we have an altercation. I hate this, it goes on for ages with both of us being grumpy and me being extra upset and frustrated because I just want to talk about our feelings, address any issues and move on, go back to being a happy couple. He never wants to do this, he prefers to wait around silently and then eventually just start talking again. I really don't like it, but we don't come to this often.

However this morning I was at the end of my tether. I was getting more and more upset as he was making out it was his depression/treatment that was causing me to be off with him, saying I was resentful of him, when all I wanted was for him to fucking acknowledge that it would have been nice of him to let me have a couple of hours sleep and now the day is again ruined because we're going to have hours of not speaking.

I for the first time called him out on him shutting down when I'm upset about his behaviour, and he eventually (after a long time of not saying anything while I tried to have a conversation and explain that I of course wasn't mad at him because of the depression, but that it is hard to deal with the kids by myself and try and look after him too) did something I really didn't expect.

He flipped out, got up, threw my laptop, and start yelling at me at the top of his voice, calling me names, amongst them he said "You're a piece of shit, I fucking hate you" :( My 2 year old DD was pottering around us; I had my newborn son in my arms. All I can see is him towering over me and yelling like that :( He has never in our five year relationship called me a name. He has never ever said anything like "I hate you". And all in front of our little children.

Am I over reacting to feel like I can't cope with staying with him? The pain and fear he caused me by acting like that, and especially in front of my tiny children, is making me feel so sick and distressed. I always said I would never put up this kind of treatment, I'd never put up with someone calling me names or making me feel afraid, or put up with someone who was willing to act anything like this in front of my children.

We've spent so much time so loved up and talking about the future, what we will do when our kids are older, planning holidays and experiences and life plans. And it feels like with just a few words it's all come crashing down around me. The pain the thought of leaving him causes in unbearable but at the moment I can't see any way past this. It was so scary and horrible :(

I'm posting partly to ask what you would do in this situation to see if I'm hugely over reacting, partly to remind myself how much he hurt and scared me in that moment so I don't minimise it to myself later, and partly to distract myself if anyone manages to read all of it and post some replies.

OP posts:
Finola1step · 08/12/2017 14:44

There will be many wise people who can give you better advice than me, particularly in relation to anti depressants. But from what you describe, he needs to make an urgent appointment with his GP to discuss his medication.

Has he self medicated in the past?

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 08/12/2017 14:46

Oh Hazel that's awful. In front of your DD and with your newborn in your arms... just shocking.

Depression doesn't turn people into abusive arseholes... I would be asking him to find somewhere else to slob around for the next couple of days.

I don't think you need to leave (with a newborn), I think he needs to leave!

Does he have family he can stay with?

I'm not surprised you're exhausted. Do you have local friends/family who could pop over and watch the kids so you could get even a couple of hours sleep?

Kentnurse2015 · 08/12/2017 14:47

Can he stay elsewhere for a while? You both need space

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 14:47

Gosh sorry maybe when I'm less stressed out I will try to post a coherent and succinct version of this post Blush

Movablefeast · 08/12/2017 14:52

Where is he getting his medication?

You never have to endure abusive behavior. You are being so considerate of him while he is ignoring the fact you are exhausted and vulnerable with a young baby and a two yr old. You need a safe environment and stress relief.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 08/12/2017 14:52

This is not good. Where are your parents? I suggest he makes an urgent GP app today and then goes to his parents to stay. But he needs to be back at yours during the day to help based on what the GP thinks is reasonably possible

Is your mum available to stay for a bit and provide some support/respite?

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 14:53

Oh thank you for the replies already Flowers

He actually has no family. He was adopted by a horrible foster mum and has no family, blood or otherwise, to rely on. I could go to my mums but my dad is elderly and very grumpy (that sounds benign but it makes being there quite stressful for more than a day visit) and I want to stay here. He has left for now though, I have no idea what his plans are.

I didn't want to make the OP any longer but I feel like this would ruin his life, I;m so torn as to what to do. He has form for upsetting me and not wanting to address it in the past and would disappear out drinking or whatever when we were struggling for money. I thought those dark days were over and I felt it had brought us closer in the end. I keep seeing his face saying those words I just can't get it out of my mind, I'm so tired too I just wish the kids weren't here so I didn't have to put on a front either..

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 14:55

As in, he is always apologetic in his actions and we will get on again but it's like he never wants to acknowledge that is is actually him that has hurt me? I'm just so tired of worrying him, and this and him walking out has brought back all the memories of how it was in the first couple of years of our relationship where I was frequently left waiting and wondering if he was okay/would be coming back

Kentnurse2015 · 08/12/2017 14:58

He won't even acknowledge what he does? This is not good for you or your children. At all.

Can he go and stay in a hotel (Premier Inn, travel lodge etc) for a couple of nights? You both need space and he needs to go while you stay with the children

Kentnurse2015 · 08/12/2017 14:59

(Did you change your name?)

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 14:59

To answer some questions, @MoveableFeast he is getting his medication from the GP. I also agree that his depression isn't an excuse for his outburst; he has been depressed before and has never, ever, treated me like this. It's the children being witness to this that I really can't abide; I grew up with a functioning alcoholic with a volatile temper for a father and I will not inflict an unstable home life on my children. I just can't do it. But where should the line be drawn? After today, or should I forgive, get him to the doctors, and then wait to see if/when there is a next time?

He chucked my new laptop, he was really intimidating, I was holding the tiny baby but it was my DD I was more concerned for, she was upset by his shouting :(

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 15:00

Shit, I had NC'd for this thread but didn't realise it would change back Blush ah well, I don't think anyone I know IRL uses MN.

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 15:02

@Kentnurse2015 I honestly have no idea what his plans are. He came back a couple of minutes after walking out, I asked him to please go away as I was still very upset but passed him a few bits I could find. I then sent him a message saying I had put his coat and scarf on the door outside (as I could only find a jumper).

He sent me a really blunt message "Take my stuff in or whatever as I'm not going to come and get it" :(

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 15:03

Sorry I meant to say he came back asking for warm clothes as it's cold outside.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 08/12/2017 15:09

Could your Mum pop in for a couple of hours just so you can get some kip?

He's acting like an inconsiderate, selfish arsehole.

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 15:12

My mum works full time but I'm considering going round to hers and staying there despite my dad. I;m fucking fed up of men and their ways at the moment. I'm fed up of them needing pandering to and taking things out on the people who love and care for them most when things don't go right for them. I just want to be somewhere completely different. I just want my kids to not have us acting like this towards eachother. I don't want to have to leave my home. Christmas is ruined too

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 15:13

He has sent me a couple of messages, none acknowledging what happened or apologising for upsetting me so badly. He actually said, when I quoted him in response, "I don't even remember saying those words".

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 08/12/2017 15:15

Bullshit. He remembers. He's just trying to minimise his awful behaviour.

I think a night at your Mum's will do you the world of good. And it also makes his abuse 'real' if you know what I mean - if other people are aware of it he can't deny it so easily.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 08/12/2017 15:17

But don't tell him you're going to your Mum's or he'll be straight back round to your place. Let him wander around in the cold for the evening, it's supposed to snow later too. Wink

CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 15:21

Haha Halo

I think the worst think now I've calmed down a bit is the fact that he's talking to me over messenger but there is absolutely no apology or even acknowledgement that he has done anything wrong? WTAF?

ArcheryAnnie · 08/12/2017 15:23

Am just here to say that, like other people here, I don't think you are overreacting at all. He's got no business behaving as badly as that, and you shouldn't have to put up with it.

HazelnutMocha · 08/12/2017 15:23

Sorry I will try and stay with the old name so the posts come up in green if that is helpful? I know I like to see the green ones ;)

OP posts:
HermioneIsMe · 08/12/2017 15:24

He needs to go and see his GP ASAP.
It is possible that this is the effect of the medication (anger outburst made worse by the medication).

However, I’m getting the feeling that there is much more to it than that...

AdalindSchade · 08/12/2017 15:26

He's not even remorseful is he?

Getonthearkunicorn · 08/12/2017 15:26

Hi OP,
Firstly don't panic. I've had these kind of days too. I think it's great that you're asking can you cope with this, rather than wanting to fix it immediately.
Starting sertraline can be a very difficult few weeks, but it does not excuse this behaviour, obviously.
This is what I suggest, and would do/have done in this situation.

  1. call a friend, parent, neighbour, whoever. Have them come to yours and sit with the children.
  2. you tell him he needs to pack a bag and make arrangements to stay somewhere else for a couple of days.
  3. write a note. Tell him he has distressed you and you are struggling (rightly so) with a newborn and toddler. You have been understanding, but this was too far. He needs to book a GP appointment before you will even consider talking to him again. This note is for him to take with him and refer back too.
  4. I doubt he will refuse to leave with another person present, as most likely won't want to cause a scene. If he does become aggressive - verbally or physically - call 999.
  5. if you can stomach it, attend the GP appointment with him. Let them know he's completely changed and also, that you are now left to really struggle with both DC.
  6. be kind to yourself. Eat lots. Drink lots. And talk to people, don't suffer in silence, especially at a time when your hormones are raging and you've not fully recooperated yourself.

Shocking behaviour from a partner and a parent, should never happen but sadly it does and take some comfort in that you are most definitely not alone. Flowers

PM me if you need anyone to talk too. Xx